• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:22
CEST 16:22
KST 23:22
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down10ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League53Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.166
StarCraft 2
General
REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.16 No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Evil Geniuses - shutting down How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR?
Tourneys
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Do we even care about balance? [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos Rollback Netcode in Brood War BW General Discussion Young Players Tournament Announced by SOOP
Tourneys
[BSL23] RO24 Group Stage KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4 [ASL22] Grand Finals [$1250] International ShieldBattery League
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion!
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8260 users

compLexity gaming house closes - Page 6

Forum Index > SC2 General
186 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 10 Next All
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 11:43:05
January 13 2013 11:38 GMT
#101
On January 13 2013 12:35 Seeker wrote:
:/

I think I called it when I said Disbanded TSL vs Dying coL.

Actually I think there was already a post about this before you made that comment.

On January 13 2013 17:23 ROOTheognis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 17:17 dcemuser wrote:
On January 13 2013 13:18 aust77 wrote:
As much as I've been something of a cynic with regard to recent developments in the scene (disbandment of SlayerS+TSL, with Prime/NSH possibly next), this news is less outright negative for the health of SC2 as an e-sport.


Considering how SlayerS and TSL disbanded, neither of those had much to do with the health of SC2 as an e-sport, lol. SlayerS was an explosion of the world's largest dramabomb, and TSL was because their players all left every time they got good.


TSL had trouble even securing sponsors even with power-hitters like Shine, HyuN, Symbol, and Polt. Seems kind of like a problem to me >_< There doesn't seem to be enough sponsor backing in Korea but then again it might be due to the KeSPA-influx. I don't know TSL's situation before the KeSPA transition though but I don't think it was any better.

That's mostly BECAUSE all TSL players left as soon as they got good.... SymboL got good but never showed any top finishes. HyuN is famous for being good, but aside from Fight Club, never showed top finishes. Shine was just known to be a solid player, but he wasn't famous. Polt was at his peak before he joined TSL.
All of TSL's famous/huge players left as soon as they became good. Polt is the only acception as he came into TSL after he was already famous/huge.

TSL had the best sponsorship and the first salaries in SC2 history. Their problem arose because all of the TSL players backstabbed TSL due to greed and other selfish reasons.

If I were a sponsor I wouldn't want to sponsor a team that has a history of creating huge players that always leave to other teams, regardless of the high salary they make. (also why I wouldn't pick up Parting if I were a pro team manager)
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
January 13 2013 12:02 GMT
#102
What a shame. Complexity had the most impressive boat house in the entire world of eSports. I don't think they were able to leverage that to their benefit though. It might have all been so different if Stephano had actually joined them and achieved his success with them. Instead they signed Naniwa and he left after 2 months.
Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
January 13 2013 12:19 GMT
#103
That sucks
The media content probably didn't get enough views. I still believe it’s important to pick a simple, cheaper housing but in this case they saved a lot of money on travelling to events such as the Lone Star Clash 2 so I’m not sure it would help. On a similar note I’m still waiting for someone to make a proper training house work in Europe because the cost of living should be quite low. Maybe the GD Studio?
Really Blizz, really? - Darnell
Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
January 13 2013 12:23 GMT
#104
On January 13 2013 17:04 Alryk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 12:24 nooboon wrote:
On January 13 2013 12:17 Fionn wrote:
So Azubu is out on Polt, EG or TL is unlikely, and Complexity closed their house.

Incoming Polt.Polt.


FXO.NA.POLT? Still an option although its starting to look like Polt will have to forgo joining a team. CSL still an option though.


Polt coming to my college :D :D :D

OT: you lucky bastard! :D
Really Blizz, really? - Darnell
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
January 13 2013 12:43 GMT
#105
On January 13 2013 12:31 Shinespark wrote:
SC2's death is coming a little faster every day...

Didn't you read? The reason they closed it down cause of lack of Marketing, they had planned to release media content which would support the financial side of the teamhouse, much like what EG and TeamLiquid does.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
January 13 2013 12:58 GMT
#106
This house closing doesn't seem as depressing as these sorts of things usually are. The article puts a spin on it in such a way that it doesn't sound that bad. It was interesting to read.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
January 13 2013 13:10 GMT
#107
On January 13 2013 12:17 Fionn wrote:
So Azubu is out on Polt, EG or TL is unlikely, and Complexity closed their house.

Incoming Polt.Polt.


Team Polt! Clutch called it a year ago
fortheGG
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1002 Posts
January 13 2013 13:40 GMT
#108
On January 13 2013 21:43 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 12:31 Shinespark wrote:
SC2's death is coming a little faster every day...

Didn't you read? The reason they closed it down cause of lack of Marketing, they had planned to release media content which would support the financial side of the teamhouse, much like what EG and TeamLiquid does.


If this was 2011 they probably wouldn't have closed it. At this point in time, there is no reason to invest in a progaming house for foreigners, as all you get are low stream numbers, low view counts and zero results.

I don't want to join the bandwagon regarding sc2's death, but Col's house highlights the situation of teams that aren't EG or TL, teams that do not have (seemingly) endless pockets.
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
January 13 2013 13:43 GMT
#109
Not even surprised.
Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
January 13 2013 13:46 GMT
#110
Man foreign team houses are a joke. They get these big ass houses with swimming pools and all that unecessary shit and put like 5 players in them. Even the EG house sucks as a practice house. They have Idra, Demuslim, Machine and Incontrol in it and thats pretty much it. Same thing with the Millenium house, they have ForGG and who else?

In terms of developing talent for the foreign scene they are so far behind the Koreans that it isnt even funny and the Korean SC2 scene is pretty much dead.

On the other hand Koreans are fucking phenomenal at developing talent but they are terrible at marketing.
Bjarne
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany192 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 13:52:56
January 13 2013 13:51 GMT
#111
On January 13 2013 12:31 Shinespark wrote:
SC2's death is coming a little faster every day...



On January 13 2013 13:02 AnomalySC2 wrote:
SC2 is falling apart.



Cant hear that anymore. Its just like five 80+ year old man sitting in a pub telling everyone, that world will end soon.

Clarity Gaming just OPENS their team house and coL house is closing.
Why is SC2 dying now? Its the same number of team houses if you try to count up to two! Really dont get it.

Slayers, TSL, Quantic disband? K, but to replace them, we got 8 (!) new KeSPA teams, plus Axiom and AZUBU with great rosters.
If you try to count again, its 7 teams more then before...

SC2 truly dying...

Guys:
Motorsport is not dying only because of Michael Schumacher leaving F1,
Soccer not dying, because of Glasgow Rangers insolvent
and SC2 not dying because of their are as many team houses then bevor in US and more teams as 2011...
MMA II DeMuslim II MKP II JD II IdrA II HuK II Leenock II Stephano II
Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
January 13 2013 13:54 GMT
#112
On January 13 2013 13:26 TheSwamp wrote:
LOL I guess it's insanely difficult to find someone that wants to produce media...


Not at all, but it's insanely difficult for a media producer to find a company willing to pay them what they're worth.

I never saw a recruitment post. $45,000 a year and room and board in that house and I would have been all on that, with constant media coming out of it so long as the right tools were provided. Course if they wanted someone with college education on media production with debt and shit to pay and weren't willing to give them at least the average salary, then I don't see how the dude could have worked full time as a media producer.

The problem is that everyone expects the players to be paid salaries and the guys helping to do it for love of the game. I hate to break it to teams, but being a pro-gamer doesn't require a degree. You don't go into debt learning to be a pro-gamer. Those who go to school to budget teams, create media, even cooking in some areas, etc. all need schooling, they need to be paid, and they need to be paid fairly. If I didn't have a college degree weighing me down I could live in fairfield county, where I live, one of the most expensive places in the country to live, for around $30,000 a year. If I'm a pro gamer with no debt or living expenses, $8000 a year is probably fair.

Of course, it's possible that the media dude was just a flake and had been getting paid fairly the whole time. Us artsy types tend to flake out a lot.
My name is Mike, and statistically, yours is not.
czaku
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland429 Posts
January 13 2013 14:38 GMT
#113
On January 13 2013 21:23 Zax19 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 17:04 Alryk wrote:
On January 13 2013 12:24 nooboon wrote:
On January 13 2013 12:17 Fionn wrote:
So Azubu is out on Polt, EG or TL is unlikely, and Complexity closed their house.

Incoming Polt.Polt.


FXO.NA.POLT? Still an option although its starting to look like Polt will have to forgo joining a team. CSL still an option though.


Polt coming to my college :D :D :D

OT: you lucky bastard! :D



Polt going to own CSL
creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
January 13 2013 14:40 GMT
#114
It was pretty silly having a big house for players that are Code B level lets be honest
Terran it up.
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
January 13 2013 14:47 GMT
#115
On January 13 2013 22:54 Noobity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 13:26 TheSwamp wrote:
LOL I guess it's insanely difficult to find someone that wants to produce media...


Not at all, but it's insanely difficult for a media producer to find a company willing to pay them what they're worth.

I never saw a recruitment post. $45,000 a year and room and board in that house and I would have been all on that, with constant media coming out of it so long as the right tools were provided. Course if they wanted someone with college education on media production with debt and shit to pay and weren't willing to give them at least the average salary, then I don't see how the dude could have worked full time as a media producer.

The problem is that everyone expects the players to be paid salaries and the guys helping to do it for love of the game. I hate to break it to teams, but being a pro-gamer doesn't require a degree. You don't go into debt learning to be a pro-gamer. Those who go to school to budget teams, create media, even cooking in some areas, etc. all need schooling, they need to be paid, and they need to be paid fairly. If I didn't have a college degree weighing me down I could live in fairfield county, where I live, one of the most expensive places in the country to live, for around $30,000 a year. If I'm a pro gamer with no debt or living expenses, $8000 a year is probably fair.

Of course, it's possible that the media dude was just a flake and had been getting paid fairly the whole time. Us artsy types tend to flake out a lot.

Hate to break it to you but right now players are lucky if they have any salary at all. $8000 a year for a progamer? Join EG if you want to get paid that much, otherwise good luck.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10167 Posts
January 13 2013 14:52 GMT
#116
I wonder what will happen to the complexity marine style
Young Terran
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom265 Posts
January 13 2013 15:00 GMT
#117
every team house closing this is terrible
derpface
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden925 Posts
January 13 2013 15:01 GMT
#118
On January 13 2013 23:38 astor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 21:23 Zax19 wrote:
On January 13 2013 17:04 Alryk wrote:
On January 13 2013 12:24 nooboon wrote:
On January 13 2013 12:17 Fionn wrote:
So Azubu is out on Polt, EG or TL is unlikely, and Complexity closed their house.

Incoming Polt.Polt.


FXO.NA.POLT? Still an option although its starting to look like Polt will have to forgo joining a team. CSL still an option though.


Polt coming to my college :D :D :D

OT: you lucky bastard! :D



Polt going to own CSL


He cant play in the CSL, something in the rules about that people in the CSL cant have played in a progamer house for more than 1 year.
gg no re #_< no1 Hydra and Leta fan >_#
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 13 2013 15:09 GMT
#119
Call me with EG shuts down their team house. Then I will think SC2 is dying. We don't have a lot of room in NA for a lot of major teams and everyone wants to be EG or TL.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Soybanzai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States18 Posts
January 13 2013 15:14 GMT
#120
You can rent 2 bedroom apartment in Ohio for $450 a month, and stick 4 players in it... no reason to have a huge house to train in.
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 38m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko422
Hui .220
Rex 129
Classic 56
LamboSC2 10
Codebar 2
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 53508
Calm 7592
Bisu 2581
Shuttle 800
EffOrt 626
firebathero 578
Stork 319
Light 319
Soma 309
Rush 306
[ Show more ]
ZerO 234
Snow 208
Leta 207
Soulkey 165
Dewaltoss 96
hero 83
Hyun 67
Barracks 59
Movie 48
Sharp 48
910 46
PianO 44
Mong 40
ggaemo 39
Killer 38
Shinee 34
Pusan 33
sorry 30
HiyA 27
Bishop 21
Sacsri 20
Hm[arnc] 17
soO 16
Trap 16
Noble 12
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
Terrorterran 10
Free 8
Dota 2
Gorgc8826
qojqva1837
XaKoH 538
syndereN385
Fuzer 65
Counter-Strike
byalli490
Heroes of the Storm
crisheroes409
Trikslyr41
Other Games
singsing2185
B2W.Neo1092
hiko804
DeMusliM328
Liquid`VortiX134
mouzStarbuck92
RotterdaM81
ZerO(Twitch)17
fpsfer 1
Organizations
StarCraft 2
IntoTheiNu 1309
WardiTV913
CranKy Ducklings84
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 56
• maralekos17
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP6
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 16
• FirePhoenix4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2065
League of Legends
• Nemesis1924
• Jankos1607
• TFBlade519
Other Games
• WagamamaTV247
Upcoming Events
OSC
8h 38m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
20h 38m
Harstem vs Zoun
Harstem vs GgMaChine
GgMaChine vs Lambo
Harstem vs Lambo
GgMaChine vs Zoun
Lambo vs Zoun
OSC
23h 38m
FEL
1d 18h
Patches Events
1d 22h
AI Arena Tournament
2 days
FEL
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
[ Show More ]
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-20
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
IPSL Winter 2026-27
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.