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tReaper
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia90 Posts
January 13 2013 05:43 GMT
#61
That's unfortunate.
Treat others the way you would like to be treated yourself. ^_^
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 05:50:28
January 13 2013 05:50 GMT
#62
This doesn't mean the complexity team has disbanded... does it?
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
January 13 2013 05:51 GMT
#63
sad. that was such a sweet house T_T
SecondHand
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States329 Posts
January 13 2013 05:56 GMT
#64
This is too bad for coL... TT
Ladder more, win less
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
January 13 2013 06:01 GMT
#65
Well gotta say that didn't last long. Longtime investment ... right.
Best of luck to the guys staying there, i hope at home they get there practice.
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
January 13 2013 06:19 GMT
#66
On January 13 2013 14:36 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 14:13 AstroPegnuin wrote:
Honestly pro gaming houses are not worth it if the players in them self aren't willing to put in the effort, Gaging from the majority of results from the Complexity players we can probably guess that they weren't putting in actual korean level of effort and thus the investment was no where near profitable for Complexity.


Uhm... the players were obviously getting better.

Yeah, but getting better still doesn't justify a mansion. Not yet at least.
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
t e a C h e r
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada151 Posts
January 13 2013 06:33 GMT
#67
This sucks for coL

Was cool having more team houses in america, but i guess America and eSports are just not meant to be at this moment.
@bullscent , twitch: teacherwish
ZeeSC2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States134 Posts
January 13 2013 06:46 GMT
#68
Sad to see, but it's what needed to be done. Rather see the house close down than see the team close down.
AllHailTheDead
Profile Joined July 2011
United States418 Posts
January 13 2013 06:48 GMT
#69
On January 13 2013 14:36 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 13:51 echO [W] wrote:
I'm not sure about the housing prices in Houston, but is it me or are teams renting houses that are a bit bigger and flashier than they need to be?

I'm not saying teams should go Korean-style and cram 6 people in a room, but the coL house looked like a mansion.

Does it also have to be a house-house? What about renting a big apartment?


Exactly this. I feel like teams are more worried about what the public thinks when they see a 15 bedroom mansion for progaming than the cost and commitment associated with the house.



But what you dont understand is that a big house in Texas is like the same price as a medium house in california



I mean its one of the reasons EG house is in Arizona, Cheap living
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 07:11:44
January 13 2013 07:03 GMT
#70
On January 13 2013 14:13 AstroPegnuin wrote:
Honestly pro gaming houses are not worth it if the players in them self aren't willing to put in the effort, Gauging from the majority of results from the Complexity players we can probably guess that they weren't putting in actual Korean level of effort and thus the investment was no where near profitable for Complexity.


Don't blame the players on this lol. It's really short-sighted to do so. There are many contributing factors as to why these players and foreigners in general aren't code S tournament-winning caliber. You can't just blindly say they don't have the necessary drive or determination. It might or it might not be the case but you actually can't say without proof.

There's a lack of resources available to foreigners: no mid-level tournaments (these give exposure and a stepping stone to the higher-skilled international tournaments), the lack of a quality ladder like the KR server for practice, no coaches, USA being spread out as fuck unlike Korea, etc. The list goes on and on and you can't just point to them being "lazy" as the cause.
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 07:26:17
January 13 2013 07:19 GMT
#71
On January 13 2013 16:03 ROOTheognis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 14:13 AstroPegnuin wrote:
Honestly pro gaming houses are not worth it if the players in them self aren't willing to put in the effort, Gauging from the majority of results from the Complexity players we can probably guess that they weren't putting in actual Korean level of effort and thus the investment was no where near profitable for Complexity.


Don't blame the players on this lol. It's really short-sighted to do so. There are many contributing factors as to why these players and foreigners in general aren't code S tournament-winning caliber. You can't just blindly say they don't have the necessary drive or determination. It might or it might not be the case but you actually can't say without proof.

There's a lack of resources available to foreigners: no mid-level tournaments (these give exposure and a stepping stone to the higher-skilled international tournaments), the lack of a quality ladder like the KR server for practice, no coaches, USA being spread out as fuck unlike Korea, etc. The list goes on and on and you can't just point to them being "lazy" as the cause.

Don't just hate on the house because it was big. They could have easily just downgraded to a small suburban 1-story house if they wanted to. What would be your excuse to whine now if they did that?

The fact of the matter is, it's just not a profitable endeavor to have a team house AT ALL in the west. Doesn't matter if it's big or small, the return of investment for the most part isn't there quite yet.

I was not hating or whining. I was merely offering my opinion on the fact that leasing such a large property at this time in eSports may not have been the best thing to do even if they were just getting better.

Lets say they did rent a small one story house and they decided to close it down, that's fine its not profitable. You yourself just said it, its not profitable at all in the west to have a team house why would you lease/rent one that is of such size? Obviously I don't know the cost of such, maybe they had a great deal, but from my own speculation it seems as if they could have done things a bit differently.

As for an ROI, shouldn't a team house be viewed as a long term investment?

I'm obviously speaking as an outsider, but I feel like something like a team house should start on a smaller scale, and have a team grow into it and expand should they need to. Not every team is EG and has money to spend, and even EG decided to locate their facility in Phoenix, AZ which is if I'm not mistaken, a relatively low cost area to live.
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
BoB_KiLLeR
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain620 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 07:25:48
January 13 2013 07:24 GMT
#72
If it wasn't for EG & ROOT, the NA teams would be completely dead.
phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
January 13 2013 07:27 GMT
#73
Too much too early. Sucks that they can't manage it but I think it's obvious that team houses are way too expensive at the moment considering the money flow in the space.
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
January 13 2013 07:29 GMT
#74
Qxc, goswser and the others will rage switch to LoL or something. You heard it here first.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
January 13 2013 07:36 GMT
#75
It's only 20 minutes away from where I live and I never got to visit...
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
BoB_KiLLeR
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain620 Posts
January 13 2013 07:37 GMT
#76
On January 13 2013 16:29 Sea_Food wrote:
Qxc, goswser and the others will rage switch to LoL or something. You heard it here first.


Exactly.

Cuz goswser is still playing in CoL.
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
January 13 2013 07:40 GMT
#77
Complexity really wasn't paying anything for the house.

It wasn't a loss at all for them by any means.



also... Complexity is based upon more than just SC2.
Ero-Sennin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States756 Posts
January 13 2013 07:50 GMT
#78
We need dem green backs for a LoL team shit is getting expensive man!

I'm kidding though who knows what they'll spend it on. Maybe we can get a unicorn. That'd be.. well, gay, but in a special way.
Luck makes talent look like genius.
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 07:55:52
January 13 2013 07:55 GMT
#79
On January 13 2013 16:19 echO [W] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 16:03 ROOTheognis wrote:
On January 13 2013 14:13 AstroPegnuin wrote:
Honestly pro gaming houses are not worth it if the players in them self aren't willing to put in the effort, Gauging from the majority of results from the Complexity players we can probably guess that they weren't putting in actual Korean level of effort and thus the investment was no where near profitable for Complexity.


Don't blame the players on this lol. It's really short-sighted to do so. There are many contributing factors as to why these players and foreigners in general aren't code S tournament-winning caliber. You can't just blindly say they don't have the necessary drive or determination. It might or it might not be the case but you actually can't say without proof.

There's a lack of resources available to foreigners: no mid-level tournaments (these give exposure and a stepping stone to the higher-skilled international tournaments), the lack of a quality ladder like the KR server for practice, no coaches, USA being spread out as fuck unlike Korea, etc. The list goes on and on and you can't just point to them being "lazy" as the cause.

Show nested quote +
Don't just hate on the house because it was big. They could have easily just downgraded to a small suburban 1-story house if they wanted to. What would be your excuse to whine now if they did that?

The fact of the matter is, it's just not a profitable endeavor to have a team house AT ALL in the west. Doesn't matter if it's big or small, the return of investment for the most part isn't there quite yet.

I was not hating or whining. I was merely offering my opinion on the fact that leasing such a large property at this time in eSports may not have been the best thing to do even if they were just getting better.

Lets say they did rent a small one story house and they decided to close it down, that's fine its not profitable. You yourself just said it, its not profitable at all in the west to have a team house why would you lease/rent one that is of such size? Obviously I don't know the cost of such, maybe they had a great deal, but from my own speculation it seems as if they could have done things a bit differently.

As for an ROI, shouldn't a team house be viewed as a long term investment?

I'm obviously speaking as an outsider, but I feel like something like a team house should start on a smaller scale, and have a team grow into it and expand should they need to. Not every team is EG and has money to spend, and even EG decided to locate their facility in Phoenix, AZ which is if I'm not mistaken, a relatively low cost area to live.


I deleted my post before u responded lol. I misread it. Anyways, my main point was more towards the other dude.
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
January 13 2013 08:04 GMT
#80
On January 13 2013 12:24 nooboon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 12:17 Fionn wrote:
So Azubu is out on Polt, EG or TL is unlikely, and Complexity closed their house.

Incoming Polt.Polt.


FXO.NA.POLT? Still an option although its starting to look like Polt will have to forgo joining a team. CSL still an option though.


Polt coming to my college :D :D :D
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