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I actually heard a caller from inside the game express his disappointment with no open bracket, and now I'm sad.
It's too bad MLG didn't announce it way before hand that there won't be an open bracket for HotS (assuming they made the decision a while ago that is).
For most people, this wouldn't be a problem but thinking about it, open brackets for break out players really helps keep the SC2 scene alive. Some people ladder and practice SC2 exclusively because they're able to participate in tournaments.
Though of course, it's only for this one MLG but they should definitely announce it in advance.
Anyway, this goes on to my post about how Blizzard should add in a way for tournament organizers to more easily handle qualifiers and things like that (maybe even make online qualifiers) with a way to create customizable tournaments (basically, you set the brackets, set the time and/or deadline, set Bo#, set maps, etc and then players simply participate in them via battle.net and battle.net could record win/losses automatically with less need for referees of observers or sending replays, etc).
Of course it might not change anything about this MLG (since the main reason is because HotS is just coming out) but for future ones, it'll help.
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On February 01 2013 14:36 Jv9mmm wrote:
I'm sad that it has to be Scarlett vs Goswser because those are the only 2 from North America who have a chance at winning the MLG.
Trust me. Seed will win. Him and SuperNova have been fighting for #1 GM on the HotS server for a month or two... or three... A LONG TIME... Plus SuperNova isn't invited... and he has imba skytoss on his side.
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Honestly, is no open bracket for 1 event that much to cry about? I am not sure what the interest is in having an open bracket when a new game is just released. I realize people enjoy some sort of cinderella story, but that story is only better when people are playing a game which is more developed. There is a big difference between some random breaking through an open bracket when HOTS is just released, compared to months down the line when the game is continually being figured out.
Also.... Scarlett vs Gowser and Vibe vs Illusion....that`s rough 
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all I want now is good production, casting, and player participation.
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On February 01 2013 14:57 Goldfish wrote:
I actually heard a caller from inside the game express his disappointment with no open bracket, and now I'm sad.
It's too bad MLG didn't announce it way before hand that there won't be an open bracket for HotS (assuming they made the decision a while ago that is).
Announcement made 22nd of January, 2013.
What's disappointing about no open bracket and no form of open qualifiers is the fact that what made MLG exciting was the combination of 3 things: The top players from previous MLGs, The best players at the time of the online qualifiers of the event, and the open bracket providing the best players that didn't qualify or get invited a chance to prove themselves.
Edit - Instead of just Leenock's story, here's a list:
If there was no open bracket:
*Leenock would never be a champion. He would just be some Korean scrub that got 2nd place at a GSL at the end of 2011.
*That legendary TvT between BoxeR and Rain on Metalopolis never would have happened.
*HerO, JYP, and PuMa never would have played in a MLG without qualifying.
*MKP would have never been sent to MLG by reddit and the help of his fans, proving that this community is something special.
*TheStC never would have played amazing games for us to end up in 3rd place at two MLGs.
*X number of Polt vs. Stephano series never would have happened.
*NaNiwa never would have been a MLG Champion.
*CranK never would have been sent to MLG by reddit and Axiom might not even exist.
Just a few. I'm sure there's more.
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TLS NA qualifiers at noon kinda felt like they got rid of their open bracket. Cut off a lot of potential people playing who have day jobs.
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On February 01 2013 15:00 mango_destroyer wrote:Honestly, is no open bracket for 1 event that much to cry about? I am not sure what the interest is in having an open bracket when a new game is just released. I realize people enjoy some sort of cinderella story, but that story is only better when people are playing a game which is more developed. There is a big difference between some random breaking through an open bracket when HOTS is just released, compared to months down the line when the game is continually being figured out. Also.... Scarlett vs Gowser and Vibe vs Illusion....that`s rough
There was a caller on inside the game who was really down from no MLG open bracket (mainly because it wasn't announced in advance).
He said he practiced a lot of HotS beta for the MLG open bracket. I can imagine the person being really good and motivated and dreaming of owning it up in MLG... then they announce there will be no open bracket.
I know some people say that people who practice HotS beta a lot definitely have (in a way) an edge over pro players who need to practice WoL (since they're either in a WoL tournament right now or they will be soon) but this is huge motivation for potential break out players. Maybe they get far in a tournament and ride the momentum to become a better play in the future from said results.
So for most people, it won't really matter to them but I can definitely understand the disappointed from people who planned to participate in MLG open bracket as a potential break out player. It's the minority and for the most part, people don't hear much from them but those type of players are a decent part of the player base.
Again, this type of thing helps keep people interested in SC2 (that is, the players who play SC2 because they're able to try out for big tournaments). Of course that might be the minority but it's still a part. I wonder if Blizzard could help with that by sponsoring and encouraging more tournaments to have open brackets.
Edit - My thoughts on this came after hearing that caller from inside the game. I mean, he sounded really sad. Definitely changed my mindset about not caring or caring about the open bracket, so kudos to that caller.
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On February 01 2013 14:57 Goldfish wrote:
It's too bad MLG didn't announce it way before hand that there won't be an open bracket for HotS (assuming they made the decision a while ago that is)..
17 Page thread on No Open Bracket... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394726
Personally I can see the appeal; but I'd still rather see a standard tourney including open brackets.
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I still don't understand why there is no open bracket. WTF does server stability mean?
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On February 01 2013 15:13 uberism wrote:
I still don't understand why there is no open bracket. WTF does server stability mean?
uhm.. the Servers that everyone plays HOTS on? Remember theres no such thing as LAN in 2013 for SC2...
Here's TotalBiscuit's post on Reddit.
This is quite clearly all Blizzards doing, not MLG. I'd be very surprised if Blizzard wanted the responsibility of having to handle a massive open bracket plus massive qualifiers (on the beta server no-less) that close to launch. There's no way MLG would just axe the open bracket for their first HotS tournament without serious pressure from an external source, it's been a staple of the circuit forever.
Again, this is one damn event. Axiom gets fucked by their "invitational" system but it's still just... one... event... If this becomes THE thing, then yes, there's a reason for concern but there is no reason to flip out over one tournament. They're even calling it an exhibition, how much more evidence could you need to come to the conclusion that this is a one-off?
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/17npg5/mlg_2013_format_going_in_the_wrong_direction/
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On February 01 2013 15:23 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 15:13 uberism wrote:
I still don't understand why there is no open bracket. WTF does server stability mean? uhm.. the Servers that everyone plays HOTS on? Remember theres no such thing as LAN in 2013 for SC2... Here's TotalBiscuit's post on Reddit. Show nested quote +This is quite clearly all Blizzards doing, not MLG. I'd be very surprised if Blizzard wanted the responsibility of having to handle a massive open bracket plus massive qualifiers (on the beta server no-less) that close to launch. There's no way MLG would just axe the open bracket for their first HotS tournament without serious pressure from an external source, it's been a staple of the circuit forever.
Again, this is one damn event. Axiom gets fucked by their "invitational" system but it's still just... one... event... If this becomes THE thing, then yes, there's a reason for concern but there is no reason to flip out over one tournament. They're even calling it an exhibition, how much more evidence could you need to come to the conclusion that this is a one-off?
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/17npg5/mlg_2013_format_going_in_the_wrong_direction/
well, no shit blizzard is involved. mlg wants to make sure the servers dont go down in the middle of it. mlg_adam already discussed this in this thread.
On February 01 2013 02:41 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 02:40 TBO wrote:We wanted to have huge open online qualifiers for each region but due to HOTS beta stability we had to run only invitational activity.
I could live with that explanation if you actually had no online matches at all, but as you actually do online matches including players outside the USA (for which latency will be terrible) and a lot of time until march 15th, it's really a strange thing you came up with. And if you don't want people to be upset, why don't you flat out say that there will be an open bracket again in the events thereafter instead of saying you will announce more later. We are working very closely with Blizzard to ensure that the specific days that qualifying matches are happening that servers are stable and ready. That was not possible with a large open bracket across multiple regions spanning a long period of time.
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On February 01 2013 15:30 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 15:23 zaii wrote:On February 01 2013 15:13 uberism wrote:
I still don't understand why there is no open bracket. WTF does server stability mean? uhm.. the Servers that everyone plays HOTS on? Remember theres no such thing as LAN in 2013 for SC2... Here's TotalBiscuit's post on Reddit. This is quite clearly all Blizzards doing, not MLG. I'd be very surprised if Blizzard wanted the responsibility of having to handle a massive open bracket plus massive qualifiers (on the beta server no-less) that close to launch. There's no way MLG would just axe the open bracket for their first HotS tournament without serious pressure from an external source, it's been a staple of the circuit forever.
Again, this is one damn event. Axiom gets fucked by their "invitational" system but it's still just... one... event... If this becomes THE thing, then yes, there's a reason for concern but there is no reason to flip out over one tournament. They're even calling it an exhibition, how much more evidence could you need to come to the conclusion that this is a one-off?
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/17npg5/mlg_2013_format_going_in_the_wrong_direction/ well, no shit blizzard is involved. mlg wants to make sure the servers dont go down in the middle of it. mlg_adam already discussed this in this thread. Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 02:41 MLG_Adam wrote:On February 01 2013 02:40 TBO wrote:We wanted to have huge open online qualifiers for each region but due to HOTS beta stability we had to run only invitational activity.
I could live with that explanation if you actually had no online matches at all, but as you actually do online matches including players outside the USA (for which latency will be terrible) and a lot of time until march 15th, it's really a strange thing you came up with. And if you don't want people to be upset, why don't you flat out say that there will be an open bracket again in the events thereafter instead of saying you will announce more later. We are working very closely with Blizzard to ensure that the specific days that qualifying matches are happening that servers are stable and ready. That was not possible with a large open bracket across multiple regions spanning a long period of time.
I know, But not everyone reads the thread these days before posting.
Oh you silly bunch in the community.
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On February 01 2013 15:11 Goldfish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 15:00 mango_destroyer wrote:Honestly, is no open bracket for 1 event that much to cry about? I am not sure what the interest is in having an open bracket when a new game is just released. I realize people enjoy some sort of cinderella story, but that story is only better when people are playing a game which is more developed. There is a big difference between some random breaking through an open bracket when HOTS is just released, compared to months down the line when the game is continually being figured out. Also.... Scarlett vs Gowser and Vibe vs Illusion....that`s rough There was a caller on inside the game who was really down from no MLG open bracket (mainly because it wasn't announced in advance). He said he practiced a lot of HotS beta for the MLG open bracket. I can imagine the person being really good and motivated and dreaming of owning it up in MLG... then they announce there will be no open bracket. I know some people say that people who practice HotS beta a lot definitely have (in a way) an edge over pro players who need to practice WoL (since they're either in a WoL tournament right now or they will be soon) but this is huge motivation for potential break out players. Maybe they get far in a tournament and ride the momentum to become a better play in the future from said results. So for most people, it won't really matter to them but I can definitely understand the disappointed from people who planned to participate in MLG open bracket as a potential break out player. It's the minority and for the most part, people don't hear much from them but those type of players are a decent part of the player base. Again, this type of thing helps keep people interested in SC2 (that is, the players who play SC2 because they're able to try out for big tournaments). Of course that might be the minority but it's still a part. I wonder if Blizzard could help with that by sponsoring and encouraging more tournaments to have open brackets. Edit - My thoughts on this came after hearing that caller from inside the game. I mean, he sounded really sad. Definitely changed my mindset about not caring or caring about the open bracket, so kudos to that caller.
Hmm I can definitely agree regarding the point of keeping the interest of sc2 viewers and players. I do believe MLG is better off having an open bracket (whether it interests me or not), but this seems to be a one off event. I remember reading something in the form of a tweet or reddit post by Sundance, that they have plans that would give amateurs even more opportunity this year. I guess we will have to wait and see. I just think there is too much overreaction (not from you of course).
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HOTS in MLG, that sounds pretty sick 
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On February 01 2013 15:36 TheEmulator wrote:HOTS in MLG, that sounds pretty sick
Until you read everything that MLG removed from the event compared to previous MLG events.
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Yeah, thinking about this a bit more, and looking at the really awesome line up, I'm actually pretty excited about this. There's no way they can guarantee server stability, right after launch, so removing the open bracket just makes a lot of sense.
Excited.
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I'm sad about the lack of open bracket too, but still looking forward to this tournament. It ia a difficult situation, but most likely it's a one off because Beta.
Hoping glade beats sen! Otherwise I'm a fan of most ESF players there so rooting for them
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On February 01 2013 15:42 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 15:36 TheEmulator wrote:HOTS in MLG, that sounds pretty sick Until you read everything that MLG removed from the event compared to previous MLG events.
not really. we are getting legit HotS tournament play starting in 4 days. As someone who has been playing HotS for a few months now and isn't nearly as interested in WoL anymore, I'm rather excited. I'll miss the open bracket, but I can live without it for this one event. I get to watch Flash, Thorzain, Life, Stephano, Rain, and other gosu players in HotS.
Shit happens, you gotta deal with it. And thats what MLG is doing. You can act like a child and pout, kick and scream about it. Or you can be an adult, look at the big picture and realize, hey this is the first HotS tournament! And Flash is playing in it.
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On February 01 2013 15:51 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 15:42 Elite_ wrote:On February 01 2013 15:36 TheEmulator wrote:HOTS in MLG, that sounds pretty sick Until you read everything that MLG removed from the event compared to previous MLG events. not really. we are getting legit HotS tournament play starting in 4 days. As someone who has been playing HotS for a few months now and isn't nearly as interested in WoL anymore, I'm rather excited. I'll miss the open bracket, but I can live without it for this one event. I get to watch Flash, Thorzain, Life, Stephano, Rain, and other gosu players in HotS. Shit happens, you gotta deal with it. And thats what MLG is doing. You can act like a child and pout, kick and scream about it. Or you can be an adult, look at the big picture and realize, hey this is the first HotS tournament! And Flash is playing in it.
They also removed the lower bracket. 32 player single elimination. Also Flash isn't practicing HotS before the tournament. Ever. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394787
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On February 01 2013 15:54 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 15:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 01 2013 15:42 Elite_ wrote:On February 01 2013 15:36 TheEmulator wrote:HOTS in MLG, that sounds pretty sick Until you read everything that MLG removed from the event compared to previous MLG events. not really. we are getting legit HotS tournament play starting in 4 days. As someone who has been playing HotS for a few months now and isn't nearly as interested in WoL anymore, I'm rather excited. I'll miss the open bracket, but I can live without it for this one event. I get to watch Flash, Thorzain, Life, Stephano, Rain, and other gosu players in HotS. Shit happens, you gotta deal with it. And thats what MLG is doing. You can act like a child and pout, kick and scream about it. Or you can be an adult, look at the big picture and realize, hey this is the first HotS tournament! And Flash is playing in it. They also removed the lower bracket. 32 player single elimination.
so? i'm fine with single elim. It also means no extended series. And it means we get to see every game.
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