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Last weekend I was fortunate enough to be able to moderate another eSports panel at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytical conference in Boston. The conference itself is founded by Houston Rockets General Manager Daryl Morey, who is a huge fan of eSports himself. He helped put on the first eSports panel last year with Sundance, Alex Garfield, Day9, Mike Morhaime, and Tosspot moderating.
This year Morey himself was a panelist, along with Morhaime and Sundance again, and TwitchTV COO Kevin Lin stepping in, with myself as the moderator. The panel was focused on the growth of the past year, where we currently stand, and what the future may hold on a variety of different topics from each a developer, league, team, and technology/streaming standpoint. I tried my best to get the player's POV (who may be the most important), but there were no pro's on the panel.
We only had an hour to go through questions, so I apologize that many things were left out, and if I had to jump topics a bit too much.
I'll be taking the time tonight to get a timestamped breakdown of what's discussed.
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I wish there was more time so that the topic transitions were smoother and so that the Q&A would have actually manifested.
Oh well.
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Around the 10 minute mark: MM says that Blizzard has a role to play in promoting e-sports and the sc2 universe  Good. GOOD. DO IT!
He's also not as good an orator as I would have expected. Oh well.
(The) Slasher, excellent moderating!
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Holy....this is awesome, didn't know about it at all :O
MIT Sloan Sports Analytical Conference...that just sounds awesome. So awesome that Sloan would actually have a conference to discuss esports and what have you. So sexy.
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Looks so cool! Really nice job :D
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Daryl Morey <3 GM for my Rockets
For anyone who doesn't know, as far as General Managers for professional teams go, Daryl Morey is a regarded as a genius.
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dude that is so fucking awesome that the houston rockets GM is a fan of esports
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Not surprised that Daryl Morey is interested in e-sports (he's one of the most forward thinking GMs in all of mainstream US sports in terms of analytics and technology). Cool talk!
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Hmmm. Pretty cool. Slasher moderating :/
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Even more respect for Daryl Morey! One of the best GM in the NBA!! =)
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On March 09 2013 12:04 kochanfe wrote:
Hmmm. Pretty cool. Slasher moderating :/
What can I do for you, sir?
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On March 09 2013 11:06 KanoCoke wrote:
I wish there was more time so that the topic transitions were smoother and so that the Q&A would have actually manifested.
Oh well.
Yeah this was the most difficult part. I originally had 30-40 questions which we then cut down after talking amongst ourselves to about 10-15. And as you can see, even that is too many to cover a wide range of topics. Plus I'd rather ask followup questions to points made while in discussion rather than just go down the list.
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On March 09 2013 12:10 Slasher wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 12:04 kochanfe wrote:
Hmmm. Pretty cool. Slasher moderating :/ What can I do for you, sir?
Change your name to "The Slasher", p[le]ase!
But no, it was kinda cool. Definitely wish you guys had more time. *shrug*
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Sweet! I love to see this kind of discussion take place
It lends a sense of legitimacy to the entire scene.
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The main things I got from this:
- we are still growing (doubling) and expanding demographically
- we can already compete with some sports and their TV numbers; moreover, they are aging and narrowing, whereas we are broadening and setting the future
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Well done (The) Slasher! It seemed like the panelists were able to answer each question separately, without a lot of rambling on and misguided discussion. I felt like each of the panelists was able to bring a unique perspective, and had a different answer for each question.
I'd love to see a panel of all the major developers in eSports. I want to see when Capcom became aware of serious competition in Japan and then in the US. I want to hear the same question put to iD, Valve, Blizzard, and Riot. I want to know if they set out to create games that could be played over such an incredibly long skill curve with no apparent skill ceiling, and I want to know how that has influenced their development of current and future games that are eSports. (yes I just called Capcom fighting games eSports)
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This was really fun to watch, gonna share this video with my skeptical friends / family !
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On March 09 2013 15:10 Kreggar wrote:
Well done (The) Slasher! It seemed like the panelists were able to answer each question separately, without a lot of rambling on and misguided discussion. I felt like each of the panelists was able to bring a unique perspective, and had a different answer for each question.
I'd love to see a panel of all the major developers in eSports. I want to see when Capcom became aware of serious competition in Japan and then in the US. I want to hear the same question put to iD, Valve, Blizzard, and Riot. I want to know if they set out to create games that could be played over such an incredibly long skill curve with no apparent skill ceiling, and I want to know how that has influenced their development of current and future games that are eSports. (yes I just called Capcom fighting games eSports)
Dunno, probably when they saw all the Evolution tournaments in the USA and the Super Battle Opera ones in Japan. When they noticed people were still playing 10 year old games in a competitive and undying scene or something like that. That was around 2007 or so 'cause they developed SF4 in 2008, iirc.
I'd like to know how everyone feels about DRM and how they can manage it while not killing eSportS. I'd also like to know how that host girl got into the MIT, lol.
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Sundance is very, very good at talking about this to people who don't speak our language. This is great
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That hour went by really fast. Good stuff, sundance really took hold of the discussion.
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pretty interesting. Really enjoyed hearing sundance's thoughts. Is it me, or it is hard to listen to Mike Morhaime. It seems that everyone else has a real grasp on their knowledge about esports and how their companies relate to it except for him.
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On March 09 2013 15:25 Olex wrote:
Sundance is very, very good at talking.
This was well established for me at least ages back.
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On March 09 2013 17:05 PeachTea wrote:
pretty interesting. Really enjoyed hearing sundance's thoughts. Is it me, or it is hard to listen to Mike Morhaime. It seems that everyone else has a real grasp on their knowledge about esports and how their companies relate to it except for him.
yea, it seemed he was less prepared, but i really dont blame him. His job requires him to be involved with everything that blizzard does, so d3/wow/business bullshit related stuff that has nothing to do with esports. I don't think a majority of his time goes into the esports side, so i dont expect him to know all the specific details involved with that. I would have rather had dustin browder or someone else from the sc2 team to be there, they would know the subject much more than mike morhaime.
That being said, im not saying that he doesnt care about esports; how could he have the time to dedicate to esports especially since hes the CEO of blizzard.
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On March 09 2013 17:11 recklessfire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 17:05 PeachTea wrote:
pretty interesting. Really enjoyed hearing sundance's thoughts. Is it me, or it is hard to listen to Mike Morhaime. It seems that everyone else has a real grasp on their knowledge about esports and how their companies relate to it except for him. yea, it seemed he was less prepared, but i really dont blame him. His job requires him to be involved with everything that blizzard does, so d3/wow/business bullshit related stuff that has nothing to do with esports. I don't think a majority of his time goes into the esports side, so i dont expect him to know all the specific details involved with that. I would have rather had dustin browder or someone else from the sc2 team to be there, they would know the subject much more than mike morhaime. That being said, im not saying that he doesnt care about esports; how could he have the time to dedicate to esports especially since hes the CEO of blizzard.
Pretty much this. Problem is that Mike Morhaime has so much stuff to deal with that he has no other option than to operate on a more general level compared to the others who's only job is to work specifically on Esports. And with that said he prolly knows allot about Esports it's just that the particular perspective of it that was being discussed wasn't the side of Esports he normally deals with as a Blizzard CEO.
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It was pretty funny watching the Rockies manager just be like errrr what >_> to some of the questions, he doesn't seem to have a very good grasp on business. When the Twitch COO explained to him in detail about a couple of the questions he was just kind of gave a dumb look.
I'd love to hear a longer panel/conservatory just from Sundance himself about the specifics of the business aspect. I doubt he would do it for a few years when the share is more stable and he has more time to do that kind of thing.
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good show, really handy information for my presation on esports lol^^
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very impressed, nice work slasher
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How can you not love Sundance? So handsome, so well spoken <3
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On March 09 2013 17:05 PeachTea wrote:
pretty interesting. Really enjoyed hearing sundance's thoughts. Is it me, or it is hard to listen to Mike Morhaime. It seems that everyone else has a real grasp on their knowledge about esports and how their companies relate to it except for him.
I'm with you. He looked uncomfortable, and his responses were generic.
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On March 10 2013 02:06 caelym wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 17:05 PeachTea wrote:
pretty interesting. Really enjoyed hearing sundance's thoughts. Is it me, or it is hard to listen to Mike Morhaime. It seems that everyone else has a real grasp on their knowledge about esports and how their companies relate to it except for him. I'm with you. He looked uncomfortable, and his responses were generic.
Agree, i think when he talks he talks like the CEO of Blizzard to a global audience of costumers + investors and not as Mike Morhaime himself personal about eSports and his interpretation of it etc..
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On March 09 2013 17:05 PeachTea wrote:
pretty interesting. Really enjoyed hearing sundance's thoughts. Is it me, or it is hard to listen to Mike Morhaime. It seems that everyone else has a real grasp on their knowledge about esports and how their companies relate to it except for him.
Well he is the CEO of Blizzard so i was honestly surprised he was there at all. He has so much stuff to do that i doubt he has time for Esports except maybe in his free time.
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The girl in the introduction should talk a little bit slower and don't hold some card ;p you can memorize all that stuff easily.
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I feel like dustin browder would have been the guy to bring along for blizzard, I feel he could convey the message a little better, but oh well, Sundance carried it quite well.
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soo cool. I hope eSports eventually goes mainstream.
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I wonder if this means Daryl Morey will be more vested in eSports. That'll be a big push towards going mainstream.
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Damn, that video so hard to watch ;_; its like 240p on 720 ;_;
Might see if there is another way
A note needed btw, when your asking a question or starting a discussion, ask it to someone directly, then say "moving down the line after" to get other peoples points. The pauses in between questions makes it pretty silly where everyone looks at each other and says ermmm ill go. Or engage them more when their answer your question and say "what about your view on this x"
^_^ just nitpicking at the discussion/panel style
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I'm very impressed with Sundance's level of knowledge on traditional sports. This man is a marketing machine.
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On March 10 2013 02:06 caelym wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 17:05 PeachTea wrote:
pretty interesting. Really enjoyed hearing sundance's thoughts. Is it me, or it is hard to listen to Mike Morhaime. It seems that everyone else has a real grasp on their knowledge about esports and how their companies relate to it except for him. I'm with you. He looked uncomfortable, and his responses were generic.
its because their year long WCS thing from 2012 that was the most they've ever committed to eSports was a financial blood bath.
and Mike had a hard time lying about that. so he said nothing.
As I've already stated look for SC2 to have less big time events and over all less prize money in 2013 than in 2012.
And again , that isn't something to brag about.
All the other guys had these giant "growth numbers" to talk about that did not include Starcraft.
OFFICIAL DISCLAIMER: i am not saying Starcraft is dying. Blizzard will continue to make hundreds of millions of dollars off of the Starcraft IP in the foreseeable future. It'll be by selling copies of the game... not via "esports".
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I actually really enjoyed this, i thought slasher did a really good job moderating and i was really happy to hear everyone speak. I feel really fortunate to have someone like sundance on the forefront for this community, he really knows his shit and says it with good confidence and presentation. The guy on the far right was EXTREMELY interesting to watch, i didn't think anyone on this earth would have the knowledge of building a sport from the ground up as much as he did...
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Sundance just gets it. its why he was so good at the panel =p
Great information on eSports, and it's good to hear people from the traditional sports want to get involved with eSports as well (houston rockets hwaiting~!)
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On March 10 2013 03:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 02:06 caelym wrote:On March 09 2013 17:05 PeachTea wrote:
pretty interesting. Really enjoyed hearing sundance's thoughts. Is it me, or it is hard to listen to Mike Morhaime. It seems that everyone else has a real grasp on their knowledge about esports and how their companies relate to it except for him. I'm with you. He looked uncomfortable, and his responses were generic. its because their year long WCS thing from 2012 that was the most they've ever committed to eSports was a financial blood bath. and Mike had a hard time lying about that. so he said nothing.
mike has never been well outspoken in several other things that were truly successful. Hes mostly the guy that is like look how awesome this is and shows an awesome video at every blizzcon.
Sundance always has this perspective that things need to be bigger and exclusive, while ignoring non major team esports, Why i dont like him to much as a competitor that likes competing in larger live events. And how 2013 is seeing the collapse of all open major tournaments in NA. Esport live events are just getting dull to me never dropping a map every tournament I travel to, but never being able to take it to the next level.
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On March 10 2013 03:34 KiF1rE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 03:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2013 02:06 caelym wrote:On March 09 2013 17:05 PeachTea wrote:
pretty interesting. Really enjoyed hearing sundance's thoughts. Is it me, or it is hard to listen to Mike Morhaime. It seems that everyone else has a real grasp on their knowledge about esports and how their companies relate to it except for him. I'm with you. He looked uncomfortable, and his responses were generic. its because their year long WCS thing from 2012 that was the most they've ever committed to eSports was a financial blood bath. and Mike had a hard time lying about that. so he said nothing. mike has never been well outspoken in several other things that were truly successful. Hes mostly the guy that is like look how awesome this is and shows an awesome video at every blizzcon. Sundance always has this perspective that things need to be bigger and exclusive, while ignoring non major team esports, Why i dont like him to much as a competitor that likes competing in larger live events. And how 2013 is seeing the collapse of all open major tournaments in NA. Esport live events are just getting dull to me never dropping a map every tournament I travel to, but never being able to take it to the next level.
Mike sure spoke up when Chris Sigaty was saying that no one expected WoW to do any where nearly as well as it did.
and know that the "Blizzard Retrospective" is basically Morhaime's personal take on the company.
so he knows how to express his pride.
not 1 hard financial metric from Morhaime ever regarding eSports... to quote Sundance Digiovanni 2 days before IPL6 was cancelled.. the silence is deafening.
if there were something to brag about financially ... believe me .. the first thing Morhaime would do is bring it up during an ATVI investor call.
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On March 10 2013 04:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 03:34 KiF1rE wrote:On March 10 2013 03:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2013 02:06 caelym wrote:On March 09 2013 17:05 PeachTea wrote:
pretty interesting. Really enjoyed hearing sundance's thoughts. Is it me, or it is hard to listen to Mike Morhaime. It seems that everyone else has a real grasp on their knowledge about esports and how their companies relate to it except for him. I'm with you. He looked uncomfortable, and his responses were generic. its because their year long WCS thing from 2012 that was the most they've ever committed to eSports was a financial blood bath. and Mike had a hard time lying about that. so he said nothing. mike has never been well outspoken in several other things that were truly successful. Hes mostly the guy that is like look how awesome this is and shows an awesome video at every blizzcon. Sundance always has this perspective that things need to be bigger and exclusive, while ignoring non major team esports, Why i dont like him to much as a competitor that likes competing in larger live events. And how 2013 is seeing the collapse of all open major tournaments in NA. Esport live events are just getting dull to me never dropping a map every tournament I travel to, but never being able to take it to the next level. Mike sure spoke up when Chris Sigaty was saying that no one expected WoW to do any where nearly as well as it did. and know that the "Blizzard Retrospective" is basically Morhaime's personal take on the company. so he knows how to express his pride. not 1 hard financial metric from Morhaime ever regarding eSports... to quote Sundance Digiovanni 2 days before IPL6 was cancelled.. the silence is deafening. if there were something to brag about financially ... believe me .. the first thing Morhaime would do is bring it up during an ATVI investor call.
eSports has always been under the marketing wing of developers. It's a cost center. Events themselves are not intended to generate revenue directly.
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I'll be taking the time tonight to get a timestamped breakdown of what's discussed.
looking foward to it (lazy to watch all the video)
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On March 10 2013 07:30 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 04:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2013 03:34 KiF1rE wrote:On March 10 2013 03:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2013 02:06 caelym wrote:On March 09 2013 17:05 PeachTea wrote:
pretty interesting. Really enjoyed hearing sundance's thoughts. Is it me, or it is hard to listen to Mike Morhaime. It seems that everyone else has a real grasp on their knowledge about esports and how their companies relate to it except for him. I'm with you. He looked uncomfortable, and his responses were generic. its because their year long WCS thing from 2012 that was the most they've ever committed to eSports was a financial blood bath. and Mike had a hard time lying about that. so he said nothing. mike has never been well outspoken in several other things that were truly successful. Hes mostly the guy that is like look how awesome this is and shows an awesome video at every blizzcon. Sundance always has this perspective that things need to be bigger and exclusive, while ignoring non major team esports, Why i dont like him to much as a competitor that likes competing in larger live events. And how 2013 is seeing the collapse of all open major tournaments in NA. Esport live events are just getting dull to me never dropping a map every tournament I travel to, but never being able to take it to the next level. Mike sure spoke up when Chris Sigaty was saying that no one expected WoW to do any where nearly as well as it did. and know that the "Blizzard Retrospective" is basically Morhaime's personal take on the company. so he knows how to express his pride. not 1 hard financial metric from Morhaime ever regarding eSports... to quote Sundance Digiovanni 2 days before IPL6 was cancelled.. the silence is deafening. if there were something to brag about financially ... believe me .. the first thing Morhaime would do is bring it up during an ATVI investor call. eSports has always been under the marketing wing of developers. It's a cost center. Events themselves are not intended to generate revenue directly.
sorry what? 'esports' has never always been under the marketing wing of developers, take CS and BW as an example, only recently have they started supporting their own games.
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Is there a video for the old conference last year?
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On March 10 2013 03:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 02:06 caelym wrote:On March 09 2013 17:05 PeachTea wrote:
pretty interesting. Really enjoyed hearing sundance's thoughts. Is it me, or it is hard to listen to Mike Morhaime. It seems that everyone else has a real grasp on their knowledge about esports and how their companies relate to it except for him. I'm with you. He looked uncomfortable, and his responses were generic. its because their year long WCS thing from 2012 that was the most they've ever committed to eSports was a financial blood bath. and Mike had a hard time lying about that. so he said nothing. As I've already stated look for SC2 to have less big time events and over all less prize money in 2013 than in 2012. And again , that isn't something to brag about. All the other guys had these giant "growth numbers" to talk about that did not include Starcraft. OFFICIAL DISCLAIMER: i am not saying Starcraft is dying. Blizzard will continue to make hundreds of millions of dollars off of the Starcraft IP in the foreseeable future. It'll be by selling copies of the game... not via "esports".
financial blood bath? what the fuck? It was marketing dollars. Blizzard didnt run that tournament to make money. Thats why they paid different organizations to run it.
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it's comforting to know that MLG is headed by a guy who knows his shit
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Yeah Sundance was definitely on the ball. Good for him, I'm glad he's around.
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this was actually amazing.
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The problem here is money. This talk is hammering home growth growth growth, and in terms of viewership that appears to be the case, but where's the money? IPL folds on the eve of a giant event. Korean SC2 teams can't afford to pay their players a salary. There needs to be a better way to turn the viewers into dollars for this to be as sustainable as the panel is just assuming it is going to be.
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On March 10 2013 14:18 negativedge wrote:
The problem here is money. This talk is hammering home growth growth growth, and in terms of viewership that appears to be the case, but where's the money? IPL folds on the eve of a giant event. Korean SC2 teams can't afford to pay their players a salary. There needs to be a better way to turn the viewers into dollars for this to be as sustainable as the panel is just assuming it is going to be.
IPL closing its doors had more to do with IGN getting a new boss with a different perspective on where to take the company.
IGN also closed down their sites 1UP,GAMESPY,UGO and laid off many employees not related to their esport brand.
IPL also ran League of Legends , lets not forget that... Anyone blaming sc2 directly is delusional.
quote from new owner of ign
"Our goal is to do fewer things and to do them exceptionally well," reads an internal memo from Ziff Davis CEO Vivek Shan. "In that vein, we want to direct all of our energy and work behind our two flagship brands: IGN and AskMen."
Read more at http://www.destructoid.com/ign-staff-laid-off-1up-gamespy-and-ugo-to-shutter-246269.phtml#JmPu0OWpTxmCwXVw.99
In regards to korean sc2 teams, What about the kespa teams? they play sc2 .. They are paid a salary.. Kespa are the real teams in korea, the rest are living off borrowed time .. the only one in a solid position is team IM and maybe MVP.
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What about the kespa teams? they play sc2 .. They are paid a salary.. Kespa are the real teams in korea, the rest are living off borrowed time .. the only one in a solid position is team IM and maybe MVP.
Well, why should the other teams be "living off borrowed time?" MKP is probably the second most popular player in the world (behind Stephano), and yet you are telling me his team doesn't even deserve to exist? That's a problem, not an inevitable reality. The popularity needs to translate. That's what I'm talking about. And don't forget that the Kespa teams are in the situation they are in specifically because of how popular Brood War was from about 02 to 09. Is that sustainable if SC2 doesn't grab the Korean audience to that same degree? If not, then the Kespa teams are paper tigers. And considering we've seen Estro, Oz, MBC, Fox, and Ace fold in the last few years, well, just maaaaaybe the Kespa teams aren't as ironclad as you are implying.
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Sundance and Kevin Lin were really the focal points of this conference. They really made it seem like Morhaime and Morey had nothing to do there.
Those 2 had all the answers and talked extremely professionally and fluently.
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Awesome Rob. Thanks for putting this together. Great info and discussions!
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I like how literally nobody seems to be aware that the IPL was the smallest casualty for IGN, the website recently got sold and a fuckton of it's operations were closed and plenty of people lost their jobs.
Do try and make an educated statement instead of "HURR IPL CLOSED BECUZ MONIE" it closed down everything of it including LoL.
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On March 10 2013 07:51 MarkCJ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 07:30 c0ldfusion wrote:On March 10 2013 04:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2013 03:34 KiF1rE wrote:On March 10 2013 03:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2013 02:06 caelym wrote:On March 09 2013 17:05 PeachTea wrote:
pretty interesting. Really enjoyed hearing sundance's thoughts. Is it me, or it is hard to listen to Mike Morhaime. It seems that everyone else has a real grasp on their knowledge about esports and how their companies relate to it except for him. I'm with you. He looked uncomfortable, and his responses were generic. its because their year long WCS thing from 2012 that was the most they've ever committed to eSports was a financial blood bath. and Mike had a hard time lying about that. so he said nothing. mike has never been well outspoken in several other things that were truly successful. Hes mostly the guy that is like look how awesome this is and shows an awesome video at every blizzcon. Sundance always has this perspective that things need to be bigger and exclusive, while ignoring non major team esports, Why i dont like him to much as a competitor that likes competing in larger live events. And how 2013 is seeing the collapse of all open major tournaments in NA. Esport live events are just getting dull to me never dropping a map every tournament I travel to, but never being able to take it to the next level. Mike sure spoke up when Chris Sigaty was saying that no one expected WoW to do any where nearly as well as it did. and know that the "Blizzard Retrospective" is basically Morhaime's personal take on the company. so he knows how to express his pride. not 1 hard financial metric from Morhaime ever regarding eSports... to quote Sundance Digiovanni 2 days before IPL6 was cancelled.. the silence is deafening. if there were something to brag about financially ... believe me .. the first thing Morhaime would do is bring it up during an ATVI investor call. eSports has always been under the marketing wing of developers. It's a cost center. Events themselves are not intended to generate revenue directly. sorry what? 'esports' has nevertheless always been under the marketing wing of developers, take CS and BW as an example, only recently have they started supporting their own games.
I don't think he is saying E-sports is only supported by the marketing wing. What he is saying is that WHEN developers themselves host their own tournaments (WCS, TI2, LCS, etc). The cost is from their marketing budget. Think of it as a long commercial. They get the money back not from tickets or stream numbers/sponsors like MLG, IPL, etc. But rather from game sales and in game purchase. So a 'financial bloodbath' on the event itself isn't relevant.
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Challenges on esports going forward: let the adults handle the commercial and managerial part of esports while the young focus on playing their best and bringing good games. Similar to the KeSPA model.
Rather than the western model where everyone does a little bit of everything - a more chaotic and disorganized approach.
And what Morhaime and the basketball guy said that too much content is bad. More cooperation and integration of tournaments into leagues like GSL, less 1 time tournament events.
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What's clear after watching this discussion is that we are pre-ground floor on this movement, and that if you want in on any aspect of "eSports", whether that be as a player, team, league, caster/personality, etc, there is plenty of room for you in any space.
All that's left now is a decision on which part you want to play. These are exciting times, people!
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This was amazing to watch. Thanks so much for bringing it to my attention! The discussion makes me even more excited for the direction of E-sports. One day I'm sure I'll be able to tell my kids that I was there when E-Sports started growing and when it tapped straight into the mainstream.
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it's fun on how the best company who did what dary morey is valve :D go dota!
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