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On March 10 2013 03:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 02:06 caelym wrote:On March 09 2013 17:05 PeachTea wrote:
pretty interesting. Really enjoyed hearing sundance's thoughts. Is it me, or it is hard to listen to Mike Morhaime. It seems that everyone else has a real grasp on their knowledge about esports and how their companies relate to it except for him. I'm with you. He looked uncomfortable, and his responses were generic. its because their year long WCS thing from 2012 that was the most they've ever committed to eSports was a financial blood bath. and Mike had a hard time lying about that. so he said nothing.
mike has never been well outspoken in several other things that were truly successful. Hes mostly the guy that is like look how awesome this is and shows an awesome video at every blizzcon.
Sundance always has this perspective that things need to be bigger and exclusive, while ignoring non major team esports, Why i dont like him to much as a competitor that likes competing in larger live events. And how 2013 is seeing the collapse of all open major tournaments in NA. Esport live events are just getting dull to me never dropping a map every tournament I travel to, but never being able to take it to the next level.
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On March 10 2013 03:34 KiF1rE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 03:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2013 02:06 caelym wrote:On March 09 2013 17:05 PeachTea wrote:
pretty interesting. Really enjoyed hearing sundance's thoughts. Is it me, or it is hard to listen to Mike Morhaime. It seems that everyone else has a real grasp on their knowledge about esports and how their companies relate to it except for him. I'm with you. He looked uncomfortable, and his responses were generic. its because their year long WCS thing from 2012 that was the most they've ever committed to eSports was a financial blood bath. and Mike had a hard time lying about that. so he said nothing. mike has never been well outspoken in several other things that were truly successful. Hes mostly the guy that is like look how awesome this is and shows an awesome video at every blizzcon. Sundance always has this perspective that things need to be bigger and exclusive, while ignoring non major team esports, Why i dont like him to much as a competitor that likes competing in larger live events. And how 2013 is seeing the collapse of all open major tournaments in NA. Esport live events are just getting dull to me never dropping a map every tournament I travel to, but never being able to take it to the next level.
Mike sure spoke up when Chris Sigaty was saying that no one expected WoW to do any where nearly as well as it did.
and know that the "Blizzard Retrospective" is basically Morhaime's personal take on the company.
so he knows how to express his pride.
not 1 hard financial metric from Morhaime ever regarding eSports... to quote Sundance Digiovanni 2 days before IPL6 was cancelled.. the silence is deafening.
if there were something to brag about financially ... believe me .. the first thing Morhaime would do is bring it up during an ATVI investor call.
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On March 10 2013 04:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 03:34 KiF1rE wrote:On March 10 2013 03:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2013 02:06 caelym wrote:On March 09 2013 17:05 PeachTea wrote:
pretty interesting. Really enjoyed hearing sundance's thoughts. Is it me, or it is hard to listen to Mike Morhaime. It seems that everyone else has a real grasp on their knowledge about esports and how their companies relate to it except for him. I'm with you. He looked uncomfortable, and his responses were generic. its because their year long WCS thing from 2012 that was the most they've ever committed to eSports was a financial blood bath. and Mike had a hard time lying about that. so he said nothing. mike has never been well outspoken in several other things that were truly successful. Hes mostly the guy that is like look how awesome this is and shows an awesome video at every blizzcon. Sundance always has this perspective that things need to be bigger and exclusive, while ignoring non major team esports, Why i dont like him to much as a competitor that likes competing in larger live events. And how 2013 is seeing the collapse of all open major tournaments in NA. Esport live events are just getting dull to me never dropping a map every tournament I travel to, but never being able to take it to the next level. Mike sure spoke up when Chris Sigaty was saying that no one expected WoW to do any where nearly as well as it did. and know that the "Blizzard Retrospective" is basically Morhaime's personal take on the company. so he knows how to express his pride. not 1 hard financial metric from Morhaime ever regarding eSports... to quote Sundance Digiovanni 2 days before IPL6 was cancelled.. the silence is deafening. if there were something to brag about financially ... believe me .. the first thing Morhaime would do is bring it up during an ATVI investor call.
eSports has always been under the marketing wing of developers. It's a cost center. Events themselves are not intended to generate revenue directly.
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I'll be taking the time tonight to get a timestamped breakdown of what's discussed.
looking foward to it (lazy to watch all the video)
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On March 10 2013 07:30 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 04:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2013 03:34 KiF1rE wrote:On March 10 2013 03:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2013 02:06 caelym wrote:On March 09 2013 17:05 PeachTea wrote:
pretty interesting. Really enjoyed hearing sundance's thoughts. Is it me, or it is hard to listen to Mike Morhaime. It seems that everyone else has a real grasp on their knowledge about esports and how their companies relate to it except for him. I'm with you. He looked uncomfortable, and his responses were generic. its because their year long WCS thing from 2012 that was the most they've ever committed to eSports was a financial blood bath. and Mike had a hard time lying about that. so he said nothing. mike has never been well outspoken in several other things that were truly successful. Hes mostly the guy that is like look how awesome this is and shows an awesome video at every blizzcon. Sundance always has this perspective that things need to be bigger and exclusive, while ignoring non major team esports, Why i dont like him to much as a competitor that likes competing in larger live events. And how 2013 is seeing the collapse of all open major tournaments in NA. Esport live events are just getting dull to me never dropping a map every tournament I travel to, but never being able to take it to the next level. Mike sure spoke up when Chris Sigaty was saying that no one expected WoW to do any where nearly as well as it did. and know that the "Blizzard Retrospective" is basically Morhaime's personal take on the company. so he knows how to express his pride. not 1 hard financial metric from Morhaime ever regarding eSports... to quote Sundance Digiovanni 2 days before IPL6 was cancelled.. the silence is deafening. if there were something to brag about financially ... believe me .. the first thing Morhaime would do is bring it up during an ATVI investor call. eSports has always been under the marketing wing of developers. It's a cost center. Events themselves are not intended to generate revenue directly.
sorry what? 'esports' has never always been under the marketing wing of developers, take CS and BW as an example, only recently have they started supporting their own games.
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Is there a video for the old conference last year?
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On March 10 2013 03:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 02:06 caelym wrote:On March 09 2013 17:05 PeachTea wrote:
pretty interesting. Really enjoyed hearing sundance's thoughts. Is it me, or it is hard to listen to Mike Morhaime. It seems that everyone else has a real grasp on their knowledge about esports and how their companies relate to it except for him. I'm with you. He looked uncomfortable, and his responses were generic. its because their year long WCS thing from 2012 that was the most they've ever committed to eSports was a financial blood bath. and Mike had a hard time lying about that. so he said nothing. As I've already stated look for SC2 to have less big time events and over all less prize money in 2013 than in 2012. And again , that isn't something to brag about. All the other guys had these giant "growth numbers" to talk about that did not include Starcraft. OFFICIAL DISCLAIMER: i am not saying Starcraft is dying. Blizzard will continue to make hundreds of millions of dollars off of the Starcraft IP in the foreseeable future. It'll be by selling copies of the game... not via "esports".
financial blood bath? what the fuck? It was marketing dollars. Blizzard didnt run that tournament to make money. Thats why they paid different organizations to run it.
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it's comforting to know that MLG is headed by a guy who knows his shit
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Yeah Sundance was definitely on the ball. Good for him, I'm glad he's around.
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this was actually amazing.
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The problem here is money. This talk is hammering home growth growth growth, and in terms of viewership that appears to be the case, but where's the money? IPL folds on the eve of a giant event. Korean SC2 teams can't afford to pay their players a salary. There needs to be a better way to turn the viewers into dollars for this to be as sustainable as the panel is just assuming it is going to be.
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On March 10 2013 14:18 negativedge wrote:
The problem here is money. This talk is hammering home growth growth growth, and in terms of viewership that appears to be the case, but where's the money? IPL folds on the eve of a giant event. Korean SC2 teams can't afford to pay their players a salary. There needs to be a better way to turn the viewers into dollars for this to be as sustainable as the panel is just assuming it is going to be.
IPL closing its doors had more to do with IGN getting a new boss with a different perspective on where to take the company.
IGN also closed down their sites 1UP,GAMESPY,UGO and laid off many employees not related to their esport brand.
IPL also ran League of Legends , lets not forget that... Anyone blaming sc2 directly is delusional.
quote from new owner of ign
"Our goal is to do fewer things and to do them exceptionally well," reads an internal memo from Ziff Davis CEO Vivek Shan. "In that vein, we want to direct all of our energy and work behind our two flagship brands: IGN and AskMen."
Read more at http://www.destructoid.com/ign-staff-laid-off-1up-gamespy-and-ugo-to-shutter-246269.phtml#JmPu0OWpTxmCwXVw.99
In regards to korean sc2 teams, What about the kespa teams? they play sc2 .. They are paid a salary.. Kespa are the real teams in korea, the rest are living off borrowed time .. the only one in a solid position is team IM and maybe MVP.
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What about the kespa teams? they play sc2 .. They are paid a salary.. Kespa are the real teams in korea, the rest are living off borrowed time .. the only one in a solid position is team IM and maybe MVP.
Well, why should the other teams be "living off borrowed time?" MKP is probably the second most popular player in the world (behind Stephano), and yet you are telling me his team doesn't even deserve to exist? That's a problem, not an inevitable reality. The popularity needs to translate. That's what I'm talking about. And don't forget that the Kespa teams are in the situation they are in specifically because of how popular Brood War was from about 02 to 09. Is that sustainable if SC2 doesn't grab the Korean audience to that same degree? If not, then the Kespa teams are paper tigers. And considering we've seen Estro, Oz, MBC, Fox, and Ace fold in the last few years, well, just maaaaaybe the Kespa teams aren't as ironclad as you are implying.
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Sundance and Kevin Lin were really the focal points of this conference. They really made it seem like Morhaime and Morey had nothing to do there.
Those 2 had all the answers and talked extremely professionally and fluently.
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Awesome Rob. Thanks for putting this together. Great info and discussions!
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I like how literally nobody seems to be aware that the IPL was the smallest casualty for IGN, the website recently got sold and a fuckton of it's operations were closed and plenty of people lost their jobs.
Do try and make an educated statement instead of "HURR IPL CLOSED BECUZ MONIE" it closed down everything of it including LoL.
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On March 10 2013 07:51 MarkCJ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 07:30 c0ldfusion wrote:On March 10 2013 04:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2013 03:34 KiF1rE wrote:On March 10 2013 03:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2013 02:06 caelym wrote:On March 09 2013 17:05 PeachTea wrote:
pretty interesting. Really enjoyed hearing sundance's thoughts. Is it me, or it is hard to listen to Mike Morhaime. It seems that everyone else has a real grasp on their knowledge about esports and how their companies relate to it except for him. I'm with you. He looked uncomfortable, and his responses were generic. its because their year long WCS thing from 2012 that was the most they've ever committed to eSports was a financial blood bath. and Mike had a hard time lying about that. so he said nothing. mike has never been well outspoken in several other things that were truly successful. Hes mostly the guy that is like look how awesome this is and shows an awesome video at every blizzcon. Sundance always has this perspective that things need to be bigger and exclusive, while ignoring non major team esports, Why i dont like him to much as a competitor that likes competing in larger live events. And how 2013 is seeing the collapse of all open major tournaments in NA. Esport live events are just getting dull to me never dropping a map every tournament I travel to, but never being able to take it to the next level. Mike sure spoke up when Chris Sigaty was saying that no one expected WoW to do any where nearly as well as it did. and know that the "Blizzard Retrospective" is basically Morhaime's personal take on the company. so he knows how to express his pride. not 1 hard financial metric from Morhaime ever regarding eSports... to quote Sundance Digiovanni 2 days before IPL6 was cancelled.. the silence is deafening. if there were something to brag about financially ... believe me .. the first thing Morhaime would do is bring it up during an ATVI investor call. eSports has always been under the marketing wing of developers. It's a cost center. Events themselves are not intended to generate revenue directly. sorry what? 'esports' has nevertheless always been under the marketing wing of developers, take CS and BW as an example, only recently have they started supporting their own games.
I don't think he is saying E-sports is only supported by the marketing wing. What he is saying is that WHEN developers themselves host their own tournaments (WCS, TI2, LCS, etc). The cost is from their marketing budget. Think of it as a long commercial. They get the money back not from tickets or stream numbers/sponsors like MLG, IPL, etc. But rather from game sales and in game purchase. So a 'financial bloodbath' on the event itself isn't relevant.
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Challenges on esports going forward: let the adults handle the commercial and managerial part of esports while the young focus on playing their best and bringing good games. Similar to the KeSPA model.
Rather than the western model where everyone does a little bit of everything - a more chaotic and disorganized approach.
And what Morhaime and the basketball guy said that too much content is bad. More cooperation and integration of tournaments into leagues like GSL, less 1 time tournament events.
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What's clear after watching this discussion is that we are pre-ground floor on this movement, and that if you want in on any aspect of "eSports", whether that be as a player, team, league, caster/personality, etc, there is plenty of room for you in any space.
All that's left now is a decision on which part you want to play. These are exciting times, people!
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