• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:19
CEST 12:19
KST 19:19
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down10ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League53Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.165
StarCraft 2
General
REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.16 No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Evil Geniuses - shutting down How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR?
Tourneys
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Do we even care about balance? [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos Rollback Netcode in Brood War BW General Discussion Young Players Tournament Announced by SOOP
Tourneys
[BSL23] RO24 Group Stage [ASL22] Grand Finals [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Artificial Intelligence Thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Chess Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion!
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7180 users

compLexity gaming house closes - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
186 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 Next All
tReaper
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia90 Posts
January 13 2013 05:43 GMT
#61
That's unfortunate.
Treat others the way you would like to be treated yourself. ^_^
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 05:50:28
January 13 2013 05:50 GMT
#62
This doesn't mean the complexity team has disbanded... does it?
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
January 13 2013 05:51 GMT
#63
sad. that was such a sweet house T_T
SecondHand
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States329 Posts
January 13 2013 05:56 GMT
#64
This is too bad for coL... TT
Ladder more, win less
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
January 13 2013 06:01 GMT
#65
Well gotta say that didn't last long. Longtime investment ... right.
Best of luck to the guys staying there, i hope at home they get there practice.
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
January 13 2013 06:19 GMT
#66
On January 13 2013 14:36 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 14:13 AstroPegnuin wrote:
Honestly pro gaming houses are not worth it if the players in them self aren't willing to put in the effort, Gaging from the majority of results from the Complexity players we can probably guess that they weren't putting in actual korean level of effort and thus the investment was no where near profitable for Complexity.


Uhm... the players were obviously getting better.

Yeah, but getting better still doesn't justify a mansion. Not yet at least.
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
t e a C h e r
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada151 Posts
January 13 2013 06:33 GMT
#67
This sucks for coL

Was cool having more team houses in america, but i guess America and eSports are just not meant to be at this moment.
@bullscent , twitch: teacherwish
ZeeSC2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States134 Posts
January 13 2013 06:46 GMT
#68
Sad to see, but it's what needed to be done. Rather see the house close down than see the team close down.
AllHailTheDead
Profile Joined July 2011
United States418 Posts
January 13 2013 06:48 GMT
#69
On January 13 2013 14:36 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 13:51 echO [W] wrote:
I'm not sure about the housing prices in Houston, but is it me or are teams renting houses that are a bit bigger and flashier than they need to be?

I'm not saying teams should go Korean-style and cram 6 people in a room, but the coL house looked like a mansion.

Does it also have to be a house-house? What about renting a big apartment?


Exactly this. I feel like teams are more worried about what the public thinks when they see a 15 bedroom mansion for progaming than the cost and commitment associated with the house.



But what you dont understand is that a big house in Texas is like the same price as a medium house in california



I mean its one of the reasons EG house is in Arizona, Cheap living
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 07:11:44
January 13 2013 07:03 GMT
#70
On January 13 2013 14:13 AstroPegnuin wrote:
Honestly pro gaming houses are not worth it if the players in them self aren't willing to put in the effort, Gauging from the majority of results from the Complexity players we can probably guess that they weren't putting in actual Korean level of effort and thus the investment was no where near profitable for Complexity.


Don't blame the players on this lol. It's really short-sighted to do so. There are many contributing factors as to why these players and foreigners in general aren't code S tournament-winning caliber. You can't just blindly say they don't have the necessary drive or determination. It might or it might not be the case but you actually can't say without proof.

There's a lack of resources available to foreigners: no mid-level tournaments (these give exposure and a stepping stone to the higher-skilled international tournaments), the lack of a quality ladder like the KR server for practice, no coaches, USA being spread out as fuck unlike Korea, etc. The list goes on and on and you can't just point to them being "lazy" as the cause.
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 07:26:17
January 13 2013 07:19 GMT
#71
On January 13 2013 16:03 ROOTheognis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 14:13 AstroPegnuin wrote:
Honestly pro gaming houses are not worth it if the players in them self aren't willing to put in the effort, Gauging from the majority of results from the Complexity players we can probably guess that they weren't putting in actual Korean level of effort and thus the investment was no where near profitable for Complexity.


Don't blame the players on this lol. It's really short-sighted to do so. There are many contributing factors as to why these players and foreigners in general aren't code S tournament-winning caliber. You can't just blindly say they don't have the necessary drive or determination. It might or it might not be the case but you actually can't say without proof.

There's a lack of resources available to foreigners: no mid-level tournaments (these give exposure and a stepping stone to the higher-skilled international tournaments), the lack of a quality ladder like the KR server for practice, no coaches, USA being spread out as fuck unlike Korea, etc. The list goes on and on and you can't just point to them being "lazy" as the cause.

Don't just hate on the house because it was big. They could have easily just downgraded to a small suburban 1-story house if they wanted to. What would be your excuse to whine now if they did that?

The fact of the matter is, it's just not a profitable endeavor to have a team house AT ALL in the west. Doesn't matter if it's big or small, the return of investment for the most part isn't there quite yet.

I was not hating or whining. I was merely offering my opinion on the fact that leasing such a large property at this time in eSports may not have been the best thing to do even if they were just getting better.

Lets say they did rent a small one story house and they decided to close it down, that's fine its not profitable. You yourself just said it, its not profitable at all in the west to have a team house why would you lease/rent one that is of such size? Obviously I don't know the cost of such, maybe they had a great deal, but from my own speculation it seems as if they could have done things a bit differently.

As for an ROI, shouldn't a team house be viewed as a long term investment?

I'm obviously speaking as an outsider, but I feel like something like a team house should start on a smaller scale, and have a team grow into it and expand should they need to. Not every team is EG and has money to spend, and even EG decided to locate their facility in Phoenix, AZ which is if I'm not mistaken, a relatively low cost area to live.
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
BoB_KiLLeR
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain620 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 07:25:48
January 13 2013 07:24 GMT
#72
If it wasn't for EG & ROOT, the NA teams would be completely dead.
phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
January 13 2013 07:27 GMT
#73
Too much too early. Sucks that they can't manage it but I think it's obvious that team houses are way too expensive at the moment considering the money flow in the space.
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
January 13 2013 07:29 GMT
#74
Qxc, goswser and the others will rage switch to LoL or something. You heard it here first.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
January 13 2013 07:36 GMT
#75
--- Nuked ---
BoB_KiLLeR
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain620 Posts
January 13 2013 07:37 GMT
#76
On January 13 2013 16:29 Sea_Food wrote:
Qxc, goswser and the others will rage switch to LoL or something. You heard it here first.


Exactly.

Cuz goswser is still playing in CoL.
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
January 13 2013 07:40 GMT
#77
Complexity really wasn't paying anything for the house.

It wasn't a loss at all for them by any means.



also... Complexity is based upon more than just SC2.
Ero-Sennin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States756 Posts
January 13 2013 07:50 GMT
#78
We need dem green backs for a LoL team shit is getting expensive man!

I'm kidding though who knows what they'll spend it on. Maybe we can get a unicorn. That'd be.. well, gay, but in a special way.
Luck makes talent look like genius.
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 07:55:52
January 13 2013 07:55 GMT
#79
On January 13 2013 16:19 echO [W] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 16:03 ROOTheognis wrote:
On January 13 2013 14:13 AstroPegnuin wrote:
Honestly pro gaming houses are not worth it if the players in them self aren't willing to put in the effort, Gauging from the majority of results from the Complexity players we can probably guess that they weren't putting in actual Korean level of effort and thus the investment was no where near profitable for Complexity.


Don't blame the players on this lol. It's really short-sighted to do so. There are many contributing factors as to why these players and foreigners in general aren't code S tournament-winning caliber. You can't just blindly say they don't have the necessary drive or determination. It might or it might not be the case but you actually can't say without proof.

There's a lack of resources available to foreigners: no mid-level tournaments (these give exposure and a stepping stone to the higher-skilled international tournaments), the lack of a quality ladder like the KR server for practice, no coaches, USA being spread out as fuck unlike Korea, etc. The list goes on and on and you can't just point to them being "lazy" as the cause.

Show nested quote +
Don't just hate on the house because it was big. They could have easily just downgraded to a small suburban 1-story house if they wanted to. What would be your excuse to whine now if they did that?

The fact of the matter is, it's just not a profitable endeavor to have a team house AT ALL in the west. Doesn't matter if it's big or small, the return of investment for the most part isn't there quite yet.

I was not hating or whining. I was merely offering my opinion on the fact that leasing such a large property at this time in eSports may not have been the best thing to do even if they were just getting better.

Lets say they did rent a small one story house and they decided to close it down, that's fine its not profitable. You yourself just said it, its not profitable at all in the west to have a team house why would you lease/rent one that is of such size? Obviously I don't know the cost of such, maybe they had a great deal, but from my own speculation it seems as if they could have done things a bit differently.

As for an ROI, shouldn't a team house be viewed as a long term investment?

I'm obviously speaking as an outsider, but I feel like something like a team house should start on a smaller scale, and have a team grow into it and expand should they need to. Not every team is EG and has money to spend, and even EG decided to locate their facility in Phoenix, AZ which is if I'm not mistaken, a relatively low cost area to live.


I deleted my post before u responded lol. I misread it. Anyways, my main point was more towards the other dude.
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
January 13 2013 08:04 GMT
#80
On January 13 2013 12:24 nooboon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 12:17 Fionn wrote:
So Azubu is out on Polt, EG or TL is unlikely, and Complexity closed their house.

Incoming Polt.Polt.


FXO.NA.POLT? Still an option although its starting to look like Polt will have to forgo joining a team. CSL still an option though.


Polt coming to my college :D :D :D
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 41m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko219
Rex 2
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 38141
Calm 7767
Shuttle 1529
Bisu 639
firebathero 638
EffOrt 294
Mini 217
Stork 173
Soma 151
Dewaltoss 106
[ Show more ]
Leta 105
ZerO 99
Hyun 93
Light 92
Snow 74
Rush 63
Mong 60
Last 48
Barracks 43
Pusan 38
910 38
hero 34
Killer 33
NotJumperer 31
Sharp 31
NaDa 29
Hm[arnc] 24
HiyA 17
Shinee 15
Noble 14
ajuk12(nOOB) 12
Free 12
sorry 12
Terrorterran 11
Sacsri 9
Dota 2
Gorgc6548
XaKoH 408
Fuzer 82
XcaliburYe81
League of Legends
JimRising 375
Counter-Strike
allub356
dupreeh343
edward233
x6flipin176
gobbtv115
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr47
Other Games
summit1g8721
singsing951
crisheroes256
Livibee247
ZerO(Twitch)6
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 589
Other Games
gamesdonequick452
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 68
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH291
• LUISG 25
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 5
• FirePhoenix4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1162
• Stunt453
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
41m
Reynor vs Zoun
Neeb vs Rogue
Rex2
OSC
12h 41m
FEL
1d 22h
Patches Events
2 days
AI Arena Tournament
2 days
FEL
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-20
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
IPSL Winter 2026-27
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.