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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
January 18 2013 08:20 GMT
#241
owned.tv's liquidated damages provision is fucking harsh.....
Shieldz
Profile Joined October 2011
Hong Kong18 Posts
January 18 2013 08:21 GMT
#242
the whole st streams on own3d no wonder prime switched to twitch as well
OveRtheStarS
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada69 Posts
January 18 2013 08:22 GMT
#243
Didn't ProTech just go through a similar situation? I thought he switched to Own3d and then ran back to Twitch. Love or hate Destiny, hopefully this provides some illumination on the situation.
If everyone loves you, you're not doing it right.
NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
January 18 2013 08:24 GMT
#244
On January 18 2013 17:04 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 16:56 NoGasfOu wrote:
Bye bye own3d. Hope this is a lesson for twitch. But, I bet people still won't learn the lesson and once in a while another organization or team will pop up doing some sort of scam.


I saw this one Reddit post by a Twitch employee, Justin Wong, being retweeted by TheGunRun. I have MUCH better feeling about Twitch overall compared to Own3d for example, how they operate and run their business, i believe they know what they are doing. So I'm not afraid.

+ Show Spoiler +
Twitch employee here. I've seen the unease that, if competitors are removed from the market, we'll get complacent in development and screw over our streamers. I'd like to allay some of these concerns.
The internet landscape is littered with the corpses of companies that stopped innovating once they took the lead, opening the door for hungry competitors to dethrone them. That's not how we operate at Twitch, which has lead to our success and will hopefully carry us further. While I can't share specifics, I assure you we're not resting on our laurels. Our recent VC funding round is being used to greatly increase our existing infrastructure and hire more employees to continue improving Twitch. Work never stops here, and significant advances are in development for all areas of our product.
Our technology is an advantage but, given identical QoS, you choose a platform because of the content. Keeping partners happy, listening to their needs, and making sure we're doing everything we can to show them we truly appreciate their choice to use Twitch -- that's how you run a business.

I look at Destiny's move from Twitch to own3D last year as a massive success story for our relationship management team. Destiny cited a "personal financial decision" as his reason, but still felt compelled to write 10 paragraphs telling everyone how much he appreciated everyone at Twitch (we didn't ask him to write anything). Money's money, but when someone who makes the choice to go to a competitor leaves you a heartfelt "thank you" on reddit, I consider it a huge win.
We strive to offer deals that are both fair and sustainable. It doesn't do us any good to mistreat our partners because it creates an environment where they resent us and are only with us until a better opportunity comes along. That's completely at odds with our desire to form long-term relationships built on trust and respect. Changing that would be a departure from what has made us the company we are today.

As a final note, despite our competition with own3D, we've always endeavored to keep it respectful. Stuart Saw, a former employee of own3D who is now at Twitch, once told me "there's rivalry, and then there's war." Ultimately, we don't make money from schadenfreude. Twitch is filled with passionate, talented people who truly love what they are doing and believe in the company's vision to create something meaningful and long-lasting. As a fellow start-up, I'd like to believe own3D has similar people.


Reddit post


It's good that twitch is going for the long terms because I've been following them since the justintv days to watch restream hockey games. They were a tiny little website and are now dominating the video streaming field..
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SfynX
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom83 Posts
January 18 2013 08:27 GMT
#245
Ive never been a fan of own3d. Twitch has always in my eyes been a premier streaming website and that wont change. own3d used to be good but i dont even look at it anymore. Unless own3d can resolve this problem quickly then shit will hit the fan!
Shieldz
Profile Joined October 2011
Hong Kong18 Posts
January 18 2013 08:30 GMT
#246
the only time i watch own3d is when MC streams but he streams very little
silverstyle
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore1108 Posts
January 18 2013 08:31 GMT
#247
I never stuck to Own3d. I only watched Own3d for very specific reason e.g. online cups and such. Always felt twitch was the superior streaming site anyway.

But in any case, I hope this prompts Own3d to get their shit together.
Liquid`HerO!!!
tiaz
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden231 Posts
January 18 2013 08:33 GMT
#248
As many people have said before, own3d vods works like shit, you have to let the idiotic thing buffer before you can skip in the vods, thats like 1990 technology...

Also, I would be interested to hear what joindota has to say as they're fronting own3d HARD and has done so pretty much from the beginning...
"When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape." - Iloveoov
SoulS
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany8 Posts
January 18 2013 08:36 GMT
#249
Sc2 Forum not the Forum off dumb reroller

User was temp banned for this post.
I eat little kids
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
January 18 2013 08:36 GMT
#250
I always said Own3d was a shit website, but some streamers still used it over Twitch because "they pay more"... which seems to have been a big lie. So yeah, why doesn't everyone just leave Own3d immediately and start streaming on twitch? Quality, and at least they keep up their end of their bargain, mostly.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
January 18 2013 08:45 GMT
#251
It's cute how when twitch was not giving the players as much money as it seemed like they should because of whatever reasons like ads not playing etc, everyone was bashing how shitty the service twitch offered was. That's all just crap, this has nothing to do with how good either product is.

If a company is this shady or just scamming it's users, it doesn't matter how good the stuff they are offering is. My wishful thinking is it'll all workout in the end, but likely, I'm just hoping that the people using own3d learn a lesson about being careful on the internet. From a legal stand-point of such online business, I'd say there isn't much that can be done.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
January 18 2013 08:51 GMT
#252
Switch to Twitch and it won't make your' money glitch
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
January 18 2013 08:55 GMT
#253
People who stream on Own3d do it because they actually pay more than twitch, but apparently (a lot?) slower. Tobi uses own3d because it's one of the main sponsors of The Defense. My personal experience as a dota 2 viewer is better with own3d. I cannot tell you how many times a Twitch stream was freezing and lagging like hell in every team fight while own3d had no problem. sucks ass that they don't pay their streamers in time or at all, but as far as stream quality goes, my experience is that they're better than twitch.
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
et
Profile Joined September 2010
Switzerland367 Posts
January 18 2013 08:58 GMT
#254
On January 18 2013 17:55 Kabras wrote:
People who stream on Own3d do it because they actually pay more than twitch, but apparently (a lot?) slower. Tobi uses own3d because it's one of the main sponsors of The Defense. My personal experience as a dota 2 viewer is better with own3d. I cannot tell you how many times a Twitch stream was freezing and lagging like hell in every team fight while own3d had no problem. sucks ass that they don't pay their streamers in time or at all, but as far as stream quality goes, my experience is that they're better than twitch.


Well, other people had different experiences. Lots of people complain that the defense is using own3d because of streaming issues.
Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. -- H. L. Mencken
Sozzild
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden5 Posts
January 18 2013 09:03 GMT
#255
2 things

- Is there any official comment coming from own3d ??

and

-Can I please get a link to the EG / Slasher story

Go the Kiwi's
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
January 18 2013 09:03 GMT
#256
On January 18 2013 17:10 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Is there anyone who can translate this to Korean?


Team sponsored by twitch wants to translate a own3d hate speech to korean.

I am totally sure you just want to be infromative and helpful to the community. No toughts behind the scenes.

User was temp banned for this post.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10165 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 09:13:33
January 18 2013 09:08 GMT
#257
On January 18 2013 18:03 Sea_Food wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 17:10 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Is there anyone who can translate this to Korean?


Team sponsored by twitch wants to translate a own3d hate speech to korean.

I am totally sure you just want to be infromative and helpful to the community. No toughts behind the scenes.


¿?¿?¿?

If it was only Destiny's case.... this is not about twitch vs own3d, it's about people who are trying to set up a stream, or whatever, to know what's going on with own3d behind the scenes. Specially people who ARE SIGNING A CONTRACT.
tredogz
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada170 Posts
January 18 2013 09:09 GMT
#258
That is really too bad, I can stand dishonest people. I trust Destiny, I am never visiting that site again, I hope streamers are able to leave to another provider.
t to the redogz, tredogz
Eeeegor
Profile Joined April 2005
Australia809 Posts
January 18 2013 09:10 GMT
#259
Sucks to hear this happening :/
Day9 Made Me Do It
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
January 18 2013 09:26 GMT
#260
so lets get some pitchforks, anyone?
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