EPTOther than that, a nice read for the general audience..
For Pros, Heart of the Swarm Means Fear of Failure - Page 3
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EngrishTeacher
Canada1109 Posts
Other than that, a nice read for the general audience.. | ||
Waxangel
United States33643 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 13 2013 23:14 EngrishTeacher wrote: I find it highly amusing that it's Incontrol of all people who's talking about staying competitive and relevant in the scene. Other than that, a nice read for the general audience.. Like Artosis, who couldn’t qualify for code A, but is still more relevant that may professional players? I find it amusing that most people think Incontrol isn’t qualified to talk about staying competitive, since he has been a competitive weight lifter and football player before his time in SC2. | ||
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ZeroCartin
Costa Rica2390 Posts
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Ravensong170
United States858 Posts
Article: Composed mainly of North American players, ROOT Gaming has never been able to compete consistently against the top South Korean players that dominate the sport. But Heart of the Swarm could be an opportunity for smaller teams to make a move up the totem pole. On March 13 2013 21:41 shadymmj wrote: It's a well written article, but I disagree with some of the points. For one, no, ROOT gaming will not have a ghost of a chance with their current lineup. Or any foreign team for that matter. Root did beat FXO in the IPTL, people seem to forget this. That's FXO the GSTL champion team. Sage played like an absolute BEAST and he continues to impress. Also Leiya and Yugioh played very well, especially Yugioh beating leenock. So yea they (probably ) aren't gonna win the GSTL or any team league with Korean teams, but they aren't going to be rolfstomped either.People have so much hate for the NA/EU scene, in either Dota or SC2 and only point out failings. people need to relax and just enjoy e-sports on a whole instead of hating on foreigners/koreans | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 13 2013 23:24 Ravensong170 wrote: Root did beat FXO in the IPTL, people seem to forget this. That's FXO the GSTL champion team. Sage played like an absolute BEAST and he continues to impress. Also Leiya and Yugioh played very well, especially Yugioh beating leenock. So yea they (probably ) aren't gonna win the GSTL or any team league with Korean teams, but they aren't going to be rolfstomped either.People have so much hate for the NA/EU scene, in either Dota or SC2 and only point out failings. people need to relax and just enjoy e-sports on a whole instead of hating on foreigners/koreans Hating on NA/EU is a problem that in unique to SC2 and I would almost say that it is most prevalent on TL. LoL has none of these problems, even though the Korean and Chinese teams are arguably more skilled that NA/EU ones. I see way less of it in Dota2 as well. Really, the community puts a lot of burden for NA/EU players to beat Korean players, rather than compete against each other, which sets the bar at a slightly unrealistic level. It is a problem we create for ourselves, but we do keep hearing that folks like MLG and NASL are working on ways to grown the NA/EU scene | ||
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Prime Directive
United States186 Posts
On March 13 2013 05:08 Tenks wrote: If that Flash vs Life game is any indication on the multi tasking and skill required for Zerg in HOTS I weep for foreigners Is there a place to watch the VOD of this game? | ||
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FatNikE
United Kingdom52 Posts
On March 13 2013 05:12 ZenithM wrote: It's really nice that for now the gap between third rate players and top end gosus seem to have widened hugely. No more of this "Xlord 5-0 Code S Terrans" nonsense :D I can't help but agree. I'm hopeful that (if blizzard ignores the whiners and newbies and leaves skill-ceiling increasing abilities like ignite afterburners alone) we won't have this XlorD, vortix, etc problem in HoTS. Naniwa, nerchio, Kas, Ret etc will still all be good but hopefully these 1 month heroes will disappear. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19367 Posts
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namste
Finland2292 Posts
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TimENT
United States1425 Posts
On March 14 2013 01:03 FatNikE wrote: I can't help but agree. I'm hopeful that (if blizzard ignores the whiners and newbies and leaves skill-ceiling increasing abilities like ignite afterburners alone) we won't have this XlorD, vortix, etc problem in HoTS. Naniwa, nerchio, Kas, Ret etc will still all be good but hopefully these 1 month heroes will disappear. Vortix is actually really good. Not in the same category as other patch zergs such as xlord. As for this article- yes foreigners are fucked. HotS is going to separate the players so much. In a year we will see Kespa players (plus ~5 esf players) >>>>>>>> esf players (plus ~5 foreigners) >>>>>> foreigners. The level of play is about to shoot throug the roof because of players like Flash, Life, Rain, Innovation, Fantasy, etc | ||
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NubainMuscle
South Africa423 Posts
On March 13 2013 23:41 Plansix wrote: Hating on NA/EU is a problem that in unique to SC2 and I would almost say that it is most prevalent on TL. LoL has none of these problems, even though the Korean and Chinese teams are arguably more skilled that NA/EU ones. I see way less of it in Dota2 as well. Really, the community puts a lot of burden for NA/EU players to beat Korean players, rather than compete against each other, which sets the bar at a slightly unrealistic level. It is a problem we create for ourselves, but we do keep hearing that folks like MLG and NASL are working on ways to grown the NA/EU scene This was the case with Broodwar as well. NA was separated into USWest and USEast. USEast (my region) was particularly hated and ridiculed for the relative lack of skill, abundant hacking and flagrant BM. Channels like clan x17 are still notorious to this day. | ||
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NIJ
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StarStruck
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It is pretty funny when you hear it coming from him. How our definitions of pro players have changed. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19367 Posts
On March 14 2013 06:05 StarStruck wrote: It is pretty funny when you hear it coming from him. How our definitions of pro players have changed. Well he does a good job of making himself relevant regardless of tournament results. So no matter what the state of SC is he should always be fine if anybody. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On March 14 2013 06:05 StarStruck wrote: It is pretty funny when you hear it coming from him. How our definitions of pro players have changed. Will he ever win a GSL? No. Neither will Stephano. Would you consider Stephano not a pro? + Show Spoiler + I know it's a... ![[image loading]](http://loveforlife.com.au/files/strawman2.jpg) But the point remains the same, the number of tournament victories you have is not what defines you as a pro player or not. | ||
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xwoGworwaTsx
United States984 Posts
We make our money solely off of how successful we are and how much attention we get,” said Evil Geniuses captain Robinson So since incontrol had, has, and will have no chance to be remotely successful in sctarcraft, his best chance at making money is by getting attention. I feel sad for him but hey, whatever puts food on the table, especially now that he is starting a family and it would be unfortunate to see people like him starve or something. Certainly the skill gap that HOTS will force on high-level players and random journeymen like incontrol will have massive repercussions on their jobs. | ||
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Patate
Canada441 Posts
On March 13 2013 03:49 ScienceGroen wrote: [/i]“We make our money solely off of how successful we are and how much attention we get,” said Evil Geniuses captain Robinson. “If something challenges either, or both in this case, because of change or the need for adaptation then we are very afraid.” Well this is half right... the "how succesful we are" part is wrong. Being successful CAN lead to attention, but it is not always the case. The opposite is also true, some players have had no success at all, but still get some attention so they stay in the "pro-scene"... I'll let you guess the best example of it.. and you don't have to look very far! The SC2 scene is still very rudimentary: Events give out prize money which are probably calculated as such : "Sponsor money - event expenses = prize money", and players' salary are the tournaments' money. Compare this to BW KESPA's model where salaries were predominant, and players mostly fought for the fame... you know, just like real Sport. "B-but... k-kespa still has that model... no?" Well yes, because they are living off sponsor contracts from the BW era. Give it a year or so, and Starcraft Kespa will go broke because SC2 in Korea is irrelevant and do not have the audience of the BW era. tldr ; SC2 model is like online poker, Kespa BW was like Sports. | ||
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Patate
Canada441 Posts
On March 15 2013 01:23 Thieving Magpie wrote: Will he ever win a GSL? No. Neither will Stephano. Would you consider Stephano not a pro? + Show Spoiler + I know it's a... But the point remains the same, the number of tournament victories you have is not what defines you as a pro player or not. This is a terrible answer.. how can you compare one of the best , if not the best Foreigner, who won multiple events with koreans to a guy that constantly gets destroyed on the ladder by mid-high masters? You could say a PRO is about making a living off the game.. but don't talk about GSL please. Less than 10 people have won the GSL, and the runner-ups or other events' winners are not to be considered the same level as a High-Master, low GM skill level protoss player. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32749 Posts
On March 13 2013 23:24 Ravensong170 wrote: Root did beat FXO in the IPTL, people seem to forget this. That's FXO the GSTL champion team. Sage played like an absolute BEAST and he continues to impress. Also Leiya and Yugioh played very well, especially Yugioh beating leenock. So yea they (probably ) aren't gonna win the GSTL or any team league with Korean teams, but they aren't going to be rolfstomped either.People have so much hate for the NA/EU scene, in either Dota or SC2 and only point out failings. people need to relax and just enjoy e-sports on a whole instead of hating on foreigners/koreans Thing is, is that the ROOT Koreans did most of the work in that series, and the article pertains to foreigners. Even if a foreign team was held up by its Koreans, it still means the foreigners aren't too successful while the Koreans are continuing the trend of domination. | ||
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