EPTOn January 18 2013 10:35 LeafMeAlone wrote:
From his site, wouldn't want him getting site views now would we =O
Your signature:From his site, wouldn't want him getting site views now would we =O
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Color me unsurprised.Destiny: Own3d paying streamers late, not fulfilling contr…
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DharmaTurtle
United States283 Posts
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Spooony
United Kingdom108 Posts
On January 18 2013 15:26 Bagration wrote: Jesus, that is quite a big deal. Why the hell was this kept silent for so long? I'm surprised that this did not get attention earlier. My bet is that people haven't said anything because they are all hoping that the money would come through. I think Destiny has just resigned himself to never getting the money, so has just decided to shame Own3d. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On January 18 2013 15:07 aka_star wrote: I'm not sure TB's point fulfills the criteria of what professionalism is though... yes its more than speaking politely but failing to meet contractual obligations under x circumstances does not mean a lack of professionalism as a number of factors could influence ones ability to complete, Most recently the slasher incident. Where EG promise more click traffic due to announcement which was blown before hand by slasher resulting in EG not meet that obligation but does that mean a lack of professionalism? I wouldn't think so.... but I do agree with the sentiment that is the wild west at the moment. My take is that we are moving into an age of 'attention' economics and being so new like the gold rush we're still waiting for stability which requires a number of booms and bust cycles to weed out the root. Actually, from a normal business standpoint, that DOES mean that EG lacked professionalism. Don't get me wrong, I take EG's side in the matter, but one of the reasons EG can be so angry at Slasher is because Slasher makes EG look so unprofessional by not being able to keep their own confidential information under wraps. Organizations need to be talking to other organizations to make sure no information is leaked, but not enough is being done to do so. Overall, the scene needs a big make over in order to move forward professionally, and some people are taking steps to help out, but EG looks bad due to their inability to keep Slasher from spilling the beans. So your example used to counteract TB's point is not a good one whatsoever. You are right though in that this is an unstable period that needs to be looked at with economic logic and a plan come up with to make sure eSports comes out ahead and with a stable future afterwards. Own3d has never been a great provider. They were a cheap alternative to Twitch, and they were mostly taken up by people who were promised a lot of stuff or who couldn't get sponsorships from Twitch (or Own3d just promised more). Twitch has always been better overall, in absolutely every single way. It wouldn't surprise me if Own3d has been cheating players, but aside from that, the only thing left to say is that activity like that is what's hurting the progress of the scene. Only thing to hope is that people learn from this and everyone moves forward positively. | ||
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forgehammer
United States79 Posts
On January 18 2013 15:09 DavoS wrote: Twitch isn't getting mixed up in nonsense like this, right? own3d not paying sucks, just like the quality of streaming they have, so I think it'd actually better if esports rallied unanimously behind a company like Twitch I think having some competition would be better than only having Twitch, just like having Dreamhack and MLG both exist is key. Own3d seems to be dedicated to kneecapping themselves though, so I guess it already isn't real competition. Also, props to TL for putting this on the front page. | ||
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Siwelcela
United States87 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On January 18 2013 15:26 coverpunch wrote: In defense of the poor guy getting bashed, Destiny is not an employee of Own3d, he's an independent contractor. And this wasn't 6 months worth of problems, this came to a head in November when he switched to Twitch. There's a lot that is unsaid about what he was doing for three months while apparently not being paid and then deliberately breaking his contract two weeks before its end date. I think saying it's hard to sympathize with Destiny was a poor choice of words, but he seemed to have as big a problem with transcoding as he did with not being paid. His story is focused more on trashing Own3d than getting paid, which seems like a douche-y thing to do although the missing piece is that he's given up on getting his money. It was absolutely 6 months worth of problems, or did you just turn a blind eye to half the article? | ||
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Spooony
United Kingdom108 Posts
On January 18 2013 15:33 Siwelcela wrote: After it being late or not paid after like 6 weeks that should have been a red flag. Needed to lawyer up then and there. Im aware his money is tight but Own3d streams are garbage and have been that way for so long, why would someone pulling in his kind of numbers risk going to such a low quality service like them. :/ not a fan of destiny but no one should have to put up with this bs from anyone, hope he can get a lawyer together and get his money and then some. International law suit on a streamer's (who isn't being payed) salary... Yeah.... Sure.... | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On January 18 2013 15:33 Siwelcela wrote: After it being late or not paid after like 6 weeks that should have been a red flag. Needed to lawyer up then and there. Im aware his money is tight but Own3d streams are garbage and have been that way for so long, why would someone pulling in his kind of numbers risk going to such a low quality service like them. :/ not a fan of destiny but no one should have to put up with this bs from anyone, hope he can get a lawyer together and get his money and then some. I dunno about lawyer up but I totally agree that he needed to take much more aggressive action after the first payment was weeks late. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On January 18 2013 15:33 ch33psh33p wrote: It was absolutely 6 months worth of problems, or did you just turn a blind eye to half the article? It is 6 months worth of problems today on January 18, 2013. It was 3 months worth of problems when he ditched Own3d in mid-November. It's still a big problem, but not as big as the pitchfork crowd is saying. | ||
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Sylfyre
Australia222 Posts
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ETisME
12499 Posts
On January 18 2013 15:19 Rah wrote: I'll do one more comment on here for the people who are illiterate enough to keep fueling this argument, or maybe I wasn't clear. I never sided against Destiny on this. I said I couldn't sympathize with him, because he's done worse shit. I never sided with Own3d, I don't plan to use that site unless this somehow gets cleared up. Anyone still throwing the accusation around after that, I can't help you. You clowns are just looking for someone to rage at. Done worse shit? Are you saying Shit talking and racists are worse than not paying for legit working hours? I don't think it's hard to feel sympathy for those who worked and didn't get paid, even if they have done "worse shit" and obviously it shouldn't be. Thanks for letting us know you ain't using own3d but we don't care. We care for those who have used the service and got delayed payment like dimaga. Destiny has posted so to let the community know more about what happen with own3d as a warning to the others like you, so you can say things like just "stick with twitch" | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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Stonedviper
74 Posts
I guess karma really is what people claim her to be. Own3d should have cancelled his contract like most of his other sponsors at the same time he got booted out of SC2. Should have stayed with the proven, reliable Twitch. | ||
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Kevn23
United States80 Posts
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ProTech
United States437 Posts
I wouldn't recommend own3d.tv to anyone who expects to get paid for streaming as they simply don't pay on time. Needless to say my life has been a mess since I started streaming with them. And i'm still owed around 4 grand from them | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On January 18 2013 15:51 Stonedviper wrote: I'm sure it's been said in the previous 10 pages but sounds like he got Own3d by Own3d.tv. I guess karma really is what people claim her to be. Own3d should have cancelled his contract like most of his other sponsors at the same time he got booted out of SC2. Should have stayed with the proven, reliable Twitch. You seem a bit upset, and to be taking part in schadenfreude over a guy with a kid getting completely screwed out of money he needs. Classy post. Also twitch is still mediocre, streaming in general is. Either you have ridiculous viewer counts and a sub button or you get just enough money to drink yourself to sleep regularly. Youtube is and always has been better for money if you get a good following. | ||
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WetSocks
United States953 Posts
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jexxto
United Kingdom284 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On January 18 2013 15:51 Stonedviper wrote: I'm sure it's been said in the previous 10 pages but sounds like he got Own3d by Own3d.tv. I guess karma really is what people claim her to be. Own3d should have cancelled his contract like most of his other sponsors at the same time he got booted out of SC2. Should have stayed with the proven, reliable Twitch. What's wrong with you? Also, he didn't get "booted out" of Starcraft 2. He just switched games. | ||
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HappyZerGling
Ukraine161 Posts
 only promisingso yeah +1 to all the guys who msged | ||
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