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[MLG] Winter Season featuring Heart of the Swarm - Page 23

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Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
February 01 2013 07:04 GMT
#441
sen and moonglade ... thats not faire they are so strong and only one of them -.- ...
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
February 01 2013 09:04 GMT
#442
On February 01 2013 16:02 jmbthirteen wrote:
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On February 01 2013 15:54 Elite_ wrote:
On February 01 2013 15:51 jmbthirteen wrote:
On February 01 2013 15:42 Elite_ wrote:
On February 01 2013 15:36 TheEmulator wrote:
HOTS in MLG, that sounds pretty sick

Until you read everything that MLG removed from the event compared to previous MLG events.

not really. we are getting legit HotS tournament play starting in 4 days. As someone who has been playing HotS for a few months now and isn't nearly as interested in WoL anymore, I'm rather excited. I'll miss the open bracket, but I can live without it for this one event. I get to watch Flash, Thorzain, Life, Stephano, Rain, and other gosu players in HotS.

Shit happens, you gotta deal with it. And thats what MLG is doing. You can act like a child and pout, kick and scream about it. Or you can be an adult, look at the big picture and realize, hey this is the first HotS tournament! And Flash is playing in it.

They also removed the lower bracket. 32 player single elimination.

so? i'm fine with single elim. It also means no extended series. And it means we get to see every game.


Hey man, people are too busy pitchforking and stuff over something they normally wouldn't care about, get your positivity and logic out of here!

~_~
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Bjarne
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany192 Posts
February 01 2013 09:12 GMT
#443
The open bracket was important for esport. Very sad.

The invitational is nice, love to see Socke win his game, but its not even close to the awesome open bracket.

IPL will take MLGs place very soon, open bracket ftw!!

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ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
February 01 2013 11:09 GMT
#444
No Jaedong?
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
February 01 2013 13:39 GMT
#445
On February 01 2013 06:27 Plansix wrote:
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On February 01 2013 06:15 RemarK wrote:
Not to be negative, but this is a terrible format with laughable matchups. I feel genuinely sorry for anyone who bought tickets to this event in advance, especially if they were hoping to compete.

Oh well, IPL seems willing to pick up MLG's slack so it's not the end of the world or anything, just a lose-lose situation where spectators get worse games and a bunch of talented players who are stronger than the invites don't get the chance to play in MLG.

The bad map pool is just icing on the cake


When you start your post off with “Not to be negative, but this is a terrible format with laughable matchups,” its not a really good start. It is pretty clear you didn’t read the thread and are only here to hate on MLG and have no real argument what so ever. People don’t know if IPL is having a true open bracket and their event is still WoL, it is pretty dumb.

Also, there is no data on what is a broken or not broken map in HotS. But I am sure there are some experts out there that will tell you otherwise.


There is idiotic design regardless of HotS or WoL and those 3 Blizzard maps are simply not worthy to be played. You won't find many mapmakers disagreeing with that.

There is plenty of great unplayed community maps and it's not hard to ask the mapmakers to cooperate (as IPL proves, watch IPL map tournament in some hours).

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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 01 2013 13:45 GMT
#446
Well this seems more like a giant showmatch tournament rather than actual MLG championship competition, with open bracket missing and invite only qualifiers with mostly fan favorites.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
February 01 2013 13:57 GMT
#447
On February 01 2013 22:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Well this seems more like a giant showmatch tournament rather than actual MLG championship competition, with open bracket missing and invite only qualifiers with mostly fan favorites.


It's like MvP part 2 (which is understandable with their KeSPA deal and all that).
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 01 2013 14:24 GMT
#448
On February 01 2013 14:00 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
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On February 01 2013 13:55 Elite_ wrote:
On February 01 2013 13:48 magicallypuzzled wrote:
there always going to be some people that are odd choices in any invitational other wise the invites just seem boring.

The onetwo questionable invites are Jjakji... Wins a GSL Championship a year ago, falls to Code A the next season, stays in Code A for 2 more seasons, falls out of the GSL, requalifies, falls out of the GSL again, and doesn't win a single game in the Code A Preliminaries this season... Also he's never attended a MLG IIRC... Only foreign event he's been to is IPL4... Unless you count the online portion of Iron Squid 1...

and GuMiho, who weirdly accepted an invite despite saying he's not going to attend any foreign events until he's a GSL Champion.

The one questionable non-invite is soO, the MvP Invitational Champion...


Nobody know who was invited and turned it down for one reason or another and they certainly are not going to cheapen their own event but saying coulda woulda shoulda.


Well, if you look the eSF side, I don't think anyone turned them down. And the reason Jjajki was picked because all teams on eSF got at least 1 spot (same with Kespa). The teams all sent their 'star' players

Let's take a look at eSF.

Life, Leenock, Bomber already in so that is 2 ST and 1 FXO

NSHS 1 spot - Jjakji
Prime 2 spots - MKP, Creator
FXO 1 spot - GumiHo
IM 3 spots - Seed, Mvp, Nestea
ST 1 spot - Curious
MVP 2 spots - DRG, Sniper
hellokittySC2
Profile Joined September 2009
United States395 Posts
February 01 2013 15:19 GMT
#449
why can't they hold an online qualifier for a few spots? there are players like me who are top 20 gm on HOTS as of now, who will probably provide better games for the viewers than 1/2 of the players on here who are still playing WOL.
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ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
February 01 2013 15:24 GMT
#450
You can't come to tibber's tea party!
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Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
February 01 2013 15:31 GMT
#451
On February 02 2013 00:19 hellokittySC2 wrote:
why can't they hold an online qualifier for a few spots? there are players like me who are top 20 gm on HOTS as of now, who will probably provide better games for the viewers than 1/2 of the players on here who are still playing WOL.


Haha no.
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HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
February 01 2013 15:41 GMT
#452
On February 02 2013 00:19 hellokittySC2 wrote:
why can't they hold an online qualifier for a few spots? there are players like me who are top 20 gm on HOTS as of now, who will probably provide better games for the viewers than 1/2 of the players on here who are still playing WOL.



not only that, but open bracket or an open online qualifer is a good way for people to get their foot into the door. It lets talentend players get on the radar of teams if they make it through. And it also weeds the people who should be pros and people who are stream personalities.
MysterySC
Profile Joined October 2012
Andorra109 Posts
February 01 2013 15:46 GMT
#453
TBH, looks very bad
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 01 2013 16:00 GMT
#454
On February 02 2013 00:19 hellokittySC2 wrote:
why can't they hold an online qualifier for a few spots? there are players like me who are top 20 gm on HOTS as of now, who will probably provide better games for the viewers than 1/2 of the players on here who are still playing WOL.


I agree actually, early WoL for example had tons of new player rising in the scene because they showed creative strategies (see Catz, Destiny, Spanishiwa, Kiwikaki, etc.) and it was awesome to watch as well. This could be so incredibly refreshing for the scene and for viewers but instead they're mostly inviting people who are still focused mainly on WoL who will most likely stick to WoL-esque styles instead of going batshit crazy with new units and strategies.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
nomyx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2205 Posts
February 01 2013 16:02 GMT
#455
My guess is that this invitational is kinda a show off for HotS and the next tournament will have the open bracket

I remember a tweet / reddit post from someone at MLG and said that this format would only last one tournament, and I assume by format they meant invitational instead of open bracket
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 01 2013 16:35 GMT
#456
On February 01 2013 15:05 Elite_ wrote:
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On February 01 2013 14:57 Goldfish wrote:
I actually heard a caller from inside the game express his disappointment with no open bracket, and now I'm sad.

It's too bad MLG didn't announce it way before hand that there won't be an open bracket for HotS (assuming they made the decision a while ago that is).

Announcement made 22nd of January, 2013.

What's disappointing about no open bracket and no form of open qualifiers is the fact that what made MLG exciting was the combination of 3 things: The top players from previous MLGs, The best players at the time of the online qualifiers of the event, and the open bracket providing the best players that didn't qualify or get invited a chance to prove themselves.

Edit - Instead of just Leenock's story, here's a list:

If there was no open bracket:

*Leenock would never be a champion. He would just be some Korean scrub that got 2nd place at a GSL at the end of 2011.

*That legendary TvT between BoxeR and Rain on Metalopolis never would have happened.

*HerO, JYP, and PuMa never would have played in a MLG without qualifying.

*MKP would have never been sent to MLG by reddit and the help of his fans, proving that this community is something special.

*TheStC never would have played amazing games for us to end up in 3rd place at two MLGs.

*X number of Polt vs. Stephano series never would have happened.

*NaNiwa never would have been a MLG Champion.

*CranK never would have been sent to MLG by reddit and Axiom might not even exist.

Just a few. I'm sure there's more.


All these things are true, but MLG will go back to the open bracket format after this event. It is so clear that this is a one event thing due to the HotS release date. MLG has said several times that Blizzard and they have concerns that they would not be able to run a stable open bracket at the event due to stability issues. Events like this are booked months if not close to a full year in advance, so they are limiting what can go wrong. It is not like this is the last MLG ever.

It is not like MLG went out of its way to screw players over. They clearly wants an open bracket, but they can’t do it for this one event. People are really acting like the open bracket is gone forver, which is just not the case.
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ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
February 01 2013 16:57 GMT
#457
any idea when these games will be played as opposed to when they are casted?
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WizardMcMuffin
Profile Joined April 2012
Norway13 Posts
February 01 2013 17:33 GMT
#458
Man, was hoping I'd see WhiteRa on that list!
He's been practicing HOTS for such a long time now!
Wanna touch my bat?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 01 2013 17:37 GMT
#459
Didn't the last IPL not have an open bracket? And it was a great tournament. Needless to say people like to complain for the sake of complaining. I just hope they're not under the impression that their complaining in this thread is consequential.
MiQ
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada312 Posts
February 01 2013 17:50 GMT
#460
So much whining over no open bracket... it's hilarious. Sure, go ahead and proudly say you'll boycott this tournament because of it. Noone cares. It'll be epic and shame on you for missing on it.
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