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IEM Season 7 World Championship will be HotS - Page 2

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BoB_KiLLeR
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain620 Posts
February 15 2013 16:19 GMT
#21
Fuck yeah gonna' be there.
Carmac
Profile Joined August 2007
Poland375 Posts
February 15 2013 16:22 GMT
#22
On February 16 2013 01:13 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 01:10 Carmac wrote:
On February 16 2013 00:57 StarVe wrote:
How awful, what the fuck is that move?

Kas/Snute are not the only ones.



They didn't tell the players before.


We indicated the possibility to players, however the final confirmation that this is feasible was received recently. It is a very non standard situation for Blizzard since they had never done anything like it before with an outside partner. Plus pulling this off on Blizzard's side is, from what I know, technically and procedurally a big task (and I'm thankful they made it happen).

So it's also quite an experimental thing and you can't really be sure if Blizzard can pull this off smoothly on their side? And you don't know if all the players can practice it after the beta shuts down. Which could have players go the week prior to the tournament without practicing the game that is played there, when some players would need to start practicing hardcore now because they haven't touched HotS at all.


It is Blizzard we're talking about when it comes to pulling this off smoothly. We'll be playing on a European HotS server as well.
www.intelextrememasters.com
( bush
Profile Joined April 2011
321 Posts
February 15 2013 16:28 GMT
#23
Good thing its HotS. Lets see if all those zergs who came from queen patch are really respectable.
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Tidus Mino
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1108 Posts
February 15 2013 16:28 GMT
#24
On February 16 2013 00:57 StarVe wrote:
How awful, what the fuck is that move?

Kas/Snute are not the only ones.

https://twitter.com/Karont3_VortiX/status/301297094549966849

They didn't tell the players before.


They told me around 1 week ago, also they are allowing the qualified players + selected practice partners to keep playing HOTS even after the beta ends at the end of this month.

Sting has got this
Head of Production at FACEITTV, ex-WW & Mouz SC2 manager
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3380 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 16:31:40
February 15 2013 16:31 GMT
#25
Really dislike the move.
Some players have been practicing WoL in preparation for this tournament and now they have less than month to switch games. And besides having HotS finals to a WoL season I very much doubt the game quality will be any good.
If MLG showmatches are any indication the whole event will only hurt viewership of HotS as people familiar will current imbalances abuse them all the way to victory.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 16:36:56
February 15 2013 16:33 GMT
#26
On February 16 2013 01:22 Carmac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 01:13 StarVe wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:10 Carmac wrote:
On February 16 2013 00:57 StarVe wrote:
How awful, what the fuck is that move?

Kas/Snute are not the only ones.

https://twitter.com/Karont3_VortiX/status/301297094549966849

They didn't tell the players before.


We indicated the possibility to players, however the final confirmation that this is feasible was received recently. It is a very non standard situation for Blizzard since they had never done anything like it before with an outside partner. Plus pulling this off on Blizzard's side is, from what I know, technically and procedurally a big task (and I'm thankful they made it happen).

So it's also quite an experimental thing and you can't really be sure if Blizzard can pull this off smoothly on their side? And you don't know if all the players can practice it after the beta shuts down. Which could have players go the week prior to the tournament without practicing the game that is played there, when some players would need to start practicing hardcore now because they haven't touched HotS at all.


It is Blizzard we're talking about when it comes to pulling this off smoothly. We'll be playing on a European HotS server as well.

I'd give them the benefit of the doubt there, just a tad worried since they have a lot on their plate in these times with all the launch event showmatches and the release itself. Not every Blizz game launch has been smooth, but I expect this to go over well.

I'm more sad that this basically invalidates the stacked player field because you make them play a different game than the one they earned their right to participate in this tournament in.

I was excited for a gathering of the most brilliant minds that played SC2 in IEM this season. Now I won't see the culmination of the season but something entirely different with completely different balance, presumably glaring imbalance and a bunch of lame exploits that might lead to poor games, especially since the amount of HotS practice the players got in varies like nothing has ever varied before.

That would have been cool for the start of the season in my opinion, but not as the epic grand finale. WoL actually is more balanced than it ever was and pretty fucking fun to watch right now, bringing a lot of top players together to play would have produced awesomeness.
OKMarius
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway469 Posts
February 15 2013 16:33 GMT
#27
Was wondering why Snute was streaming Hots earlier, now I know ^^
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8683 Posts
February 15 2013 16:35 GMT
#28
On the one hand I think it's an exciting and audacious move, on the other hand however I am not sure HotS will give as many awesome games as the last couple of weeks WoL could - it's just as balanced now as it will ever get. Also the thing with the players being uninformed/not informed properly seems kind of odd.

Hope it will turn out well - Go IEM!
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
February 15 2013 16:38 GMT
#29
I know it sucks for some players and it could have been announced earlier, but most of them wanted hots and stopped playing wol anyways. It's the correct decision and I can't wait to see what the players come up with as they have at least 2 weeks to train and every pro played hots a bit by now. It also creates a lot of hype for the Hots release and it is about fucking time for the first major Hots tournament.

This IEM WC will be super epic, thanks ESL, IEM and Blizzard for making this possible pre release.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
February 15 2013 16:43 GMT
#30
At the end of the day being the first Heart of the Swarm tournament will bring IEM more viewers and attention and that is their goal, even if it means games that aren't as " good ".
Relaaja
Profile Joined November 2011
Finland193 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 17:16:56
February 15 2013 16:46 GMT
#31
On February 16 2013 01:31 pmp10 wrote:
If MLG showmatches are any indication the whole event will only hurt viewership of HotS as people familiar will current imbalances abuse them all the way to victory.


Ok. You must be joking. They switch to hots because they want people to watch the event and it is a new game. Wol is over and hardly no one wants to watch it anymore except maybe gsl.
Bocian
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland259 Posts
February 15 2013 17:08 GMT
#32
On February 16 2013 01:46 Relaaja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 01:31 pmp10 wrote:
If MLG showmatches are any indication the whole event will only hurt viewership of HotS as people familiar will current imbalances abuse them all the way to victory.


Ok. You must be joking. They switch to hots because they want people to watch the event and it is a new game. Wol is over and hardly no one wants watch it anymore except maybe gsl.

Exactly. I don't care about WoL anymore except GSL. All I watch is HotS and all I want to see as a spectator is HotS. Thank you Carmac! This is a great move imho.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
February 15 2013 17:09 GMT
#33
Carmac you fiend! Lol, that's kind of hilarious.

Don't entirely know that that's the best choice, but I'm certainly exited to watch it to say the least!
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
BlackGosu
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1046 Posts
February 15 2013 17:14 GMT
#34
can you guys stop bitching? if they don't feel comfortable playing HOTS, then they don't have to participate, no one is forcing them. however, it is a good opportunity to try.
Jar Jar Binks
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3380 Posts
February 15 2013 17:15 GMT
#35
On February 16 2013 01:46 Relaaja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 01:31 pmp10 wrote:
If MLG showmatches are any indication the whole event will only hurt viewership of HotS as people familiar will current imbalances abuse them all the way to victory.


Ok. You must be joking. They switch to hots because they want people to watch the event and it is a new game. Wol is over and hardly no one wants watch it anymore except maybe gsl.

I'm not.
If the game quality is poor or worse the whole tournament becomes nothing but roach/void-ray/hellbat all-ins then the whole spectator prospects of HotS gets damaged. That has the potential to hurt much more than IEM.
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
February 15 2013 17:16 GMT
#36
On February 16 2013 02:14 BlackGosu wrote:
can you guys stop bitching? if they don't feel comfortable playing HOTS, then they don't have to participate, no one is forcing them. however, it is a good opportunity to try.

This is not an open tournament, they all qualified by playing WoL events. I'm not saying this is a bad choice by IEM but it is certainly a bit weird for the players that prepared primarily for a WoL event.
Rescawen
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland1028 Posts
February 15 2013 17:20 GMT
#37
On February 16 2013 01:22 Carmac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 01:13 StarVe wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:10 Carmac wrote:
On February 16 2013 00:57 StarVe wrote:
How awful, what the fuck is that move?

Kas/Snute are not the only ones.

https://twitter.com/Karont3_VortiX/status/301297094549966849

They didn't tell the players before.


We indicated the possibility to players, however the final confirmation that this is feasible was received recently. It is a very non standard situation for Blizzard since they had never done anything like it before with an outside partner. Plus pulling this off on Blizzard's side is, from what I know, technically and procedurally a big task (and I'm thankful they made it happen).

So it's also quite an experimental thing and you can't really be sure if Blizzard can pull this off smoothly on their side? And you don't know if all the players can practice it after the beta shuts down. Which could have players go the week prior to the tournament without practicing the game that is played there, when some players would need to start practicing hardcore now because they haven't touched HotS at all.


It is Blizzard we're talking about when it comes to pulling this off smoothly. We'll be playing on a European HotS server as well.


This sucks so bad for the players who had practiced wol for all this time. I have bought 2 iem premium tickets and a benq monitor to support you guys, but this is just a dick move. Will not watch it.
Relaaja
Profile Joined November 2011
Finland193 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-15 17:24:27
February 15 2013 17:22 GMT
#38
On February 16 2013 02:15 pmp10 wrote:
If the game quality is poor or worse the whole tournament becomes nothing but roach/void-ray/hellbat all-ins then the whole spectator prospects of HotS gets damaged. That has the potential to hurt much more than IEM.


You can enjoy your 45 min broodlord fight in wol. Doesnt matter how they play in hots it will be very exciting. There are zero negative aspect for this change. I really liked early stages of wol too. Aggressive play is fine. Anything is better that nowadays when its almost only boring turtle macro fests.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 15 2013 17:24 GMT
#39
On February 16 2013 02:16 CrazyBirdman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 02:14 BlackGosu wrote:
can you guys stop bitching? if they don't feel comfortable playing HOTS, then they don't have to participate, no one is forcing them. however, it is a good opportunity to try.

This is not an open tournament, they all qualified by playing WoL events. I'm not saying this is a bad choice by IEM but it is certainly a bit weird for the players that prepared primarily for a WoL event.


To be fair, I think players just need to adjust. Honestly, it is a more 'extreme' example of playing after a patch which shifts the meta game (TvZ after Queen/OL patch?). Terran players might have been practicing their hellion openings to find out that it no longer works.

Obviously, in terms of 'fairness' and game play. We should probably stop competitive tournaments for 2-3 months so all the players can adjust. But in the real world, this just ain't going to happen.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 15 2013 17:26 GMT
#40
On February 16 2013 02:15 pmp10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 01:46 Relaaja wrote:
On February 16 2013 01:31 pmp10 wrote:
If MLG showmatches are any indication the whole event will only hurt viewership of HotS as people familiar will current imbalances abuse them all the way to victory.


Ok. You must be joking. They switch to hots because they want people to watch the event and it is a new game. Wol is over and hardly no one wants watch it anymore except maybe gsl.

I'm not.
If the game quality is poor or worse the whole tournament becomes nothing but roach/void-ray/hellbat all-ins then the whole spectator prospects of HotS gets damaged. That has the potential to hurt much more than IEM.


I am pretty sure IEM has taken this into account and find that the risk is worth it. Sure, some of the 'purists' might not watch but this is no different from the BW to SC2 switch. I am sure PL lost fans because they switched to SC2 .
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