EPTI think its pretty cool for her to have this sponsorship
this chair is about $350 and i am freaking jealous haha
but anyways congrats to her ^^
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Flo sponsored by Need for Seat
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azngamer828
United States137 Posts
I think its pretty cool for her to have this sponsorship this chair is about $350 and i am freaking jealous haha but anyways congrats to her ^^ source: | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
I wish my writing could be sponsored by a fucking seat. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
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Misacampo
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> get free monies Yep. Sounds like esports. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On February 17 2013 12:44 Misacampo wrote: >be girl > get free monies Yep. Sounds like esports. > have audience > get sponsorship Yep, sounds like real life. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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Finland266 Posts
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
And if we have that chair, we may be jealous that we don't have a Flo. Great to hear that she's getting support to keep playing! | ||
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United States167 Posts
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yokohama
United States1116 Posts
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Ichabod
United States1659 Posts
Neat sponsorship for sure! Edit: Oh, can you take your own chair to a tournament? Untapped potential! | ||
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United States953 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On February 17 2013 12:44 Misacampo wrote: >be girl > get free monies Yep. Sounds like esports. >be an idiot > get told you're an idiot Yep. Sounds like life. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
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ClairvoyanceSC2
United States758 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On February 17 2013 13:15 FiWiFaKi wrote: These little sponsorships are getting out of hand. "Friend buys you lunch, sponsored". Don't think these threads are necessary, but either way, congrats. I see nothing wrong with these types of threads ^^ | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On February 17 2013 13:15 FiWiFaKi wrote: These little sponsorships are getting out of hand. "Friend buys you lunch, sponsored". Don't think these threads are necessary, but either way, congrats. ? what about this or other sponsorships has gotten out of hand? | ||
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triforks
United States370 Posts
aeron..... *drools* | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
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CSSolutionstv
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
On February 17 2013 13:15 FiWiFaKi wrote: These little sponsorships are getting out of hand. "Friend buys you lunch, sponsored". Don't think these threads are necessary, but either way, congrats. I think they are important news for the scene. I don't mind them being shared for everyone to know about. | ||
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
Just kidding. Nice to see sponsorships going around. | ||
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
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Joseph Joestar
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On February 17 2013 13:15 Telcontar wrote: >be an idiot > get told you're an idiot Yep. Sounds like life. >i can talk like this too, >am I cool yet? | ||
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i99
United States362 Posts
On February 17 2013 13:15 Telcontar wrote: >be an idiot > get told you're an idiot Yep. Sounds like life. How is he an idiot? Hes completely right about how girls like flo, aphrodite, eve etc. are only picked up by pro teams because they are female although there are countless other men who have equal or higher skill level. You may not agree with his opinion but he's right? | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
On February 17 2013 14:23 i99 wrote: How is he an idiot? Hes completely right about how girls like flo, aphrodite, eve etc. are only picked up by pro teams because they are female although there are countless other men who have equal or higher skill level. You may not agree with his opinion but he's right? He's right but its in poor taste to talk shit in a thread like this. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On February 17 2013 14:23 i99 wrote: How is he an idiot? Hes completely right about how girls like flo, aphrodite, eve etc. are only picked up by pro teams because they are female although there are countless other men who have equal or higher skill level. You may not agree with his opinion but he's right? Nope he's pretty moronic, as are you really if you have that shallow an understanding of the industry. Sponsors pick people up who are marketable and can provide them ROI. It's that simple. Nobody gives a shit if you're any good if you can't get anyone to follow you. Skill is irrelevant, all companies care about is how many eyes they can get on their product. Such dumb shit as "lol becos female" is generally spouted by people that don't have any real understanding of how the advertising industry operates. | ||
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Holdenintherye
Canada1441 Posts
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On February 17 2013 14:30 TotalBiscuit wrote: Nope he's pretty moronic, as are you really if you have that shallow an understanding of the industry. Sponsors pick people up who are marketable and can provide them ROI. It's that simple. Nobody gives a shit if you're any good if you can't get anyone to follow you. Skill is irrelevant, all companies care about is how many eyes they can get on their product. Such dumb shit as "lol becos female" is generally spouted by people that don't have any real understanding of how the advertising industry operates. so damn right, many ppl don't see the ROI from investor's pov. Obviously Need for Seat or any team can just look at the scene and pick the very best player or a thousand better players than Flo, but they didn't. They can read the damn stat people. They're investing so they know who and what can return to them. | ||
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Eggi
478 Posts
Sorry if youre butt hurt about how life works. and grats to flo. Most butt hurt people are high masters players that think they are GSL. *hint* you want sponsorship? + Show Spoiler + give them a reason to sponsor you. Being "good" isnt good enough anymore. | ||
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balosan
Poland232 Posts
On February 17 2013 14:30 TotalBiscuit wrote: Nope he's pretty moronic, as are you really if you have that shallow an understanding of the industry. Sponsors pick people up who are marketable and can provide them ROI. It's that simple. Nobody gives a shit if you're any good if you can't get anyone to follow you. Skill is irrelevant, all companies care about is how many eyes they can get on their product. Such dumb shit as "lol becos female" is generally spouted by people that don't have any real understanding of how the advertising industry operates. How is his understanding of the industry shallow, his point is correct, they only got picked because they draw more antention, more eyes on themselves which is backed up with nothing else than their gender. Personally i feel sorry for them because they know themselves that they are only in pro teams for marketing reasons that have very little to do with competing or game itself. | ||
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Son of Gnome
United States777 Posts
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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phANT1m
South Africa535 Posts
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-JoKeR-
Canada387 Posts
Congrats Flo | ||
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New Zealand9496 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On February 17 2013 15:15 Chairman Ray wrote: That chair is awesome!!! I bet Flo will be 10x the better player now that she can sit with sublime comfortness. coming from a man named CHAIRman Ray, I have to believe this is true. | ||
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i99
United States362 Posts
On February 17 2013 14:49 balosan wrote: How is his understanding of the industry shallow, his point is correct, they only got picked because they draw more antention, more eyes on themselves which is backed up with nothing else than their gender. Personally i feel sorry for them because they know themselves that they are only in pro teams for marketing reasons that have very little to do with competing or game itself. I don't have the extensive background knowledge of the advertising industry so its very hard for me to comprehend why girls would get more marketing than guys. TB is right I'm a moron flo didn't get picked up by a progaming team because she is a girl and has some hidden ROI value | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
On February 17 2013 13:15 Telcontar wrote: >be an idiot > get told you're an idiot Yep. Sounds like life. You can trash him all you want. But what has Flo won? How competitive has she been? | ||
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SolidMotion
Canada55 Posts
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
On February 17 2013 12:38 Fionn wrote: Lucky. I wish my writing could be sponsored by a fucking seat. You're going to have to be female for that. On February 17 2013 12:49 TotalBiscuit wrote: > have audience > get sponsorship Yep, sounds like real life. Fionn has an audience, why no sponsorship, eh? Maybe you should consider it! Quite frankly, and not to be offensive to Flo, she isn't horrible at SCII or anything, but I'd much rather support Fionn than her. It's nice to see girls play competitively, but the QUALITY of Fionn's write-ups are top-tier! I'd be way more likely to purchase something sponsoring Fionn than Flo. Not that I would ever buy something specifically because it sponsors someone... | ||
EG.Thorzain
Sweden164 Posts
We ended up getting some of these chairs for our house in Korea, so comfy. | ||
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Scarlett`
Canada2392 Posts
On February 17 2013 15:26 Havik_ wrote: You can trash him all you want. But what has Flo won? How competitive has she been? The random hate from people like you (IE your posts in LR thread from Aphrodite vs Eve) is not worth the 'extra attention' And the 'extra attention' is usually an unwanted kind of attention | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
On February 17 2013 16:03 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: The random hate from people like you (IE your posts in LR thread from Aphrodite vs Eve) is not worth the 'extra attention' And the 'extra attention' is usually an unwanted kind of attention I wouldn't call it random. Some males might find it offensive that they try harder/just as hard as some females, but don't receive any publicity/sponsors/etc. There are obviously huge biological and cultural differences between males and females, which would explain the lack of female pro-gamers. It makes sense that people would follow a female pro-gamer over a male. The females are over-coming challenges that males do not face. But it's hard to say whether or not that is actually increasing or decreasing the overall "equality" between genders. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Canada16217 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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Australia2706 Posts
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Evolution-1
United Kingdom2 Posts
Just remember.. it maybe $300+ for a chair... but you will probably buy one for 10 years or so!! I bought one and have 0 regrets... one year in and it's still the same as when i bought it ... absolutely amazing... I am perfectly comfortable at all times... and even fall asleep regularly after a days work... because it's uber comfy when your just relaxing watching a stream. I think anybody who is making do with a "crappy chair" is a fool.. because your back is very important and it's a known problem that all gamers sit in poorly postured positions.. I'm not affilated with this company just a very happy customer.. as a customer with a back problem before buying this chair due to terrible posture over long periods of time.. to a happy non injured guy  Just think ... and treat yourselves | ||
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GhoSt[shield]
Canada2131 Posts
Good to see anyone getting new sponsors. Chair looks hella comfy On February 17 2013 15:23 i99 wrote: I don't have the extensive background knowledge of the advertising industry so its very hard for me to comprehend why girls would get more marketing than guys. TB is right I'm a moron flo didn't get picked up by a progaming team because she is a girl and has some hidden ROI value Lets see. TB runs Axiom with Genna in partnership with Husky. TB talks/negotiates with sponsors and learns about the kind of ROI they expect/hope for in terms of their sponsorship investment. TB comes into thread with his vast knowledge of inner workings of running a damn team and gaining sponsors. You proceed to admit you have absolutely no idea of any marketing terms, that you lack the comprehension to understand how any player with name recognition/fanbase/twitter followers/overall could find attract new sponsors. "Shut Up Listen when Grown folks are talking" | ||
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
I don't care about the rest though, sorry. | ||
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Csong
Canada396 Posts
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
On February 17 2013 16:39 Evolution-1 wrote: Luckyfool.. Just remember.. it maybe $300+ for a chair... but you will probably buy one for 10 years or so!! I bought one and have 0 regrets... one year in and it's still the same as when i bought it ... absolutely amazing... I am perfectly comfortable at all times... and even fall asleep regularly after a days work... because it's uber comfy when your just relaxing watching a stream. I think anybody who is making do with a "crappy chair" is a fool.. because your back is very important and it's a known problem that all gamers sit in poorly postured positions.. I'm not affilated with this company just a very happy customer.. as a customer with a back problem before buying this chair due to terrible posture over long periods of time.. to a happy non injured guy Just think ... and treat yourselves Chairs are the new mechanical keyboards. People get used to using shit tier chairs for so long and then when they get something good they can't go back. On February 17 2013 16:49 GhoSt[shield] wrote: Grats to Flo :D Good to see anyone getting new sponsors. Chair looks hella comfy Lets see. TB runs Axiom with Genna in partnership with Husky. TB talks/negotiates with sponsors and learns about the kind of ROI they expect/hope for in terms of their sponsorship investment. TB comes into thread with his vast knowledge of inner workings of running a damn team and gaining sponsors. You proceed to admit you have absolutely no idea of any marketing terms, that you lack the comprehension to understand how any player with name recognition/fanbase/twitter followers/overall could find attract new sponsors. "Shut Up Listen when Grown folks are talking" So companies use girls to market to gamers because gamers are all desperate white knights who completely lose it at the sight of a pair of tits? Sounds accurate(sadly). | ||
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Alex)
Scotland263 Posts
On February 17 2013 12:49 TotalBiscuit wrote: > have audience > get sponsorship Yep, sounds like real life. > Has an audience because shes a girl Lets not even kid ourself's about it | ||
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
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Alex)
Scotland263 Posts
On February 17 2013 14:30 TotalBiscuit wrote: Nope he's pretty moronic, as are you really if you have that shallow an understanding of the industry. Sponsors pick people up who are marketable and can provide them ROI. It's that simple. Nobody gives a shit if you're any good if you can't get anyone to follow you. Skill is irrelevant, all companies care about is how many eyes they can get on their product. Such dumb shit as "lol becos female" is generally spouted by people that don't have any real understanding of how the advertising industry operates. Yes and women are marketable? Really if flo was a guy none of us would of even heard about her shes just your standard master terran that got into a pro team because shes hot. You should check out the non featured stream list now and then woman are always the highest viewer numbers by far. Even if there less than masters. Bonus thing is check out there stream chat its a complete state just a lot of guys trying trying to get them to be there boyfriends. | ||
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AyaaLa
Spain629 Posts
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Evolution-1
United Kingdom2 Posts
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
Time to put that sucker on my computer upgrade list. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On February 17 2013 16:53 Havik_ wrote: Chairs are the new mechanical keyboards. People get used to using shit tier chairs for so long and then when they get something good they can't go back. So companies use girls to market to gamers because gamers are all desperate white knights who completely lose it at the sight of a pair of tits? Sounds accurate(sadly). I don't think this is going to be a concern for Flo. | ||
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
PS. TB is right, it has nothing to do with gender it has to do with marketability...just because you're female doesn't mean you are marketable...likewise just because you are skilled at the game doesn't mean you are marketable | ||
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Destiny
United States280 Posts
On February 17 2013 15:23 i99 wrote: I don't have the extensive background knowledge of the advertising industry so its very hard for me to comprehend why girls would get more marketing than guys. TB is right I'm a moron flo didn't get picked up by a progaming team because she is a girl and has some hidden ROI value You guys are arguing about two separate things. TB is saying that RoI is everything, and being a girl tends to get you more attention in this industry, which is true. You're arguing about whether or not it's "fair" that she gets more attention for being a girl, which is a hotly contested subject. | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
On February 17 2013 13:15 FiWiFaKi wrote: These little sponsorships are getting out of hand. "Friend buys you lunch, sponsored". Don't think these threads are necessary, but either way, congrats. I don't think a professional StarCraft competition is necessary. But it's interesting and it's fun so it exists. | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
i really need to look into getting a decent one, i'm sure this thing i'm sitting on is causing me harm given how long i sit in it for each day | ||
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StrifeIsBack
United States31 Posts
Grabbing my own soon as I've been looking for DX forever but never knew about Need For Seat shipping to the US :D | ||
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
(I feel your pain Fionn ;( ) | ||
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Singapore1949 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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THM
Bulgaria1131 Posts
On February 17 2013 16:39 Evolution-1 wrote: Luckyfool.. Just remember.. it maybe $300+ for a chair... but you will probably buy one for 10 years or so!! I bought one and have 0 regrets... one year in and it's still the same as when i bought it ... absolutely amazing... I am perfectly comfortable at all times... and even fall asleep regularly after a days work... because it's uber comfy when your just relaxing watching a stream. I think anybody who is making do with a "crappy chair" is a fool.. because your back is very important and it's a known problem that all gamers sit in poorly postured positions.. I'm not affilated with this company just a very happy customer.. as a customer with a back problem before buying this chair due to terrible posture over long periods of time.. to a happy non injured guy Just think ... and treat yourselves Gotta agree here. I have a similar chair and it really improved my quality of life tremendously. Now I can't even think of how awful I was sitting before I had it | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On February 17 2013 12:38 Fionn wrote: Lucky. I wish my writing could be sponsored by a fucking seat. Sorry but your ass is not as sweet GLHF!Wish she could stream more. Hopefully the chair helps? xD | ||
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
On February 17 2013 16:53 Havik_ wrote: Chairs are the new mechanical keyboards. People get used to using shit tier chairs for so long and then when they get something good they can't go back. It is like those squishy toilet seats man, my buttocks thank me every day. I still have the same computer chair I brought from IKEA 9 years ago for like 30€, Shit could survive a nuke. | ||
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Spoink
Austria150 Posts
I have the DxRacer Chaser !!!! The quality is really good. | ||
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
Grats Flo, enjoy it. Those chairs look sweet :D | ||
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
On February 17 2013 18:08 schimmetje wrote: Cool, more sponsorships. The scene must be happy.. about.. oh wait >< Grats Flo, enjoy it. Those chairs look sweet :D Sooner or later the scene will accept that sex sells. I hope. | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
On February 17 2013 18:05 Hypemeup wrote: It is like those squishy toilet seats man, my buttocks thank me every day. I still have the same computer chair I brought from IKEA 9 years ago for like 30€, Shit could survive a nuke. I'm sitting on a wooden chair atm. Could definitely use a need for seat! ;D Definitely underrated piece of gear people need to invest in, thats for sure. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On February 17 2013 18:09 Hypemeup wrote: Sooner or later the scene will accept that sex sells. I hope. It's called marketability, and it's true for every profession. People have to be able to sell themselves, and if you have an edge or advantage (like being the only girl in a sea of sausages) you'd be dumb not to maximize it. | ||
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
She got a cool chair, not like she's getting a prime Nada/Flash salary. | ||
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Dundron2000
Sweden1140 Posts
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
On February 17 2013 18:09 Hypemeup wrote: Sooner or later the scene will accept that sex sells. I hope. Accept? I want people to embrace it. This also means i want a Men of Starcraft calendar. Not for me, for my sister. She loves SC2. Yes. | ||
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Nyarly
France1030 Posts
On February 17 2013 19:01 Goibon wrote: Accept? I want people to embrace it. This also means i want a Men of Starcraft calendar. Not for me, for my sister. She loves SC2. Yes. Ooh yeah i want that too, for my little sister ofc. | ||
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figq
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
. Congratz Flo! | ||
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BoB_KiLLeR
Spain620 Posts
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
On February 17 2013 17:53 Telcontar wrote: Guess what guys; the world isn't fair, or at least what you think is fair. "What you think is fair", very well put. What's not fair about companies sponsoring whoever they want? They spend their money however they like. Majority of whiners, here, do not sponsor no progamer, although they probably do buy gifts and dinner and what not for their girlfriends. Is it fair? Majority of these girlfriends does not even play StarCraft 2 | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
hopefully needforseat can sponsor a couple more players out there on top of HSC | ||
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ControlMonkey
Australia3109 Posts
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Taefox
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I really hope she will be picked up by a team in near future | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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how2TL
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FinBenton
Finland870 Posts
On February 17 2013 20:25 how2TL wrote: Is there this much whining when incontrol makes more money playing SC2 than 99% of the people better than him? Is incontrol making that money only because his so pretty? | ||
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Herpaderpben
United States18 Posts
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
On February 17 2013 20:25 how2TL wrote: Is there this much whining when incontrol makes more money playing SC2 than 99% of the people better than him? There is more, I'd guess mostly because he has a way bigger fanbase, means you get more bottom feeders. | ||
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R3m3mb3rM3
Germany954 Posts
"why does she get a sponsor, but not me a unknown introverted upcoming player?" Well because she brings attention and other options don't? Also be happy that some females even stays in this scene because I certainly wouldnt with this many sexist idiots in it. | ||
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
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llIH
Norway2143 Posts
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Franberra
12 Posts
On February 17 2013 16:56 Alex) wrote: Sooo... Maybe you should start a thread complaining about this audience instead of posting utmost mediocre snark in threads, regardless of the thread subject?> Has an audience because shes a girl Lets not even kid ourself's about it Because right now you come across as a whiny, jealous prick. Just saying. | ||
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Norway1567 Posts
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novamarine
Malaysia215 Posts
E-sport hooligans ![[image loading]](http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/2859/facepalm6.gif) | ||
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WerderBremen
Germany1070 Posts
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WikidSik
Canada382 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
On February 17 2013 20:28 FinBenton wrote: Is incontrol making that money only because his so pretty? Is there another reason then him looking sooo handsome in commercials/casts ? | ||
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inFeZa
Australia556 Posts
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TrainerRed
United States18 Posts
On February 17 2013 14:49 balosan wrote: How is his understanding of the industry shallow, his point is correct, they only got picked because they draw more antention, more eyes on themselves which is backed up with nothing else than their gender. Personally i feel sorry for them because they know themselves that they are only in pro teams for marketing reasons that have very little to do with competing or game itself. Not quite. Most of the people who comment (negatively) about someone who is making it in esports, despite not competing at the highest levels, are generally just jealous haters. It's usually the mid-high masters players who feel that they are better than "X" player so they feel they should easily be able to accomplish what player "X" has already done without realizing the amount of work that was put in to end up in the position that they're in now. Just because Flo doesn't bring home MLG championships every season doesn't mean that she doesn't deserve a sponsor nor does she deserve to be bm'd. I'm a Flo fan, I'm also a ForGG fan, a Bomber fan, an Illusion fan, and I don't see any of them bringing in tournament trophies every other month. You can try to justify your hating all you want, but it's still hating. If you feel like you're better than "X", then why don't you go make a name for yourself and quit bitching on forums? | ||
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Netsky
Australia1155 Posts
"It's only because she is female! She isn't as good at the game as <X> and THEY don't have a <team/sponsorship > she doesn't deserve it!" Well no shit, it's because she is female. It's great that females are playing the game and joining teams. You know what? It might encourage more females to become interested in the game. This is only a positive thing. What I really hate is the double standard. You don't see people making the same ridiculous comments every time a foreigner joins a team or gets a sponsorship. Let's take a look at some popular foreigners: TLO, Grubby, HuK, IdrA, Demuslim...You can add any foreigner you choose to the list (maybe with the exception of Stephano, maybe Major? However this is a whole different topic of discussion). Guess what? They are ALL absolutely horrible when compared to legitimate top tier players. Not even close. They just straight up suck. Yet according to the people constantly complaining about female players, Nepotism is rife when a female joins a team or receive sponsorship, but when it happens to a male foreigner we exist in a perfect Utopian meritocracy where these foreigners are completely deserving of their team and sponsor purely based on their talent at the game alone. It has nothing to do with the fact they are foreigners at all...right? | ||
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Sweden7024 Posts
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vGDaverave
Scotland110 Posts
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Firlefanz
Germany245 Posts
On February 17 2013 22:40 Netsky wrote: Let's take a look at some popular foreigners: TLO, Grubby, HuK, IdrA, Demuslim...You can add any foreigner you choose to the list (maybe with the exception of Stephano, maybe Major? However this is a whole different topic of discussion). Guess what? They are ALL absolutely horrible when compared to legitimate top tier players. Not even close. They just straight up suck. I kind of agree with you (your opinion), but this is a weak argument. Even though they are just foreign progamers, they are within the 0,2% (not sure) of the worlds best players. I don't actually know how good Flo is, but from reading this thread she is masters (which is like the best 4% of players worldwide I think). Why would you take the huge risk and the enormous amount of effort to reach the top, if a mediocre player gets sponsorships in the end. Let's not kid ourselves, sponsors for SC2 are limited... I just want to clarify that I'm happy for Flo for receiving the sponsorship and it's not like she's getting a huge paycheck from them, so I think people make too much drama about this. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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Sooooil
Germany497 Posts
Look at dragon for example: He isn't the best player, but his streamed is being watched by many fans because he is unorthodox. Same kinda applies to TLO. Flo gets a lot of attention because she is a female and she's pretty good at this game (better than 90% of posters here). This attention is what is important to NeedforSeat. | ||
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Netsky
Australia1155 Posts
On February 17 2013 23:06 Firlefanz wrote: I kind of agree with you (your opinion), but this is a weak argument. Even though they are just foreign progamers, they are within the 0,2% (not sure) of the worlds best players. Yes absolutely, but my point is that the prevailing attitude is that it's a wonderful meritocracy when it's a male foreigner (racism) getting the team/sponsorship. But, when it's a female getting the sponsorship it's unfair sexism and everything should be based purely from skill. Sponsors are going to go with whoever they feel can give them the exposure they desire, the decision is independent of their skill as a player regardless of their sex or race. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On February 17 2013 12:49 TotalBiscuit wrote: > have audience > get sponsorship Yep, sounds like real life. to be fair, he is pretty right. or would u rly expect a random master player to get any attention in the scene whatsoever even if he tried hard? u know thats not the case. but i think its not the correct place to discuss it. nontheless, im very happy for her anyway i plan to buy a needforseat chair this year for sure! €: " TLO, Grubby, HuK, IdrA, Demuslim: (in spoilers cause offtopic) + Show Spoiler + and none of those players would drop a map in a bo9 vs Flo. Fuck, even comparing those is completly retarded. Those guys are top 100 in the world, even with koreans in the pool - flo is not even top 1000. | ||
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Glenn313
United States475 Posts
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On February 17 2013 21:57 FeyFey wrote: Is there another reason then him looking sooo handsome in commercials/casts ? he acutally has insane impersonation and moderation skills. he's intelligent and can talk to an audiance like not many ppl in the sc2 community can. he fucking does a shitton of things for the community all the time. He deserves what he gets. Again, im not hating on Flo, im happy for her sponsorship cuz things like that only help our game in the end - but ppl that doubt all the attention she has ever gained is mainly because she did what she did being female, are just as stupid as ppl that hate on her personally in this thread. | ||
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
All I see is a chair, not much else | ||
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t e a C h e r
Canada151 Posts
On February 18 2013 00:07 magnaflow wrote: Is she actually sponsored or did they just give her a chair? Will they be sending her to events, paying her a wage? Not many details here. All I see is a chair, not much else Yup same, so if we receive peripherals, we can just claim we are sponsored by said company? | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
On February 17 2013 17:53 Telcontar wrote: Guess what guys; the world isn't fair, or at least what you think is fair. And you'll save yourselves a lot of time and effort if you stopped nitpicking on things that doesn't even really matter to you. If you're still sitting there getting worked up over the fact that a female starcraft player getting sponsored because it may or may not have something to do with her gender, you have you're priorities all mixed up. There are far greater injustices and unfairness in this world that needs your attention. If the genders were reversed, I know you wouldn't be pushing the whole "just get over it" argument.  | ||
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ChriseC
Germany440 Posts
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GeneralSnoop
United States142 Posts
Let he who gets 500+ stream viewers or can take a game off ANY eSF or KeSPA player cast the first stone. hmmmmm, the only people commenting on Flo's sponsorship that can claim either of those things (TB, Thorzain, Scarlett) only have good things to say about it.......... | ||
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
On February 18 2013 01:46 GeneralSnoop wrote: I don't think Caroline Wozniacki could ever take a game, let alone a set or match against Rafael Nadal; hell, Manny Pacquiao would get his ass kicked by Wladimir Klitschko. However, that doesn't mean Caroline Wozniaki and Manny Pacquiao aren't FUCKING AWESOME and don't deserve every fan they get. Flo is a good player. She has won and gotten top 3 a number of times in female tournaments. She has a fun stream and gets pretty good numbers on it. Let he who gets 500+ stream viewers or can take a game off ANY eSF or KeSPA player cast the first stone. hmmmmm, the only people commenting on Flo's sponsorship that can claim either of those things (TB, Thorzain, Scarlett) only have good things to say about it.......... Your comparisons are really bad :/ | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On February 18 2013 01:17 Havik_ wrote: If the genders were reversed, I know you wouldn't be pushing the whole "just get over it" argument. Yes, at least I would. Gender is an inherited genetic trait, just like race (i.e. German only tournaments and some of the early EU teams) and (to some extent) ability at Starcraft. Pushing for gender equality means that you try to eliminate potential imbalances, so by your thinking, clearly the correct thing to do is offer no incentives to top female players and continue to strive for a world in which males completely dominate SC2. If you truly believe this is the correct course, you're either an idiot or a male supremacist, probably both since the latter implies the former. I know that's a strong statement, but it is no less than you deserve after what you've said in this thread. In reality, if you were a female, you most likely would not be playing Starcraft at all, though I doubt you realize this because you can't fathom the idea of a world that is influenced by something other than genetics. It turns out there are "societies" with "cultural standards" for each gender, and that these cultural standards tend to push females away from gaming. That is changing very slowly, and every little bit like this helps reach the goal. I'm sorry you are so violently injured by a female progamer getting a small personal sponsorship. Here's a brain teaser for you and any other male supremacist in this thread: 1. You think (though you haven't said it so far) that women are inferior at Starcraft. You will almost certainly defend this by pointing to the handful of female progamers and their lack of results in anything worthwhile. I'll point out Scarlett, and you'll make some ignorant comment about transgender people. Okay, fine. Let's accept your assumption that men have an inherent advantage at Starcraft in some way other than sociocultural factors. "Being male increases your skill at Starcraft, which unfairly increases your chances of getting on a team or being personally sponsored." 2. This point is easy because it is currently true. "Being female increases your marketability, which unfairly increases your chances of getting on a team or being personally sponsored." "Sex sells"? By your logic, your sex is selling too, but you're just too stupid to see it. Men who believe that this is unfair don't want gender equality. They want gender dominance. They're completely unwilling to acknowledge the fact they are got (and continue to get) heaps of sociological gifts that sped them along their path towards StarCraft and oftentimes increased their skill in the process (sports and video games at a young age). | ||
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SkimGuy
Canada709 Posts
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llIH
Norway2143 Posts
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GeneralSnoop
United States142 Posts
why? people watch both of them despite there being a ton of people better than them at their sport. my point was that people watch flo despite their being a lot of people better at her esport. sure its not exactly the same thing, but its an analogy, an example to prove a point. Heres another one: I looked at the website in your sig and saw you were on complexity academy. Thats really good, and though I haven't seen you play, I can guess that you are very good at StarCraft. I have no idea, since once again i have never seen you play, but lets say your so good you could beat Flo consistently in tournaments. Who cares? I have heard of Flo, she has a featured stream on TL, I have seen her play. I have never heard of you. Therefore, big chair company gives her the sponsorship instead of you (and i mean no offence to you btw, just another comparison, since the others weren't Starcraft-y enough for you). | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On February 17 2013 12:44 Misacampo wrote: to be fair, he is pretty right. or would u rly expect a random master player to get any attention in the scene whatsoever even if he tried hard? u know thats not the case. but i think its not the correct place to discuss it. I'm gold league and I get more viewers than any SC2 player out there. Yeah, if you "try really hard" from a marketing standpoint, you can get whatever you want. Skill is irrelevant, marketability is all that matters. Flo has built up an audience, ergo gets a sponsor. What about that is tricky to grasp? | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On February 18 2013 03:02 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'm gold league and I get more viewers than any SC2 player out there. Yeah, if you "try really hard" from a marketing standpoint, you can get whatever you want. Skill is irrelevant, marketability is all that matters. Flo has built up an audience, ergo gets a sponsor. What about that is tricky to grasp? They're mad that they can't do the same thing. Heck, I would be too, but I'm too busy watching you smash face in Blood Bowl. | ||
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taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
On February 18 2013 03:02 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'm gold league and I get more viewers than any SC2 player out there. Yeah, if you "try really hard" from a marketing standpoint, you can get whatever you want. Skill is irrelevant, marketability is all that matters. Flo has built up an audience, ergo gets a sponsor. What about that is tricky to grasp? isn't the whole point that it is in the context of being a player? or are you saying a master league guy needs to be a personality, while a woman could be a master league player? | ||
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Dundron2000
Sweden1140 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On February 18 2013 03:15 taLbuk wrote: isn't the whole point that it is in the context of being a player? or are you saying a master league guy needs to be a personality, while a woman could be a master league player? Are you saying Flo doesn't have a personality? There are a lot of female players, how many can you name? Exactly... there are only a handful of female players that have any prominence what so ever and that's down to how marketable they are. This applies regardless of gender. | ||
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zerK
Canada176 Posts
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
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Ry2D2
United States429 Posts
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T.O.P
469 Posts
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RyanRushia
United States2748 Posts
props to her, congrats! | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On February 18 2013 03:31 TotalBiscuit wrote: Are you saying Flo doesn't have a personality? There are a lot of female players, how many can you name? Exactly... there are only a handful of female players that have any prominence what so ever and that's down to how marketable they are. This applies regardless of gender. If you're making that argument, first we should know just how many female gamers there are in masters league, and how many of them stream and advertise that stream on sites like Team Liquid. But none of that information is known, as far as I know, so you can't just assume that there are many women in master's league, and that they stream, but no one talks about them purely based on personality reasons. The fact that people watch you in gold league has to do with your popularity and personality. This does not mean that everyone watches everyone else for the same reasons. Sex obviously sells in many other arenas (i.e. booth babes at E3), so at the very least it is likely that her sex makes her more marketable in a male dominated e-sport, which is all people are saying and to be frank seems like common sense. | ||
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taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
On February 18 2013 03:31 TotalBiscuit wrote: Are you saying Flo doesn't have a personality? There are a lot of female players, how many can you name? Exactly... there are only a handful of female players that have any prominence what so ever and that's down to how marketable they are. This applies regardless of gender. unfortunately out of all the females i can name, only one or two are because of results, the rest are because i see threads like this | ||
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psychotics
United States184 Posts
maybe instead of flaming sponsors for their support of our community we should all go email/tweet at them thanking them for showing Flo support and maybe just maybe that male player you thought deserved the sponsorship over Flo will get it because these sponsors will be more interested in supporting a community that gives them positive responses to their investment instead of gender hating whining. gratz to Flo and props to need for seat would love to have one of those chairs if only they were cheaper haha | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
I'm like yo, that's 350 for a chair. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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algorithm0r
Canada486 Posts
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On February 18 2013 03:02 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'm gold league and I get more viewers than any SC2 player out there. Yeah, if you "try really hard" from a marketing standpoint, you can get whatever you want. Skill is irrelevant, marketability is all that matters. Flo has built up an audience, ergo gets a sponsor. What about that is tricky to grasp? she got famous for being a decently skilled FEMALE player in the first place. Everything else builds around it. she didnt do anything else but playing to get acknowledged in the first place, am i right? and if not for being female, the odds of getting any attention to begin with woudlve been close to 0. Dont get me wrong, she obviously did well with her initial popularity and build up on it, joining proteams, training in the teamhouse and simply being a name out there - ending up getting a personal sponsorship, but again - it all began with being a master FEMALE player. "how many female masters players do u know" well, i know 4 to 5, which is probably about 10% or more of all female masters players in EU/NA - i certainly dont know close to 1% of the male master players though. Again, im not trying to hate on Flo at all. Im happy for her, i love the chairs and i wish her best of luck - i simply cant stand those "it has NOTHING to do with being female guys" comments - because its simply wrong. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On February 18 2013 05:46 KalWarkov wrote: she got famous for being a decently skilled FEMALE player in the first place. Everything else builds around it. she didnt do anything else but playing to get acknowledged in the first place, am i right? and if not for being female, the odds of getting any attention to begin woudlve been close to 0. Dont get me wrong, she obviously did well with her initial popularity and build up on it, joining proteams, training in the teamhouse and simply being a name out there - ending up getting a personal sponsorship, but again - it all began with being a master FEMALE player. The chances for being acknowledged as a masters player by pure skill are dozen times higher for female players in sc2 - to bring it to a point. You're doing nothing but repeating what I said. Skill is irrelevant in most cases. Girls are naturally more marketable than guys because there's a hell of a lot more male players and more competition. That said there are also plenty of female players that get zero recognition or sponsorship because they don't properly market themselves, just like the endless stacks of male players who are supposedly "skilled" but have the personality of a cinder block. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
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how2TL
1197 Posts
On February 17 2013 20:38 Hypemeup wrote: There is more, I'd guess mostly because he has a way bigger fanbase, means you get more bottom feeders. So you're saying his skill is not very significant to his being sponsored and being on a team. This "omg girls are worse than boys" shit isn't too different from saying foreigners are worse than Koreans, but somehow I doubt you guys are as upset with Razer giving Idea a headset even though he's worse than some Korean b-team kid working for ramen everyday. | ||
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Deezl
United States355 Posts
On February 17 2013 12:38 Fionn wrote: Lucky. I wish my writing could be sponsored by a fucking seat. I wish my writing could be sponsored by a Das Keyboard | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On February 18 2013 06:12 how2TL wrote: So you're saying his skill is not very significant to his being sponsored and being on a team. This "omg girls are worse than boys" shit isn't too different from saying foreigners are worse than Koreans, but somehow I doubt you guys are as upset with Razer giving Idea a headset even though he's worse than some Korean b-team kid working for ramen everyday. It would be kind of funny if we got a thread like this every time a foreigner got a sponsorship... "BUT... BUT... THERE'S HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF KOREAN'S THAT DESERVE IT MUCH MORE BASED ON THEIR SKILLZ!!" | ||
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alhazrel
98 Posts
Yes, it has something to do with her being a girl, like it has something to do with being a foreigner, her popularity in the community, her personality, the way she looks - that's right, because they're sponsoring her, all of her, not just her genitalia. There are men who haven't been competitively relevant since Brood War continuing to rake in sponsor money/team salaries because of who they are, their image and their personality. Too many people are trying to simplify this into a question of gender when that ignores all the other factors. Even if the next chair went to Mia Rose it still wouldn't be just because she was female. Jeeeeeeeeeeez, Flo hasn't taken your sponsorship, even if you're in GM league, you don't deserve it more. I mean, come on, if totalbiscuit, with that beard and hat combination can get as many viewers as he does in gold league, then so can you. Then you'll get your chair. I'm kidding, the hat and beard are beautiful. | ||
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NET
United States703 Posts
Regardless those seats are super legit, not only do I need some bucket seats for my car, but now I gotta save up for some sick gaming seats. Sometimes life isn't fair. My favorite is the white and blue one though :3 Also gratz to Flo as well. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On February 18 2013 06:12 how2TL wrote: So you're saying his skill is not very significant to his being sponsored and being on a team. This "omg girls are worse than boys" shit isn't too different from saying foreigners are worse than Koreans, but somehow I doubt you guys are as upset with Razer giving Idea a headset even though he's worse than some Korean b-team kid working for ramen everyday. This hits the nail on the head. There are countless examples of players getting sponsorships for reasons that have nothing to do with skill (personality, being a foreigner, etc.), but for some reason it seems that females get primarily singled out when they end up getting sponsorships/popularity. What a stupid double standard that's an embarrassment to this community. | ||
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Epamynondas
387 Posts
On February 23 2013 20:56 alhazrel wrote: because they're sponsoring her, all of her, not just her genitalia. ...uuuuh | ||
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