EPTIEM Season 7 World Championship will be HotS - Page 3
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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NVRLand
Sweden203 Posts
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Carmac
Poland375 Posts
On February 16 2013 02:20 Rescawen wrote: This sucks so bad for the players who had practiced wol for all this time. I have bought 2 iem premium tickets and a benq monitor to support you guys, but this is just a dick move. Will not watch it. I appreciate the support and I hope you'll watch us in the future. This wasn't a simple decision, be sure of that. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
There is a big reason to keep it WoL; having the same game your players qualified for obviously makes a lot of sense from a competitive perspective. However, that is not the end all be all of reasons. This can be shown by simply looking at a situation where HotS comes out after 3 months into an IEM year. Would you want them to have the finals 9 months later in WoL? I'm sure every person posting in this thread would consider that the wrong move too. This indicates that for all of you out there it is possible to have reasons that outweigh the competitive consistency reasoning. I don't particularly care, and I told Carmac that we would respect his decision either way. I can see the arguments on both sides here and don't really see it as a right or wrong situation. Financially IEM thinks they need this and that WoL may not satisfy their sponsors with the numbers it will draw. Competitively you give up consistency from qualifiers to finals, which is a big deal to give up as a legitimate sport. On the other hand you also gain the players not starting behind in the HotS scene because of making them commit to an old game. | ||
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pmp10
3397 Posts
On February 16 2013 02:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Whether you agree or disagree with the decision I hope you take into account that people always get hurt in this situation. It is unavoidable for people not to get hurt. So if you are saying "this hurts the people who were practicing WoL" that is not a good enough motivation by itself. If this had been a WoL tournament it hurts every player in this tournament by being behind in skill for HotS when all the major tournaments start there. This is also what will happen to the players qualified to IPL. Wait. Wasn't IPL hosting 2 separate tournaments and qualifiers for HotS and WoL? | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On the other hand it's good that players don't have to play WoL only for this tournament. Another thing is that they're most likely getting more viewers like this, especially because i think this way the koreans are actually much worse off, but we'll see. ^^ | ||
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
 While I can see how this is a bit inconsiderate of the players if they didnt know, if Carmac says they were aware of the possibility for sometime then I don't really see the problem. I hope Snute is a fast learner | ||
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
 At the end of the day, us viewers are still going to get an interesting tournament to watch. It might be crazy and cheesy, but let's wait and find out. | ||
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Rescawen
Finland1028 Posts
On February 16 2013 02:33 Carmac wrote: I appreciate the support and I hope you'll watch us in the future. This wasn't a simple decision, be sure of that. I understand that this is a much better business decision since it is going to bring more viewers and push the sc2 scene forward. However this must be an exception. Players entertain by competing at the highest level, frankly Wol would have had a higher level of competitiveness than hots due to the stable metagame. This is also the reason why people will never worship lol/dota2 players the way our community worships nestea for example due to new heroes being brought in and the metagame changing. Not saying they are inferior, Iv played mobas as well and their passion for esports is just the same as ours. | ||
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LOLItsRyann
England551 Posts
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archonOOid
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On February 16 2013 02:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Whether you agree or disagree with the decision I hope you take into account that people always get hurt in this situation. It is unavoidable for people not to get hurt. So if you are saying "this hurts the people who were practicing WoL" that is not a good enough motivation by itself. If this had been a WoL tournament it hurts every player in this tournament by being behind in skill for HotS when all the major tournaments start there. This is also what will happen to the players qualified to IPL. While everyone gets hurt in every situation, a lot of the damage could have been avoided. I have seen several players say on their streams that they still practice WoL because of the tournaments that remain, but would rather switch to HoTS. I would think a large part of this is due to IEM (and some due to IPL, but they have an alternative HoTS tournament and I don't think all euros will go there). All that practice time has practically been wasted. If IEM felt they wanted to go the HoTS route, which is quite understandable, then they really should have announced it much earlier so people weren't under any false impressions or wasted their time. Maybe IEM realized too late that WoL would be the wrong choice, but then that is on them. It seems all other major players in the industry knew long ago that HoTS would be the way to go. By doing the switch now they are saying screw the players who actually held back and still played WoL solely for our sake, let's give the advantage to the people who didn't bother doing that. I don't think IEM had malicious intent, but it caused damage nonetheless and a far better option would be to insist it was HoTS all along. | ||
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zw1er
Poland81 Posts
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Azurues
Malaysia5612 Posts
cause if he did, he's gonna win lol | ||
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Delwack
123 Posts
On February 16 2013 02:57 rasnj wrote: While everyone gets hurt in every situation, a lot of the damage could have been avoided. I have seen several players say on their streams that they still practice WoL because of the tournaments that remain, but would rather switch to HoTS. I would think a large part of this is due to IEM (and some due to IPL, but they have an alternative HoTS tournament and I don't think all euros will go there). All that practice time has practically been wasted. If IEM felt they wanted to go the HoTS route, which is quite understandable, then they really should have announced it much earlier so people weren't under any false impressions or wasted their time. Maybe IEM realized too late that WoL would be the wrong choice, but then that is on them. It seems all other major players in the industry knew long ago that HoTS would be the way to go. By doing the switch now they are saying screw the players who actually held back and still played WoL solely for our sake, let's give the advantage to the people who didn't bother doing that. I don't think IEM had malicious intent, but it caused damage nonetheless and a far better option would be to insist it was HoTS all along. But they didn't have word/know from Blizzard if Blizzard would be able to accomidate a HoTS tournament. How could they IEM confirm something that Blizzard couldn't? Could everyone here have worked faster to try to get the info out sooner? Perhaps, but I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say everyone worked about as fast as they could to get this done. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On February 16 2013 03:00 Azurues wrote: did forGG qualified? cause if he did, he's gonna win lol Sadly, no. These guys are qualified: http://gfx.esl.eu/media/de/news/2013/masters/iem_cebit_sc2_participant.jpg Dunno who of them is already good at HotS. | ||
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Azurues
Malaysia5612 Posts
might not now since it's HoTs possibly? | ||
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