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Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
January 18 2013 07:09 GMT
#201
Their player is crap. Their vods are still bugged. It has been known they didn't pay. They had potential to be better since all league players streamed on own3d at the start. Sadly nothing will match twitch monopoly
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10151 Posts
January 18 2013 07:12 GMT
#202
On January 18 2013 15:51 Stonedviper wrote:
I'm sure it's been said in the previous 10 pages but sounds like he got Own3d by Own3d.tv.

I guess karma really is what people claim her to be. Own3d should have cancelled his contract like most of his other sponsors at the same time he got booted out of SC2.

Should have stayed with the proven, reliable Twitch.


/facepalm

Some people should stay away anything that allows them to communicate their thoughts to other persons.
RuFF_SC2
Profile Joined February 2010
United States203 Posts
January 18 2013 07:14 GMT
#203
As a partner of Own3d.tv I do have to say that after reading Destiny's post I am fully aware of how he feels as I am going through the same problem with being told I'd get paid then hearing absolutely nothing randomly. My payments are backed up 6 months now and lets just say I am missing X amount in K's. I originally was living on the east coast until I had some family related issues and decided to move to the west coast. With no job, I made streaming my primary platform as income until I could find work. My credit cards are backed up a lot right now and still awaiting payment from own3d.tv. I have been rather stressed out (I'm sure people who have bills understand). Thank god I have good credit and am able to hold a lot or I would have gone bankrupt by now.

I am forced to make a very hard call and have decided to move back to the east coast to get my old job back because I haven't been able to find work and with no financel support from my streaming I am out of time. I literally had to make this very hard decision yesterday and now will be leaving on Monday for a good 2000+ mile drive......... So I will be gone from streaming for who knows how long until I get settled again. (Sorry viewers, but I'll be back soon for those who watch)

I just can't seem to understand the issue with own3d.tv.... It is a 50/50 shares so 50% of what you make revenue wise goes to them so they shouldn't have any money issues? It did cause me a huge mess in RL....

I just wish that if Own3d.tv was having issues they would just come straight out and say it! Then I could of prepared for the worse a long time ago.
Eat My Metal Foot Mech-Head
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 07:18:06
January 18 2013 07:16 GMT
#204
CLASS ACTION INC!!!!

edit: yes, I know this isn't going to happen. I just wish someone WOULD actually stand up to them and sue for once. A lot of gamers are young kids who are just being taken advantage of by companies and sponsors.
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
January 18 2013 07:18 GMT
#205
One part that confuses me the most is why Destiny had to or would be penalized for switching to twitch.tv. Without seeing the actual contract, it would seem that Own3d's lack of ability to fulfill their end of the contract would lead to the contract itself becoming null and void. Which, in in the case of Destiny, would mean Own3d lose their right to even seek money.

Of course, without seeing the contract and the rest of the information needed, I can only go with the presumption and cannot be 100% certain.

What strikes me the as the most surprising fact of all of this is just how problematic Own3d seems to be and how little I have heard about it. Esports as a whole does seem to have issues (and drama) when it comes to contracts and finances. But reading through many comments where people speak of their own problems with Own3d, I just find it hard to believe that more of these sort of threads have not come out.

This sort of situation (as well as other situations) really does make me sad because it ultimately hurts and hinders the growth of Esports. How is Esports expected to be taken seriously when we have companies that are suppose to be there for their employees/contractors and end up acting in such an unprofessional manner.
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
January 18 2013 07:18 GMT
#206
On January 18 2013 15:44 coverpunch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 15:33 ch33psh33p wrote:
On January 18 2013 15:26 coverpunch wrote:
On January 18 2013 15:13 Alryk wrote:
On January 18 2013 15:10 ETisME wrote:
On January 18 2013 14:46 Rah wrote:
On January 18 2013 13:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:
"They stayed professional"

Shut the fuck up. My god this attitude stinks. This is what people THINK is professional, speaking politely and using proper sentences. You know what is actually professional? Fulfilling your goddamn contractual obligations and running your business properly.

Jeez if all it took to be considered professional was politeness then what a world we'd live in. Hint, it'd be shit. Lying is just as easy to do while being polite as it is while being offensive.


Way to rant about a single sentence taken out of context.. that was the only good thing I could say about Own3d, because they did stay polite in the conversation, while Destiny fell back on the standard blackmail and threats. I said something positive and negative about both parties. While everyone else is just pitchforking it up like argh everything's all black and white etc. I wouldn't trust Own3d with my paycheck, but at the same time it's hard to feel sympathy for Destiny. Why everyone else gets all emotionally invested in this I don't know. Just stick with twitch..

what's wrong with you?

IF a person worked for half a year not receiving ANY stable form of payment and you don't feel nothing for him, then obviously something is wrong about you.
Maybe you haven't worked before? Or maybe you don't understand his circumstances just because you don't like the guy?


Said this already... imagine not getting a paycheck for 6 months. Yeah. It sucks. Imagine sucking up your savings because you aren't getting a paycheck, and those bills haven't stopped. Yeah. It also sucks.

Regardless of whether or not you like the guy, he did work, so he deserves to be paid.

In defense of the poor guy getting bashed, Destiny is not an employee of Own3d, he's an independent contractor.

And this wasn't 6 months worth of problems, this came to a head in November when he switched to Twitch. There's a lot that is unsaid about what he was doing for three months while apparently not being paid and then deliberately breaking his contract two weeks before its end date.

I think saying it's hard to sympathize with Destiny was a poor choice of words, but he seemed to have as big a problem with transcoding as he did with not being paid. His story is focused more on trashing Own3d than getting paid, which seems like a douche-y thing to do although the missing piece is that he's given up on getting his money.


It was absolutely 6 months worth of problems, or did you just turn a blind eye to half the article?

It is 6 months worth of problems today on January 18, 2013. It was 3 months worth of problems when he ditched Own3d in mid-November. It's still a big problem, but not as big as the pitchfork crowd is saying.


'The last paycheck I received from own3d was marked for July. I don’t believe I will ever be paid for the last 5 months I streamed with them. I’m trying to keep this as formal and non-sensationalist as possible, but it’s hard to imagine the sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach that I get from even typing that out.'

The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
Guileful
Profile Joined November 2012
Kazakhstan137 Posts
January 18 2013 07:19 GMT
#207
Twitch ftw?
pprrii
Profile Joined September 2012
Russian Federation216 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 07:23:06
January 18 2013 07:19 GMT
#208
On January 18 2013 16:05 FXO.Slavik wrote:
NaVi got contract with Own3d and it was horrible, in the beginning it seemed fine, but we didnt get paid for a long time;; after leaving navi i asked manager if there was any payment, and he said no only promising

so yeah +1 to all the guys who msged

lold
so they are doing it for a loooong time

i wonder is there ANY people who recieve some money for last 6 month?
Herzeleid
Profile Joined May 2010
Spain7 Posts
January 18 2013 07:27 GMT
#209
The good point of this situation is that Own3d will be dead in no time.
All the affected people should work together against Own3d.
ProTech
Profile Joined November 2010
United States465 Posts
January 18 2013 07:29 GMT
#210
On January 18 2013 16:14 vVvRuFF wrote:
As a partner of Own3d.tv I do have to say that after reading Destiny's post I am fully aware of how he feels as I am going through the same problem with being told I'd get paid then hearing absolutely nothing randomly. My payments are backed up 6 months now and lets just say I am missing X amount in K's. I originally was living on the east coast until I had some family related issues and decided to move to the west coast. With no job, I made streaming my primary platform as income until I could find work. My credit cards are backed up a lot right now and still awaiting payment from own3d.tv. I have been rather stressed out (I'm sure people who have bills understand). Thank god I have good credit and am able to hold a lot or I would have gone bankrupt by now.

I am forced to make a very hard call and have decided to move back to the east coast to get my old job back because I haven't been able to find work and with no financel support from my streaming I am out of time. I literally had to make this very hard decision yesterday and now will be leaving on Monday for a good 2000+ mile drive......... So I will be gone from streaming for who knows how long until I get settled again. (Sorry viewers, but I'll be back soon for those who watch)

I just can't seem to understand the issue with own3d.tv.... It is a 50/50 shares so 50% of what you make revenue wise goes to them so they shouldn't have any money issues? It did cause me a huge mess in RL....

I just wish that if Own3d.tv was having issues they would just come straight out and say it! Then I could of prepared for the worse a long time ago.



Basically the same situation I'm in. I don't think they seem to understand what kind of hell they're actually putting some of us through.
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
January 18 2013 07:29 GMT
#211
Didn't know Own3d TV was such a joke...i'm not gonna watch Own3d TV ever again...Twitch TV FTW!
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
January 18 2013 07:29 GMT
#212
It always pisses me off when I read how crap e-sports related things are at holding their end of the bargain. This is especially stupid for things such as tournament winnings, which I'd argue you should have the money ready beforehand, rather than let the sponsers get away with paying late.
I'd imagine streaming sites would be a bit more complicated as there'd be some calculations on exactly how much you earn, but here I'm thinking 1 or 2 months max.
Skoe420
Profile Joined July 2010
United States44 Posts
January 18 2013 07:34 GMT
#213
Destiny is one of the biggest d bags in the gaming scene, I wouldn't pay him a penny either.
If everyone is aware of this, why doesn't everyone just switch to twitch.tv, or any other sites for streams and boycott own3d all together??

User was warned for this post
ProTech
Profile Joined November 2010
United States465 Posts
January 18 2013 07:35 GMT
#214
On January 18 2013 16:34 Skoe420 wrote:
Destiny is one of the biggest d bags in the gaming scene, I wouldn't pay him a penny either.
If everyone is aware of this, why doesn't everyone just switch to twitch.tv, or any other sites for streams and boycott own3d all together??



Does it really matter how much of a D bag someone is? If you sign a contract, and you do the work, then you need to pay the person. It doesn't matter how much of a D bag someone is. Your logic makes absolutely no sense and should get a warning for a dumb post like that.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
January 18 2013 07:36 GMT
#215
On January 18 2013 16:34 Skoe420 wrote:
Destiny is one of the biggest d bags in the gaming scene, I wouldn't pay him a penny either.
If everyone is aware of this, why doesn't everyone just switch to twitch.tv, or any other sites for streams and boycott own3d all together??

Doesn't matter if he's a fucking dbag or the biggest scum alive, a contract's a contract. For the longest time, Destiny was the face of own3d and for them to shaft them like this is pretty pathetic.
God Bless
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 07:40:54
January 18 2013 07:38 GMT
#216
On January 18 2013 16:34 Skoe420 wrote:
Destiny is one of the biggest d bags in the gaming scene, I wouldn't pay him a penny either.
If everyone is aware of this, why doesn't everyone just switch to twitch.tv, or any other sites for streams and boycott own3d all together??


They and many others have signed a fucking contract. While he might be the biggest douchebag, he still has worked for the money that Own3d has promised.

To me it seems like Own3d is financially in a really bad shape. More and more players are coming out with the exact same problem with Own3d, people who are with Own3d right now are moving to another platforms (mostly Twitch) etc.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Rewera
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland354 Posts
January 18 2013 07:42 GMT
#217
Own3d.tv is company from Austria? Who does they belong to?
Maesy
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1444 Posts
January 18 2013 07:43 GMT
#218
On January 18 2013 16:34 Skoe420 wrote:
Destiny is one of the biggest d bags in the gaming scene, I wouldn't pay him a penny either.
If everyone is aware of this, why doesn't everyone just switch to twitch.tv, or any other sites for streams and boycott own3d all together??


He's bringing attention to this issue and putting it out into the open but you're going to go and call him a douchebag when he hasn't gotten the money he's earned and he's supporting a child? Get the fuck out of here.
Official Nathanias Fanclub Manager! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=401880
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
January 18 2013 07:44 GMT
#219
while i don't like destiny at all, own3d is pretty much fucking him over and if this is really how they do business.. i guess i will actively avoid watching their streams now.
SpaceFighting
Profile Joined January 2010
New Zealand690 Posts
January 18 2013 07:45 GMT
#220
wow, really had no idea that own3d was this shady. Really really disappointing, as this was my go-to stream site about a year and abit ago.

Also why do we hate destiny?? such an intelligent individual and i don't really think he's done anything to the community but bring laughter and awesome plays? is it really just cause he switched to LoL?
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