• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:40
CET 17:40
KST 01:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy7ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool48Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site ASL21 General Discussion KK Platform will provide 1 million CNY Recent recommended BW games Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group C [ASL21] Ro24 Group A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group B
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Darkest Dungeon Path of Exile
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1221 users

compLexity gaming house closes - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
186 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 Next All
tReaper
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia90 Posts
January 13 2013 05:43 GMT
#61
That's unfortunate.
Treat others the way you would like to be treated yourself. ^_^
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 05:50:28
January 13 2013 05:50 GMT
#62
This doesn't mean the complexity team has disbanded... does it?
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
January 13 2013 05:51 GMT
#63
sad. that was such a sweet house T_T
SecondHand
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States329 Posts
January 13 2013 05:56 GMT
#64
This is too bad for coL... TT
Ladder more, win less
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
January 13 2013 06:01 GMT
#65
Well gotta say that didn't last long. Longtime investment ... right.
Best of luck to the guys staying there, i hope at home they get there practice.
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
January 13 2013 06:19 GMT
#66
On January 13 2013 14:36 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 14:13 AstroPegnuin wrote:
Honestly pro gaming houses are not worth it if the players in them self aren't willing to put in the effort, Gaging from the majority of results from the Complexity players we can probably guess that they weren't putting in actual korean level of effort and thus the investment was no where near profitable for Complexity.


Uhm... the players were obviously getting better.

Yeah, but getting better still doesn't justify a mansion. Not yet at least.
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
t e a C h e r
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada151 Posts
January 13 2013 06:33 GMT
#67
This sucks for coL

Was cool having more team houses in america, but i guess America and eSports are just not meant to be at this moment.
@bullscent , twitch: teacherwish
ZeeSC2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States134 Posts
January 13 2013 06:46 GMT
#68
Sad to see, but it's what needed to be done. Rather see the house close down than see the team close down.
AllHailTheDead
Profile Joined July 2011
United States418 Posts
January 13 2013 06:48 GMT
#69
On January 13 2013 14:36 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 13:51 echO [W] wrote:
I'm not sure about the housing prices in Houston, but is it me or are teams renting houses that are a bit bigger and flashier than they need to be?

I'm not saying teams should go Korean-style and cram 6 people in a room, but the coL house looked like a mansion.

Does it also have to be a house-house? What about renting a big apartment?


Exactly this. I feel like teams are more worried about what the public thinks when they see a 15 bedroom mansion for progaming than the cost and commitment associated with the house.



But what you dont understand is that a big house in Texas is like the same price as a medium house in california



I mean its one of the reasons EG house is in Arizona, Cheap living
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 07:11:44
January 13 2013 07:03 GMT
#70
On January 13 2013 14:13 AstroPegnuin wrote:
Honestly pro gaming houses are not worth it if the players in them self aren't willing to put in the effort, Gauging from the majority of results from the Complexity players we can probably guess that they weren't putting in actual Korean level of effort and thus the investment was no where near profitable for Complexity.


Don't blame the players on this lol. It's really short-sighted to do so. There are many contributing factors as to why these players and foreigners in general aren't code S tournament-winning caliber. You can't just blindly say they don't have the necessary drive or determination. It might or it might not be the case but you actually can't say without proof.

There's a lack of resources available to foreigners: no mid-level tournaments (these give exposure and a stepping stone to the higher-skilled international tournaments), the lack of a quality ladder like the KR server for practice, no coaches, USA being spread out as fuck unlike Korea, etc. The list goes on and on and you can't just point to them being "lazy" as the cause.
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 07:26:17
January 13 2013 07:19 GMT
#71
On January 13 2013 16:03 ROOTheognis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 14:13 AstroPegnuin wrote:
Honestly pro gaming houses are not worth it if the players in them self aren't willing to put in the effort, Gauging from the majority of results from the Complexity players we can probably guess that they weren't putting in actual Korean level of effort and thus the investment was no where near profitable for Complexity.


Don't blame the players on this lol. It's really short-sighted to do so. There are many contributing factors as to why these players and foreigners in general aren't code S tournament-winning caliber. You can't just blindly say they don't have the necessary drive or determination. It might or it might not be the case but you actually can't say without proof.

There's a lack of resources available to foreigners: no mid-level tournaments (these give exposure and a stepping stone to the higher-skilled international tournaments), the lack of a quality ladder like the KR server for practice, no coaches, USA being spread out as fuck unlike Korea, etc. The list goes on and on and you can't just point to them being "lazy" as the cause.

Don't just hate on the house because it was big. They could have easily just downgraded to a small suburban 1-story house if they wanted to. What would be your excuse to whine now if they did that?

The fact of the matter is, it's just not a profitable endeavor to have a team house AT ALL in the west. Doesn't matter if it's big or small, the return of investment for the most part isn't there quite yet.

I was not hating or whining. I was merely offering my opinion on the fact that leasing such a large property at this time in eSports may not have been the best thing to do even if they were just getting better.

Lets say they did rent a small one story house and they decided to close it down, that's fine its not profitable. You yourself just said it, its not profitable at all in the west to have a team house why would you lease/rent one that is of such size? Obviously I don't know the cost of such, maybe they had a great deal, but from my own speculation it seems as if they could have done things a bit differently.

As for an ROI, shouldn't a team house be viewed as a long term investment?

I'm obviously speaking as an outsider, but I feel like something like a team house should start on a smaller scale, and have a team grow into it and expand should they need to. Not every team is EG and has money to spend, and even EG decided to locate their facility in Phoenix, AZ which is if I'm not mistaken, a relatively low cost area to live.
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
BoB_KiLLeR
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain620 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 07:25:48
January 13 2013 07:24 GMT
#72
If it wasn't for EG & ROOT, the NA teams would be completely dead.
phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
January 13 2013 07:27 GMT
#73
Too much too early. Sucks that they can't manage it but I think it's obvious that team houses are way too expensive at the moment considering the money flow in the space.
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
January 13 2013 07:29 GMT
#74
Qxc, goswser and the others will rage switch to LoL or something. You heard it here first.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
January 13 2013 07:36 GMT
#75
--- Nuked ---
BoB_KiLLeR
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain620 Posts
January 13 2013 07:37 GMT
#76
On January 13 2013 16:29 Sea_Food wrote:
Qxc, goswser and the others will rage switch to LoL or something. You heard it here first.


Exactly.

Cuz goswser is still playing in CoL.
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
January 13 2013 07:40 GMT
#77
Complexity really wasn't paying anything for the house.

It wasn't a loss at all for them by any means.



also... Complexity is based upon more than just SC2.
Ero-Sennin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States756 Posts
January 13 2013 07:50 GMT
#78
We need dem green backs for a LoL team shit is getting expensive man!

I'm kidding though who knows what they'll spend it on. Maybe we can get a unicorn. That'd be.. well, gay, but in a special way.
Luck makes talent look like genius.
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 07:55:52
January 13 2013 07:55 GMT
#79
On January 13 2013 16:19 echO [W] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 16:03 ROOTheognis wrote:
On January 13 2013 14:13 AstroPegnuin wrote:
Honestly pro gaming houses are not worth it if the players in them self aren't willing to put in the effort, Gauging from the majority of results from the Complexity players we can probably guess that they weren't putting in actual Korean level of effort and thus the investment was no where near profitable for Complexity.


Don't blame the players on this lol. It's really short-sighted to do so. There are many contributing factors as to why these players and foreigners in general aren't code S tournament-winning caliber. You can't just blindly say they don't have the necessary drive or determination. It might or it might not be the case but you actually can't say without proof.

There's a lack of resources available to foreigners: no mid-level tournaments (these give exposure and a stepping stone to the higher-skilled international tournaments), the lack of a quality ladder like the KR server for practice, no coaches, USA being spread out as fuck unlike Korea, etc. The list goes on and on and you can't just point to them being "lazy" as the cause.

Show nested quote +
Don't just hate on the house because it was big. They could have easily just downgraded to a small suburban 1-story house if they wanted to. What would be your excuse to whine now if they did that?

The fact of the matter is, it's just not a profitable endeavor to have a team house AT ALL in the west. Doesn't matter if it's big or small, the return of investment for the most part isn't there quite yet.

I was not hating or whining. I was merely offering my opinion on the fact that leasing such a large property at this time in eSports may not have been the best thing to do even if they were just getting better.

Lets say they did rent a small one story house and they decided to close it down, that's fine its not profitable. You yourself just said it, its not profitable at all in the west to have a team house why would you lease/rent one that is of such size? Obviously I don't know the cost of such, maybe they had a great deal, but from my own speculation it seems as if they could have done things a bit differently.

As for an ROI, shouldn't a team house be viewed as a long term investment?

I'm obviously speaking as an outsider, but I feel like something like a team house should start on a smaller scale, and have a team grow into it and expand should they need to. Not every team is EG and has money to spend, and even EG decided to locate their facility in Phoenix, AZ which is if I'm not mistaken, a relatively low cost area to live.


I deleted my post before u responded lol. I misread it. Anyways, my main point was more towards the other dude.
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
January 13 2013 08:04 GMT
#80
On January 13 2013 12:24 nooboon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 12:17 Fionn wrote:
So Azubu is out on Polt, EG or TL is unlikely, and Complexity closed their house.

Incoming Polt.Polt.


FXO.NA.POLT? Still an option although its starting to look like Polt will have to forgo joining a team. CSL still an option though.


Polt coming to my college :D :D :D
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
15:30
FSL s10 FINALS! PTB vs POG
Freeedom35
Liquipedia
Platinum Heroes Events
15:00
PHSC2 Tour S26 Cup #2
SteadfastSC169
CranKy Ducklings95
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 169
gerald23 36
SC2Nice 8
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 40469
Jaedong 2600
Mini 1091
Stork 479
Soma 344
Shuttle 330
actioN 314
EffOrt 232
firebathero 230
HiyA 151
[ Show more ]
hero 129
Soulkey 93
Hyun 63
sSak 50
sorry 44
ToSsGirL 30
Light 29
Movie 29
Hm[arnc] 25
yabsab 21
GoRush 15
IntoTheRainbow 12
SilentControl 9
Terrorterran 8
Dota 2
Gorgc7268
qojqva1824
League of Legends
Reynor53
Counter-Strike
fl0m3144
byalli707
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox222
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor520
Liquid`Hasu455
Trikslyr45
MindelVK14
Other Games
FrodaN5989
ArmadaUGS2196
Grubby1108
B2W.Neo881
mouzStarbuck161
KnowMe149
Fuzer 145
ToD62
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1818
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 617
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• EnkiAlexander 47
• Shameless 24
• musti20045 10
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP4
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach39
• blackmanpl 21
• Michael_bg 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1971
Other Games
• Shiphtur44
Upcoming Events
BSL
3h 20m
RSL Revival
17h 20m
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
19h 20m
BSL
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 7h
Replay Cast
1d 16h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 17h
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
1d 18h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 23h
OSC
2 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-27
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.