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On February 01 2013 10:30 SiguR wrote:
So if Moonglade wants to attend MLG he has to play and beat Sen in a bo5? That's the only qualification? How is that an even remotely fair qualification system for? If a player wants to get his brand/team/sponsors exposure by attending an event, he has one player picked by MLG that he has to beat in a bo5. There is no full qualification system against different opponents. It's just a random bo5 against a random difficulty opponent determined by MLG (which they openly manipulate to encourage different region attendance).
If MLG didn't have to reinforce their history of showing how out of touch they are with the competitive scene this wouldn't be so bad. No invite for Sting (a recent championship winner) but an invite for Hawk (retired?).
I was waiting with bated breath for the event details. I didn't care about the open bracket. I was optimistic, hoping for some league format or complex ongoing event, and I get this... An MLG-manipulated invite-only 128 man single elimination bracket with zero seeding. What? How is this not worse than anything we've had before?
I am typically a really big MLG supporter but I can't help but feel disappointed. I'll still watch it, I'll still love it, but i'll be disappointed. I certainly wouldn't pay for it. Maybe i'm in the minority but apparently they missed the mark for my demographic.
its not out of touch, its evidence that they use a ranking system
if they arbitrarily invited people they would never get everyone's favorites and everyone would bitch about how it's unfair that x got snubbed.
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Today, MLG announced how players would qualify for the MLG Dallas Heart of the Swarm tournament - the first of its kind that will premier the weekend after release for the game. With many people expecting that Heart of the Swarm will create a boom in Starcraft II similar to that of Brood Wars did in Starcraft I, almost all heads are pointed towards opening weekend to experience the action. However, 2013's first MLG comes bitter-sweet. It doesn't have an open qualification system.
Many fans dream of seeing their top players battle it out in important matches where both pride and money are on the line. However, a recurring problem in 2012 was the consistency of these matchups - simply put, every tournament had 95% of the same storylines as every other tournament, little was new or fresh. We would see the same players in the finals of a major tournament, almost all the same in the top 8, and a very similar group of players in the round of 32 in nearly every tournament. Yes, rematches can be epic. They can be full of suspense and stick viewers to their computer screens watching to see if their favorite player could win again or take revenge. However, when the same players play again and again, it becomes monotonous, and interest waned quickly.
Instead of MLG taking steps to address this problem, here they have exacerbated it. Before, MLG would seed players into the main tournament above everyone else, but still give new blood a chance to make a name for themselves by breaking in through the open bracket. In 2013's MLG, we will see AGAIN the same players as previous MLGs, and AGAIN play out similar scenarios of player brackets that we have already previously seen. The importance of having openness in a tournament is that it creates new storylines, and. not only that, actually increases the level of skill in a tournament. New players introduce new strategies, and an open tournament pushes the best players to the top.
MLG in 2013 will rely on Heart of the Swarm alone to introduce freshness and interest. However, in such a tournament, the weekend after a new game is introduced (after a sizable beta), we need to have player diversity. Old players bring old ways of thought - new players introduce strategies and concepts that were not previously thought of. And besides - we want the best players to be competing in the most important tournament of the year (you heard me - this MLG has the possibility of being the most important of 2013 in terms of player recognition potential).
MLG has attempted to back up their invitational system by saying that it's impossible to have an online open bracket during a beta. However, this is just lazy. IPL is having a series (you heard me - SEVERAL) of online qualifiers for their Heart of the Swarm part of the tournament. DURING the beta. MLG does not have an excuse for a lack of an open qualifier - and I hope that they find some way of correcting their mistake for MLG Dallas (through expanding the bracket).
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On February 01 2013 10:36 Maesy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 10:30 HotGlueGun wrote:On February 01 2013 10:25 Maesy wrote:On February 01 2013 10:24 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 01 2013 10:20 Maesy wrote:
This is fucking disgusting. No point in amateurs coming up now with open brackets being demolished and minor tournaments nearly completely disappearing. Is this really the turn you guys want to take? I'm so disappointed in this community right now, even the online qualifiers are fucking invite only. Woooow. its one tournament.... You didn't read my post. Great job. There are still lots of tournaments with open brackets. There is one being casted right now http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IGN_ProLeague_Season_6/Amateur_RegionalDreamhack and IEM events have always had open brackets too, and they can barely get enough people to fill them out http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VII_-_Katowice/Open_BracketJust wait a little bit for those tourney's or the next MLG. IGN qualifier brackets were full of people from Code A/Code S and flying overseas to participate in an open bracket doesn't really work. MLG is the only one close to home and I've been there live on several occasions. Of course I'm going to be upset. I can't stand people who instantly think I'm trolling because I have an opinion that happens to be aggressive. Some people are playing HotS and only HotS because they want to try to make a break-in statement when the game drops. Whether or not it's realistic, there's a much better chance of that happening then beating a well established WoL player that has been with the game since it's release.
why is it MLG's job to provide a platform to break into the scene? i don't see where they signed up for that. they signed up for making as much money as possible, including presenting the tournaments they think will make them the most money possible. this isnt a charity organization.
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And if the only way you are going to "break out" is by your leg up in HotS, its not a true break out. You won't stay at the top very long. The best players in WoL will be the best players in HotS.
This is your opinion. Don't force it on me.
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On February 01 2013 10:46 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 10:36 Maesy wrote:On February 01 2013 10:30 HotGlueGun wrote:On February 01 2013 10:25 Maesy wrote:On February 01 2013 10:24 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 01 2013 10:20 Maesy wrote:
This is fucking disgusting. No point in amateurs coming up now with open brackets being demolished and minor tournaments nearly completely disappearing. Is this really the turn you guys want to take? I'm so disappointed in this community right now, even the online qualifiers are fucking invite only. Woooow. its one tournament.... You didn't read my post. Great job. There are still lots of tournaments with open brackets. There is one being casted right now http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IGN_ProLeague_Season_6/Amateur_RegionalDreamhack and IEM events have always had open brackets too, and they can barely get enough people to fill them out http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VII_-_Katowice/Open_BracketJust wait a little bit for those tourney's or the next MLG. IGN qualifier brackets were full of people from Code A/Code S and flying overseas to participate in an open bracket doesn't really work. MLG is the only one close to home and I've been there live on several occasions. Of course I'm going to be upset. I can't stand people who instantly think I'm trolling because I have an opinion that happens to be aggressive. Some people are playing HotS and only HotS because they want to try to make a break-in statement when the game drops. Whether or not it's realistic, there's a much better chance of that happening then beating a well established WoL player that has been with the game since it's release. why is it MLG's job to provide a platform to break into the scene? i don't see where they signed up for that. they signed up for making as much money as possible, including presenting the tournaments they think will make them the most money possible. this isnt a charity organization.
I never said it was their job. I said as an Amateur, the open bracket of the MLG was one of the best places to splash out of the pond. Stop twisting my words.
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On February 01 2013 10:43 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 10:30 SiguR wrote:
So if Moonglade wants to attend MLG he has to play and beat Sen in a bo5? That's the only qualification? How is that an even remotely fair qualification system for? If a player wants to get his brand/team/sponsors exposure by attending an event, he has one player picked by MLG that he has to beat in a bo5. There is no full qualification system against different opponents. It's just a random bo5 against a random difficulty opponent determined by MLG (which they openly manipulate to encourage different region attendance).
If MLG didn't have to reinforce their history of showing how out of touch they are with the competitive scene this wouldn't be so bad. No invite for Sting (a recent championship winner) but an invite for Hawk (retired?).
I was waiting with bated breath for the event details. I didn't care about the open bracket. I was optimistic, hoping for some league format or complex ongoing event, and I get this... An MLG-manipulated invite-only 128 man single elimination bracket with zero seeding. What? How is this not worse than anything we've had before?
I am typically a really big MLG supporter but I can't help but feel disappointed. I'll still watch it, I'll still love it, but i'll be disappointed. I certainly wouldn't pay for it. Maybe i'm in the minority but apparently they missed the mark for my demographic. its not out of touch, its evidence that they use a ranking system if they arbitrarily invited people they would never get everyone's favorites and everyone would bitch about how it's unfair that x got snubbed.
I see your point and I can see how arbitrary invites wouldn't work either, but I feel that should push towards not having invites at all instead of having less bad invites. Though I suppose if they are dead set against open qualifications because of release of HotS and integrity of online matches, they don't have many options left. I guess it makes sense and just sucks that HotS is coming out when it is.
I guess what I really don't like is how dead set and possibly unbalanced these single elimination brackets can feel. For example, the way MLG admins have set it up means that no matter what happens or how good both players play we cannot have both Taeja and Violet at MLG Dallas. It is simply impossible with this set up. Why not invite for groups or miniature double elim brackets instead of inviting for these "showmatches"?
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On February 01 2013 10:31 number01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 10:30 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2013 10:27 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 10:25 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2013 10:07 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 10:01 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2013 09:46 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:44 dAPhREAk wrote:On February 01 2013 09:38 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:37 dAPhREAk wrote:
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not their problem. their tournament, their rules. true but we are the viewers you are _a_ viewer. their obligation is to get as many viewers as possible. i imagine their current system will maximize viewers much more than having an open bracket the day of the final tournament. indeed, i think spreading it out is going to considerably increase their numbers. so, smart by them. it better. It will, even without you(which I find doubtful you won't watch). If MLG said they were having an open bracket, but doing away with booths on the main stage, the same number of people would complain(or more, who knows). There is a fix number of people in the community that bitch about everything and they will always be upset about some Esports injustice. i dont think you even read any of my posts or other people's posts. If there was some way to block people like you i would do it. I read them and I think many of the points are either dumb or not very well thought out. I also know that the people freaking out about the open bracket are not nearly as important as they think they are. again there is no way to block people? Sadly, no. You are forced to realize interact with people who don't agree with you. I am sure you will be able to get through it. The fact that you dont understand is that your comments do not refute any of my statements. All you are saying is people will always complain.
Well most of your posts were barely a sentence long and the only one that gave any real reasoning was:
On February 01 2013 09:44 number01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 09:40 HotGlueGun wrote:On February 01 2013 09:32 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:30 AzurewinD wrote:Definitely disappointing without open brackets. Looks like I won't be watching either. Not really interested in a competition where new blood isn't given a fair chance to rise to the top, especially with the brand new metagame of HOTS. You'll be watching. Really? This is all you have to add? How childish can you be here? completely agree. Give an unknown a fair chance to win the competition as well in the early stages of the game where everyone has the similar mechanics. You're not going to be watching the first premier HotS tournament in history because there is no open bracket for NA masters players to try and cheese pro's only to fail? You don't want to see top players like Parting, Flash, Taeja, Hero, Life play their first ever HotS tournament??? I find that hard to believe. You can believe anything that you want, especially create your own reality when i did not say anything that you posted above. I wont be watching because there is really no incentive to watch it. I can see these pro players play anytime in future tournaments. Especially once HOTS gets more stable. The opportunity to see a bunch of unknowns take and beat professional players in the early stages is something that you wont get to see again. Especially once the pro players mechanics reach their best level.
and the argument boils down to you won't watch because you can't see a pro get taken out by an unknown. Except that most of the open bracket matches are not shown on stream, so it is likely that you would only hear about it. That and its clear from your post that you weren't that pumped when you thought there was an open bracket, since you "can see these pro players play anytime in future tournaments." So clearly you will tune at some future date when you feel its a good time.
And yes, people will always complain about dumb shit. This is the internet, after all.
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The narrow-mindedness in the thread is astounding.
I want to see an up and comer rise through an open bracket where everyone is familiar with the game (i.e. it is more than 3 days old). I do not want to see G.I. Ladder Joe beat a pro because the pro was busy practicing for other major tournaments they are contractually obligated to focus on. I would rather see 2 pros, equally crippled by relative lack of high level experience, have to develop tactics on the fly using their raw mechanic and what shreds of WoL experience are still relevant.
If some no name wins an open bracket on a 3 day old game, it will mean nothing. His/her victory will be second guessed for the better part of the following couple weeks until everyone realizes that the "champ" has never been seen since due to being eclipsed by the players who are good.
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On February 01 2013 10:49 Maesy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 10:46 dAPhREAk wrote:On February 01 2013 10:36 Maesy wrote:On February 01 2013 10:30 HotGlueGun wrote:On February 01 2013 10:25 Maesy wrote:On February 01 2013 10:24 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 01 2013 10:20 Maesy wrote:
This is fucking disgusting. No point in amateurs coming up now with open brackets being demolished and minor tournaments nearly completely disappearing. Is this really the turn you guys want to take? I'm so disappointed in this community right now, even the online qualifiers are fucking invite only. Woooow. its one tournament.... You didn't read my post. Great job. There are still lots of tournaments with open brackets. There is one being casted right now http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IGN_ProLeague_Season_6/Amateur_RegionalDreamhack and IEM events have always had open brackets too, and they can barely get enough people to fill them out http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VII_-_Katowice/Open_BracketJust wait a little bit for those tourney's or the next MLG. IGN qualifier brackets were full of people from Code A/Code S and flying overseas to participate in an open bracket doesn't really work. MLG is the only one close to home and I've been there live on several occasions. Of course I'm going to be upset. I can't stand people who instantly think I'm trolling because I have an opinion that happens to be aggressive. Some people are playing HotS and only HotS because they want to try to make a break-in statement when the game drops. Whether or not it's realistic, there's a much better chance of that happening then beating a well established WoL player that has been with the game since it's release. why is it MLG's job to provide a platform to break into the scene? i don't see where they signed up for that. they signed up for making as much money as possible, including presenting the tournaments they think will make them the most money possible. this isnt a charity organization. I never said it was their job. I said as an Amateur, the open bracket of the MLG was one of the best places to splash out of the pond. Stop twisting my words.
Well sadly, 3 days after HotS releases is not the time for you. Maybe the next MLG will be your or some other player's time. Don't blame MLG for it, however(and don't say you weren't blaming them, because there is no other way to interpret "This is fucking disgusting." than blame). They have opted to make sure their show runs smoothly, because its their fucking job.
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On February 01 2013 10:55 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 10:31 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 10:30 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2013 10:27 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 10:25 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2013 10:07 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 10:01 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2013 09:46 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:44 dAPhREAk wrote:On February 01 2013 09:38 number01 wrote:
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true but we are the viewers you are _a_ viewer. their obligation is to get as many viewers as possible. i imagine their current system will maximize viewers much more than having an open bracket the day of the final tournament. indeed, i think spreading it out is going to considerably increase their numbers. so, smart by them. it better. It will, even without you(which I find doubtful you won't watch). If MLG said they were having an open bracket, but doing away with booths on the main stage, the same number of people would complain(or more, who knows). There is a fix number of people in the community that bitch about everything and they will always be upset about some Esports injustice. i dont think you even read any of my posts or other people's posts. If there was some way to block people like you i would do it. I read them and I think many of the points are either dumb or not very well thought out. I also know that the people freaking out about the open bracket are not nearly as important as they think they are. again there is no way to block people? Sadly, no. You are forced to realize interact with people who don't agree with you. I am sure you will be able to get through it. The fact that you dont understand is that your comments do not refute any of my statements. All you are saying is people will always complain. Well most of your posts were barely a sentence long and the only one that gave any real reasoning was: Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 09:44 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:40 HotGlueGun wrote:On February 01 2013 09:32 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:30 AzurewinD wrote:Definitely disappointing without open brackets. Looks like I won't be watching either. Not really interested in a competition where new blood isn't given a fair chance to rise to the top, especially with the brand new metagame of HOTS. You'll be watching. Really? This is all you have to add? How childish can you be here? completely agree. Give an unknown a fair chance to win the competition as well in the early stages of the game where everyone has the similar mechanics. You're not going to be watching the first premier HotS tournament in history because there is no open bracket for NA masters players to try and cheese pro's only to fail? You don't want to see top players like Parting, Flash, Taeja, Hero, Life play their first ever HotS tournament??? I find that hard to believe. You can believe anything that you want, especially create your own reality when i did not say anything that you posted above. I wont be watching because there is really no incentive to watch it. I can see these pro players play anytime in future tournaments. Especially once HOTS gets more stable. The opportunity to see a bunch of unknowns take and beat professional players in the early stages is something that you wont get to see again. Especially once the pro players mechanics reach their best level. and the argument boils down to you won't watch because you can't see a pro get taken out by an unknown. Except that most of the open bracket matches are not shown on stream, so it is likely that you would only hear about it. That and its clear from your post that you weren't that pumped when you thought there was an open bracket, since you "can see these pro players play anytime in future tournaments." So clearly you will tune at some future date when you feel its a good time. And yes, people will always complain about dumb shit. This is the internet, after all.
Opportunities like this do not appear too often for new players, especially the unknown ones. A tournament that allows some random person to face and possibly beat a major player is exciting and can be a window for the new player to become something more. Especially when the mechanics of the top tier players are similar to the unknowns in the early stages. Once HOTS gets more established is going to be extremely difficult for an unknown to break into the scene. For example, idra was able to win MLG DC 2010 when the game was fresh but he has not been able to win any major mlg since nor I see him winning in the future. But that is how i got to know him, otherwise i would not give a rats ass about him.
Even though there are many NA players that are participating in this tournament, i also want to see new faces now, not when it becomes almost impossible.
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On February 01 2013 11:01 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 10:49 Maesy wrote:On February 01 2013 10:46 dAPhREAk wrote:On February 01 2013 10:36 Maesy wrote:On February 01 2013 10:30 HotGlueGun wrote:On February 01 2013 10:25 Maesy wrote:On February 01 2013 10:24 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 01 2013 10:20 Maesy wrote:
This is fucking disgusting. No point in amateurs coming up now with open brackets being demolished and minor tournaments nearly completely disappearing. Is this really the turn you guys want to take? I'm so disappointed in this community right now, even the online qualifiers are fucking invite only. Woooow. its one tournament.... You didn't read my post. Great job. There are still lots of tournaments with open brackets. There is one being casted right now http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IGN_ProLeague_Season_6/Amateur_RegionalDreamhack and IEM events have always had open brackets too, and they can barely get enough people to fill them out http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VII_-_Katowice/Open_BracketJust wait a little bit for those tourney's or the next MLG. IGN qualifier brackets were full of people from Code A/Code S and flying overseas to participate in an open bracket doesn't really work. MLG is the only one close to home and I've been there live on several occasions. Of course I'm going to be upset. I can't stand people who instantly think I'm trolling because I have an opinion that happens to be aggressive. Some people are playing HotS and only HotS because they want to try to make a break-in statement when the game drops. Whether or not it's realistic, there's a much better chance of that happening then beating a well established WoL player that has been with the game since it's release. why is it MLG's job to provide a platform to break into the scene? i don't see where they signed up for that. they signed up for making as much money as possible, including presenting the tournaments they think will make them the most money possible. this isnt a charity organization. I never said it was their job. I said as an Amateur, the open bracket of the MLG was one of the best places to splash out of the pond. Stop twisting my words. Well sadly, 3 days after HotS releases is not the time for you. Maybe the next MLG will be your or some other player's time. Don't blame MLG for it, however(and don't say you weren't blaming them, because there is no other way to interpret "This is fucking disgusting." than blame). They have opted to make sure their show runs smoothly, because its their fucking job.
No, there are other reasons than 'blame'. I'm not going to lie like other people and say I'm not going to watch the event. I will watch MLG. I'm 'disgusted' because I read several posts on the last announcement that players had already bought plane tickets etc. to participate in this event and then the organization suddenly turned around and said they're doing invite only. Don't tell me that isn't fucked up for the people that were excited to play.
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Kind of lame, was really hoping for a lot of fresh talent and new faces could make a name for themselves at the release of the game in a major premiere tournament. This is how a majority of the foreign pros came into the scene, sad that it won't be the same just yet. It also doesn't really matter than if open bracket games are casted or not, when Scarlett took out Demuslim everyone heard about the news nearly instantly. That game was never casted or shown at the time. Imagine if some no namer took out MC or Polt or Violet. If the person had any decent social skills they could rise to the top as fast as Scarlett did.
Still better than nothing, hopefully the other MLGs end up not following the same format.
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This is why ipl6 is still wol, so we dont have noobs beating pros at a 3 day old game.
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Well I too miss the OBs. Changes mlg from a must watch to a if I have nothing else to do. Can't wait for ipl!
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On February 01 2013 11:24 408xParadox wrote:
This is why ipl6 is still wol, so we dont have noobs beating pros at a 3 day old game.
Do you have any idea what the fuck the strategy part in RTS means? You really aren't the pro if you're losing to a random guy all inning you.
Dealing with new strategies and being able to invent defenses on the fly is a huge part of playing starcraft at a high level. If a player comes up with a such a strong and unique strategy that it wins him series over established progamers then he is smart as hell, and deserves the win for having a better strategy.
Clearly all royal roaders and breakout performances are frauds by that incredibly retarded logic.
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Seems fair, apart from being super NA biased in terms of amount of spots. Should be good! If they can do the first season well, SC2 might resurge back into popularity 
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On February 01 2013 11:04 number01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 10:55 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2013 10:31 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 10:30 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2013 10:27 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 10:25 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2013 10:07 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 10:01 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2013 09:46 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:44 dAPhREAk wrote:
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you are _a_ viewer. their obligation is to get as many viewers as possible. i imagine their current system will maximize viewers much more than having an open bracket the day of the final tournament. indeed, i think spreading it out is going to considerably increase their numbers. so, smart by them. it better. It will, even without you(which I find doubtful you won't watch). If MLG said they were having an open bracket, but doing away with booths on the main stage, the same number of people would complain(or more, who knows). There is a fix number of people in the community that bitch about everything and they will always be upset about some Esports injustice. i dont think you even read any of my posts or other people's posts. If there was some way to block people like you i would do it. I read them and I think many of the points are either dumb or not very well thought out. I also know that the people freaking out about the open bracket are not nearly as important as they think they are. again there is no way to block people? Sadly, no. You are forced to realize interact with people who don't agree with you. I am sure you will be able to get through it. The fact that you dont understand is that your comments do not refute any of my statements. All you are saying is people will always complain. Well most of your posts were barely a sentence long and the only one that gave any real reasoning was: On February 01 2013 09:44 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:40 HotGlueGun wrote:On February 01 2013 09:32 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:30 AzurewinD wrote:Definitely disappointing without open brackets. Looks like I won't be watching either. Not really interested in a competition where new blood isn't given a fair chance to rise to the top, especially with the brand new metagame of HOTS. You'll be watching. Really? This is all you have to add? How childish can you be here? completely agree. Give an unknown a fair chance to win the competition as well in the early stages of the game where everyone has the similar mechanics. You're not going to be watching the first premier HotS tournament in history because there is no open bracket for NA masters players to try and cheese pro's only to fail? You don't want to see top players like Parting, Flash, Taeja, Hero, Life play their first ever HotS tournament??? I find that hard to believe. You can believe anything that you want, especially create your own reality when i did not say anything that you posted above. I wont be watching because there is really no incentive to watch it. I can see these pro players play anytime in future tournaments. Especially once HOTS gets more stable. The opportunity to see a bunch of unknowns take and beat professional players in the early stages is something that you wont get to see again. Especially once the pro players mechanics reach their best level. and the argument boils down to you won't watch because you can't see a pro get taken out by an unknown. Except that most of the open bracket matches are not shown on stream, so it is likely that you would only hear about it. That and its clear from your post that you weren't that pumped when you thought there was an open bracket, since you "can see these pro players play anytime in future tournaments." So clearly you will tune at some future date when you feel its a good time. And yes, people will always complain about dumb shit. This is the internet, after all. Opportunities like this do not appear too often for new players, especially the unknown ones. A tournament that allows some random person to face and possibly beat a major player is exciting and can be a window for the new player to become something more. Especially when the mechanics of the top tier players are similar to the unknowns in the early stages. Once HOTS gets more established is going to be extremely difficult for an unknown to break into the scene. For example, idra was able to win MLG DC 2010 when the game was fresh but he has not been able to win any major mlg since nor I see him winning in the future. But that is how i got to know him, otherwise i would not give a rats ass about him. Even though there are many NA players that are participating in this tournament, i also want to see new faces now, not when it becomes almost impossible.
Idra won MLG right after the roach patch that was a day before the event in 2010. Also, I knew about him long before that from the GSL. He did not break into the scene at all, as he qualified for the GSL back in season one and was on EG at the time.
New players will break into the scene without MLG running an event with a 3 day old game that will encourage the most glorious cheese used in a profession event. Only to disappear after the game stabilizes and never be heard from again.
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On February 01 2013 11:32 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 11:04 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 10:55 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2013 10:31 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 10:30 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2013 10:27 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 10:25 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2013 10:07 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 10:01 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2013 09:46 number01 wrote:
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it better. It will, even without you(which I find doubtful you won't watch). If MLG said they were having an open bracket, but doing away with booths on the main stage, the same number of people would complain(or more, who knows). There is a fix number of people in the community that bitch about everything and they will always be upset about some Esports injustice. i dont think you even read any of my posts or other people's posts. If there was some way to block people like you i would do it. I read them and I think many of the points are either dumb or not very well thought out. I also know that the people freaking out about the open bracket are not nearly as important as they think they are. again there is no way to block people? Sadly, no. You are forced to realize interact with people who don't agree with you. I am sure you will be able to get through it. The fact that you dont understand is that your comments do not refute any of my statements. All you are saying is people will always complain. Well most of your posts were barely a sentence long and the only one that gave any real reasoning was: On February 01 2013 09:44 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:40 HotGlueGun wrote:On February 01 2013 09:32 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:30 AzurewinD wrote:Definitely disappointing without open brackets. Looks like I won't be watching either. Not really interested in a competition where new blood isn't given a fair chance to rise to the top, especially with the brand new metagame of HOTS. You'll be watching. Really? This is all you have to add? How childish can you be here? completely agree. Give an unknown a fair chance to win the competition as well in the early stages of the game where everyone has the similar mechanics. You're not going to be watching the first premier HotS tournament in history because there is no open bracket for NA masters players to try and cheese pro's only to fail? You don't want to see top players like Parting, Flash, Taeja, Hero, Life play their first ever HotS tournament??? I find that hard to believe. You can believe anything that you want, especially create your own reality when i did not say anything that you posted above. I wont be watching because there is really no incentive to watch it. I can see these pro players play anytime in future tournaments. Especially once HOTS gets more stable. The opportunity to see a bunch of unknowns take and beat professional players in the early stages is something that you wont get to see again. Especially once the pro players mechanics reach their best level. and the argument boils down to you won't watch because you can't see a pro get taken out by an unknown. Except that most of the open bracket matches are not shown on stream, so it is likely that you would only hear about it. That and its clear from your post that you weren't that pumped when you thought there was an open bracket, since you "can see these pro players play anytime in future tournaments." So clearly you will tune at some future date when you feel its a good time. And yes, people will always complain about dumb shit. This is the internet, after all. Opportunities like this do not appear too often for new players, especially the unknown ones. A tournament that allows some random person to face and possibly beat a major player is exciting and can be a window for the new player to become something more. Especially when the mechanics of the top tier players are similar to the unknowns in the early stages. Once HOTS gets more established is going to be extremely difficult for an unknown to break into the scene. For example, idra was able to win MLG DC 2010 when the game was fresh but he has not been able to win any major mlg since nor I see him winning in the future. But that is how i got to know him, otherwise i would not give a rats ass about him. Even though there are many NA players that are participating in this tournament, i also want to see new faces now, not when it becomes almost impossible. Idra won MLG right after the roach patch that was a day before the event in 2010. Also, I knew about him long before that from the GSL. He did not break into the scene at all, as he qualified for the GSL back in season one and was on EG at the time. New players will break into the scene without MLG running an event with a 3 day old game that will encourage the most glorious cheese used in a profession event. Only to disappear after the game stabilizes and never be heard from again.
But it will be extremely difficult once the real-programers get their mechanics back again. Also assuming that just because they are new it means that they are going to cheese is just silly. As if a professional gamer would not ever cheese.
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On February 01 2013 11:32 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 11:04 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 10:55 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2013 10:31 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 10:30 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2013 10:27 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 10:25 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2013 10:07 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 10:01 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2013 09:46 number01 wrote:
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it better. It will, even without you(which I find doubtful you won't watch). If MLG said they were having an open bracket, but doing away with booths on the main stage, the same number of people would complain(or more, who knows). There is a fix number of people in the community that bitch about everything and they will always be upset about some Esports injustice. i dont think you even read any of my posts or other people's posts. If there was some way to block people like you i would do it. I read them and I think many of the points are either dumb or not very well thought out. I also know that the people freaking out about the open bracket are not nearly as important as they think they are. again there is no way to block people? Sadly, no. You are forced to realize interact with people who don't agree with you. I am sure you will be able to get through it. The fact that you dont understand is that your comments do not refute any of my statements. All you are saying is people will always complain. Well most of your posts were barely a sentence long and the only one that gave any real reasoning was: On February 01 2013 09:44 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:40 HotGlueGun wrote:On February 01 2013 09:32 number01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:30 AzurewinD wrote:Definitely disappointing without open brackets. Looks like I won't be watching either. Not really interested in a competition where new blood isn't given a fair chance to rise to the top, especially with the brand new metagame of HOTS. You'll be watching. Really? This is all you have to add? How childish can you be here? completely agree. Give an unknown a fair chance to win the competition as well in the early stages of the game where everyone has the similar mechanics. You're not going to be watching the first premier HotS tournament in history because there is no open bracket for NA masters players to try and cheese pro's only to fail? You don't want to see top players like Parting, Flash, Taeja, Hero, Life play their first ever HotS tournament??? I find that hard to believe. You can believe anything that you want, especially create your own reality when i did not say anything that you posted above. I wont be watching because there is really no incentive to watch it. I can see these pro players play anytime in future tournaments. Especially once HOTS gets more stable. The opportunity to see a bunch of unknowns take and beat professional players in the early stages is something that you wont get to see again. Especially once the pro players mechanics reach their best level. and the argument boils down to you won't watch because you can't see a pro get taken out by an unknown. Except that most of the open bracket matches are not shown on stream, so it is likely that you would only hear about it. That and its clear from your post that you weren't that pumped when you thought there was an open bracket, since you "can see these pro players play anytime in future tournaments." So clearly you will tune at some future date when you feel its a good time. And yes, people will always complain about dumb shit. This is the internet, after all. Opportunities like this do not appear too often for new players, especially the unknown ones. A tournament that allows some random person to face and possibly beat a major player is exciting and can be a window for the new player to become something more. Especially when the mechanics of the top tier players are similar to the unknowns in the early stages. Once HOTS gets more established is going to be extremely difficult for an unknown to break into the scene. For example, idra was able to win MLG DC 2010 when the game was fresh but he has not been able to win any major mlg since nor I see him winning in the future. But that is how i got to know him, otherwise i would not give a rats ass about him. Even though there are many NA players that are participating in this tournament, i also want to see new faces now, not when it becomes almost impossible. Idra won MLG right after the roach patch that was a day before the event in 2010. Also, I knew about him long before that from the GSL. He did not break into the scene at all, as he qualified for the GSL back in season one and was on EG at the time. New players will break into the scene without MLG running an event with a 3 day old game that will encourage the most glorious cheese used in a profession event. Only to disappear after the game stabilizes and never be heard from again.
People who cheese can't stabilize (Even though pros still cheese every day). Well thought out post.
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I think this is a near perfect format for running a tournament < 3 days after a game is released and with any qualification having to take place while the game is still in Beta. With frequent patching/balance changes and the issues with downtime and other server issues in the Beta, an extended open qualifier just doesn't work as well as it does with a completed game. Maybe you think it would be better to do it anyway, maybe you don't, but I think we should definitely give MLG a pass on the issue either way considering any qualification system will have to take place on an unreleased game.
A series of best-of-5 regional showdowns for qualification in a huge tournament with the matchups listed in the OP? Awesome! I'm usually totally against invite-only, but to pick a bunch of WOL's finest and pit them together in the brand new game days after its release. Sounds good. Just bring the open bracket back on the next one
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