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On February 18 2013 03:15 taLbuk wrote:
isn't the whole point that it is in the context of being a player?
or are you saying a master league guy needs to be a personality, while a woman could be a master league player?
Are you saying Flo doesn't have a personality? There are a lot of female players, how many can you name?
Exactly... there are only a handful of female players that have any prominence what so ever and that's down to how marketable they are. This applies regardless of gender.
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wow that seat!! im actually jalous
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Grats! More sponsors in esports is a good thing. Also, want that chair.
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Let's all just agree, Flo is awesome and those chairs are awesome ^_^
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that chair looks like it would be equal to sitting on a cloud. or better.
props to her, congrats!
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Personally, I think Flo is too good. I'd rather only recruit diamond and lower players. There would be 100x more rage, which equals even more publicity, and I could troll everyone by playing the personality card. This guy... he's real bubbly. He's GM personality. Pro gaming keeps track of what counts.
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Awesome! Congratulations : ]
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On February 18 2013 03:31 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 03:15 taLbuk wrote:
isn't the whole point that it is in the context of being a player?
or are you saying a master league guy needs to be a personality, while a woman could be a master league player? Are you saying Flo doesn't have a personality? There are a lot of female players, how many can you name? Exactly... there are only a handful of female players that have any prominence what so ever and that's down to how marketable they are. This applies regardless of gender.
If you're making that argument, first we should know just how many female gamers there are in masters league, and how many of them stream and advertise that stream on sites like Team Liquid. But none of that information is known, as far as I know, so you can't just assume that there are many women in master's league, and that they stream, but no one talks about them purely based on personality reasons.
The fact that people watch you in gold league has to do with your popularity and personality. This does not mean that everyone watches everyone else for the same reasons. Sex obviously sells in many other arenas (i.e. booth babes at E3), so at the very least it is likely that her sex makes her more marketable in a male dominated e-sport, which is all people are saying and to be frank seems like common sense.
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On February 18 2013 03:31 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 03:15 taLbuk wrote:
isn't the whole point that it is in the context of being a player?
or are you saying a master league guy needs to be a personality, while a woman could be a master league player? Are you saying Flo doesn't have a personality? There are a lot of female players, how many can you name? Exactly... there are only a handful of female players that have any prominence what so ever and that's down to how marketable they are. This applies regardless of gender.
unfortunately out of all the females i can name, only one or two are because of results, the rest are because i see threads like this
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ah the gender argument strikes again. how about we appease all gender equalisit and abolish all female league in all aspects of life. no more WNBA or women's tennis. because if we compare male and female basketball players non of the females deserve to be on teams and paid money. its pretty much the same as esports girls skills have not caught up with males in sc2 that is a fact but the top females are still getting sponsors and on teams for being the best females. anyone who argues with Flo's skills as a player has probably never watched her as she is quite skilled and probably equal to or just below the lower tier pros.
maybe instead of flaming sponsors for their support of our community we should all go email/tweet at them thanking them for showing Flo support and maybe just maybe that male player you thought deserved the sponsorship over Flo will get it because these sponsors will be more interested in supporting a community that gives them positive responses to their investment instead of gender hating whining.
gratz to Flo and props to need for seat would love to have one of those chairs if only they were cheaper haha
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They be like yo that Need For Seat that's hella comfy
I'm like yo, that's 350 for a chair.
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Yeah, remember how much that chair cost. You going to need some personality to pull that off. You can get a car for 350. You can sit in that and drive it, son. Props to Flo. Kid got personality for real.
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Now thats a nice looking chair!I'm happy for her.
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congrats to flo! hope she gets a new team soon also.
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On February 18 2013 03:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 12:44 Misacampo wrote:
to be fair, he is pretty right.
or would u rly expect a random master player to get any attention in the scene whatsoever even if he tried hard? u know thats not the case.
but i think its not the correct place to discuss it.
I'm gold league and I get more viewers than any SC2 player out there. Yeah, if you "try really hard" from a marketing standpoint, you can get whatever you want. Skill is irrelevant, marketability is all that matters. Flo has built up an audience, ergo gets a sponsor. What about that is tricky to grasp?
she got famous for being a decently skilled FEMALE player in the first place.
Everything else builds around it.
she didnt do anything else but playing to get acknowledged in the first place, am i right? and if not for being female, the odds of getting any attention to begin with woudlve been close to 0.
Dont get me wrong, she obviously did well with her initial popularity and build up on it, joining proteams, training in the teamhouse and simply being a name out there - ending up getting a personal sponsorship, but again - it all began with being a master FEMALE player.
"how many female masters players do u know"
well, i know 4 to 5, which is probably about 10% or more of all female masters players in EU/NA - i certainly dont know close to 1% of the male master players though.
Again, im not trying to hate on Flo at all. Im happy for her, i love the chairs and i wish her best of luck - i simply cant stand those "it has NOTHING to do with being female guys" comments - because its simply wrong.
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People that cannon rush every game get more viewers than any non featured member that is not cannon rushing. I find myself adding to the numbers. People doing nothing but getting rewarded and sugar coating it. Imagine how much better pro sports would be if teams had to reserve spots for "personalities." I get that number boosters are needed, but jesus christ, if we really want SC to become a sport, these days can't be gone soon enough. For the record, I have absolutely nothing against female pro gamers. I think it's good. If I had any qualms, it's that there's not enough girl tournaments: I don't actually know who is the best or anything of that sort.
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On February 18 2013 05:46 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 03:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:On February 17 2013 12:44 Misacampo wrote:
to be fair, he is pretty right.
or would u rly expect a random master player to get any attention in the scene whatsoever even if he tried hard? u know thats not the case.
but i think its not the correct place to discuss it.
I'm gold league and I get more viewers than any SC2 player out there. Yeah, if you "try really hard" from a marketing standpoint, you can get whatever you want. Skill is irrelevant, marketability is all that matters. Flo has built up an audience, ergo gets a sponsor. What about that is tricky to grasp? she got famous for being a decently skilled FEMALE player in the first place. Everything else builds around it. she didnt do anything else but playing to get acknowledged in the first place, am i right? and if not for being female, the odds of getting any attention to begin woudlve been close to 0. Dont get me wrong, she obviously did well with her initial popularity and build up on it, joining proteams, training in the teamhouse and simply being a name out there - ending up getting a personal sponsorship, but again - it all began with being a master FEMALE player. The chances for being acknowledged as a masters player by pure skill are dozen times higher for female players in sc2 - to bring it to a point.
You're doing nothing but repeating what I said. Skill is irrelevant in most cases. Girls are naturally more marketable than guys because there's a hell of a lot more male players and more competition. That said there are also plenty of female players that get zero recognition or sponsorship because they don't properly market themselves, just like the endless stacks of male players who are supposedly "skilled" but have the personality of a cinder block.
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People are seriously upset about this? Like, what?
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