EPTMarch 18th 2013: David Kim's HotS Thoughts - Page 7
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3691 Posts
On March 19 2013 03:22 Salient wrote: PartinG, Rain, and Creator were pwnd by the new medevacs. MC did better with all ins. All ins and timing attacks are a way of avoiding the problem, not a long term solution. I'm not talking about his oracle/stalker allins. I'm talking about getting 5-6 phoenix to just shut down drop play, every game he went makro + phoenix he didn't loose anything to drops. Parting, Rain (I won't even name creator since I hate that kid so much) are all insanely good players, but none of them tried anything besides blinkers + feedback vs drops, which is obviously not a solution to the after burners. Also parting loosing to flash had very little to do with speed medivacs, and him writing imba imba at the end just shows how immature his approach to finding a solution is anyways. Plus you could also argue that due to proleague rain wasn't even able to play much hots before mlg, so no wonder he looses to something new. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12026 Posts
Not rushing to nerf anything and letting people figure out the game first <3 | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
On March 19 2013 03:34 neoghaleon55 wrote: how disappointingly boring. I feel like we're back in 2010 with 1 zerg in the top 8 and mostly terrans will dominate tournament scenes for the next few months. haha life is what mvp was for terran in 2012  | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
life is the fruitdealer of 2013...with the OP ultras and all,too! XD | ||
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LOveRH
United States88 Posts
On March 19 2013 03:08 TeeTS wrote: I don't think so, it only rarely happens that medivacs get close to dying right now. I disagree. From the games i have witness there was many times the zerg/protoss got very lucky and almost sniped a medivac at a cruel point within the game. I just feel like medivacs as a whole right now, are way too cost effective. Decreasing their hp will give players an opportunity to punish terran player's drop-play mistakes. Right now what i'm seeing is protoss/zerg get into beautiful positions to punish medivac play but the terran always gets away in the red, every time. By decreasing the hp will shorten terran's window for reacting to pulling out and time for them to do damage within a base before the army returns to defend. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On March 19 2013 03:31 Lorch wrote: I'm not talking about his oracle/stalker allins. I'm talking about getting 5-6 phoenix to just shut down drop play, every game he went makro + phoenix he didn't loose anything to drops. Parting, Rain (I won't even name creator since I hate that kid so much) are all insanely good players, but none of them tried anything besides blinkers + feedback vs drops, which is obviously not a solution to the after burners. Also parting loosing to flash had very little to do with speed medivacs, and him writing imba imba at the end just shows how immature his approach to finding a solution is anyways. Plus you could also argue that due to proleague rain wasn't even able to play much hots before mlg, so no wonder he looses to something new. I wonder what Creator did to you, that you hate him that much. ontopic: getting 5-6 phoenix sounds good first, but the dps is way too low to kill medivacs before they got to drop out their load. And after investing that heavily into them, you may not have enough to deal with the marines. I haven't seen it being tested, but that are concerns I would have with this strategy. If you have good experiences with that strategy, then others should give it a try too. | ||
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quebecman77
Canada133 Posts
the game out since less that ONE WEEK!! can you get that in your brain ?? why the game would need any nerf anywhere after this much litle time ?? you realy think you are that amazing for know thing like ''medivac need a litle nerf or they are litle to much powerfull '' well excuse me , but most people here are a bunch of newbie who dont even know what strong or good or what balanced. you guy just see the BEST of the best korean owning some foreigner at a tournament and cry ''imba'' imba'' while the korean pro gamer protoss were doing damn fine vs these drop , and anyway nothing would have change if they did die like noob vs them , they are ''NEW'' you need practice vs them , learn how to counter them and so on . stop with your nerf nonsence and learn how to play ( yes strangely this game a rts game , where you need understand build , counter and so on , when something new come out , you need to LEARN something again , crazy right ??? ). again , MEDIVAC are fine , mine are fine . learn the game , stop whine , thx very much | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
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NeonFlare
Finland1307 Posts
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Cocoba
Canada352 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3484 Posts
But I think this pigeon-holes the number of strategies available, just because Medivacs and Oracles would be way surperior to each other unit. | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
On March 19 2013 03:31 Lorch wrote: I'm not talking about his oracle/stalker allins. I'm talking about getting 5-6 phoenix to just shut down drop play, every game he went makro + phoenix he didn't loose anything to drops. Parting, Rain (I won't even name creator since I hate that kid so much) are all insanely good players, but none of them tried anything besides blinkers + feedback vs drops, which is obviously not a solution to the after burners. Also parting loosing to flash had very little to do with speed medivacs, and him writing imba imba at the end just shows how immature his approach to finding a solution is anyways. Plus you could also argue that due to proleague rain wasn't even able to play much hots before mlg, so no wonder he looses to something new. MC did that against Bogus in game 3, and didn't lose anything to drops, but just died to a straight up push, because Stargate+Phoenix delay tech and expansion timings. That's why you didn't see a lot of Stargate openings in PvT in WoL, While Oracles may change this somewhat, thus far they seem better at all-ins than actual harassment. I guess that's part of the problem with Protoss, every effective harassment tool is even better in a Warpgate all-in. | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On March 19 2013 01:39 peidongyang wrote: How are Mexicans in tvp fun when it basically forces toss to 1 base allin or never to move out and just die? Edit medivacs stupid autocorrect oh god this is hilarious and yeah i agree, no one is even playing hots style, at best it's a WoL + some mix of units maybe, only MC's PvT looks new | ||
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psychotics
United States184 Posts
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striderxxx
Canada443 Posts
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snakeeyez
United States1231 Posts
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askmc70
United States722 Posts
On March 19 2013 03:39 quebecman77 wrote: find this sc2 community so bad honestly , some noob see the top korean terran owning some poor foreigner after the game out since less that one week , and cry MEDIVAC OP ..... what a joke . the game out since less that ONE WEEK!! can you get that in your brain ?? why the game would need any nerf anywhere after this much litle time ?? you realy think you are that amazing for know thing like ''medivac need a litle nerf or they are litle to much powerfull '' well excuse me , but most people here are a bunch of newbie who dont even know what strong or good or what balanced. you guy just see the BEST of the best korean owning some foreigner at a tournament and cry ''imba'' imba'' while the korean pro gamer protoss were doing damn fine vs these drop , and anyway nothing would have change if they did die like noob vs them , they are ''NEW'' you need practice vs them , learn how to counter them and so on . stop with your nerf nonsence and learn how to play ( yes strangely this game a rts game , where you need understand build , counter and so on , when something new come out , you need to LEARN something again , crazy right ??? ). again , MEDIVAC are fine , mine are fine . learn the game , stop whine , thx very much Fix your grammar please, and also the medivacs have been out since beta. | ||
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i)awn
United States189 Posts
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