• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 04:54
CET 10:54
KST 18:54
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2
Community News
BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion5Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)16Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 105
StarCraft 2
General
Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets When will we find out if there are more tournament SC2 Spotted on the EWC 2026 list?
Tourneys
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC2 AI Tournament 2026 $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes
Brood War
General
Video Footage from 2005: The Birth of G2 in Spain [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Fantasy's Q&A video BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Potential ASL qualifier breakthroughs?
Tourneys
[BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Physical Exercise (HIIT) Bef…
TrAiDoS
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1347 users

Wings of Liberty: Situation Report 1/11/13 - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
312 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 14 15 16 Next All
FLuE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
January 12 2013 04:56 GMT
#61
I hate that people always say TvZ was perfect before queen patch. Just because the win ratio is 50/50 doesn't mean the matchup is perfect. Terran had a huge early game advantage and if Zerg made it to late game they had advantage. The matchup at its current pace although 50/50 on percent would have been a total T wins early Z wins late.

The problem is that they buffed Zerg early game but then didn't do anything for T late game and that's really the issue. All they had to do was make snipe + damage to massive and we'd probably be back in a pretty good TvZ place.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
January 12 2013 04:59 GMT
#62
SICK updates. (T)IMHappy
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
January 12 2013 05:01 GMT
#63
I'd rather see a -1 damage on Infested terrans, so that they still benefit from upgrades later, as well as giving auto-turrets attack upgrades (+1/2/3).

The news about maps is very good, though I hope that mapmakers get away from giving a ton of hidey spots for overlords on every map.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
January 12 2013 05:07 GMT
#64
On January 12 2013 14:01 Ansinjunger wrote:
I'd rather see a -1 damage on Infested terrans, so that they still benefit from upgrades later, as well as giving auto-turrets attack upgrades (+1/2/3).

The news about maps is very good, though I hope that mapmakers get away from giving a ton of hidey spots for overlords on every map.


This seems nice. I think Ranged pretty much becomes pointless now. It's almost always gonna be better (except in ZvZ i guess) to just get melee upgrades
can i get my estro logo back pls
Wolfstan
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada605 Posts
January 12 2013 05:30 GMT
#65
Hopefully they are looking at neural supply depots as well.
EG - ROOT - Gambit Gaming
Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
January 12 2013 05:33 GMT
#66
about time. jesus. everyone's been crying about it forever and a day.
i like cheese
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
January 12 2013 05:35 GMT
#67
Refresh map pool more frequently in HOTS? So more than once a year?

In all seriousness, I am glad they are redoing the map pool in HOTS, some of the current maps are pretty terrible. Hopefully they change up the WOL pool to send it off but I doubt that will happen.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
January 12 2013 05:48 GMT
#68
On January 12 2013 12:53 WhiteSatin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 12:29 ( bush wrote:
god damnit, dont they realize TvZ matchup was near perfect before the great idea of adding 2 range to queens and AT THE SAME FUCKING TIME buffing +25% speed to overlord?


the "buff" for the Z were meant to address issues with PvZ according to them


Where did you read that? I'm pretty sure the queen and overlord buff were mainly to deal with early terran pressure/all-ins in TvZ which they felt were too strong.
Protosnake
Profile Joined September 2011
France295 Posts
January 12 2013 05:50 GMT
#69
I think it's pretty stupid that they would fuck up ZvP even more when it should be obvious to everyone that the issue in TvZ is the queen, just lower the range to 4
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
January 12 2013 05:53 GMT
#70
As a zerg player I actually really like this infestor change. This change actually makes sense and I think it's a clever solution to the infested terran situation.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 12 2013 05:59 GMT
#71
On January 12 2013 13:59 Seeker wrote:
SICK updates. (T)IMHappy


you don't look that happy to me :p
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
SecondHand
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States329 Posts
January 12 2013 06:13 GMT
#72
YES FINALLY BLIZZ <3 <3
Ladder more, win less
kiekaboe
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands503 Posts
January 12 2013 06:22 GMT
#73
Well, it seems they slowly start to get it.
Wondering how the infested terran change will change the game.
http://aligulac.com check it out for stats :)
crbox
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1180 Posts
January 12 2013 06:23 GMT
#74
Wow, first the map change, now this o.o

I know these are small steps, but still if Blizzard shows that they can listen to the community more and react to the feedback we're giving them, then these are steps that are going in the right direction.

Next update let's hope they fix custom games (Arcade e.e..)
Nerski
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1095 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-12 06:31:34
January 12 2013 06:30 GMT
#75
Why don't they just remove to root on fungal..

They keep nerfing the infester piece by piece, but they don't seem to want to give anything back to replace it


They could of changed fungal to a slow that prevents things like blink...and it would of solved a lot of problems outright. That or given some love to lesser used units like the hydra (things as simple as the speed upgrade which is in hots) and then they could of done what they wished with the infestor a lot earlier.

That aside my only 'concern' would be they go overboard and make fungal or IT's as useless as NP became when they nerfd it into the ground when Ling/Infestor ZvP was popular.

Map bit was a good thing to hear though after the terrible season 1 map choices/showings
Twitter: @GoForNerski /// Youtube: Youtube.com/nerskisc
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
January 12 2013 06:32 GMT
#76
On January 12 2013 14:50 Protosnake wrote:
I think it's pretty stupid that they would fuck up ZvP even more when it should be obvious to everyone that the issue in TvZ is the queen, just lower the range to 4


'Fuck up ZvP even more'? What do you mean? This patch is trying to address the fact the infested terran span from 20+ infestors is way too strong in ZvP as well as ZvT when terran is meching.
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
January 12 2013 06:35 GMT
#77
I can not believe their reason for not changing it earlier... "It might confuse newer players" omg... just write in on the loading screen. done

it is almost as if they are just plain stupid sometimes...
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
uh-oh
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Hong Kong135 Posts
January 12 2013 06:46 GMT
#78
I'd love to see blizzard offer incentives for the community to create maps so we can enjoy a wider variety, like some sort of monthly map making tournament and the winner gets his map featured on the ladder for a while, because I think we can all agree that while daybreak, antiga shipyard, entombed valley and cloud kingdom are excellent maps and have produced lots of epic games, it's time to spice things up a bit more.
When I get to grandmasters, you have my permission to die!
Warpath
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1242 Posts
January 12 2013 06:52 GMT
#79
On January 12 2013 10:19 Xpace wrote:
"We've held off on these changes until now primarily because we thought having different sets of hidden start location rules for each map might be confusing to lower level players."
"At this point we feel that most StarCraft II players have a solid understanding of starting locations on each map."

Wait, what?


(In the past) We've held off on these changes until now...
At this point we feel that most StarCraft II players have a solid understanding...

Past to present tense
2muchSWAG
Profile Joined January 2013
76 Posts
January 12 2013 06:55 GMT
#80
BRING IN ARKANOID AND BI FROST AND PLANET S INTO THE POOL!e
#YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO #YOLO
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 14 15 16 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
All-Star Invitational
03:00
Day 2
herO vs ReynorLIVE!
WardiTV2392
PiGStarcraft1075
WinterStarcraft1020
IndyStarCraft 479
BRAT_OK 375
3DClanTV 193
EnkiAlexander 79
IntoTheiNu 29
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft1075
WinterStarcraft1020
IndyStarCraft 479
BRAT_OK 375
MindelVK 24
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 5903
Shuttle 937
firebathero 933
Larva 590
Stork 380
BeSt 316
Soma 160
Hyun 147
Leta 101
Rush 99
[ Show more ]
sorry 96
Shine 80
Mini 57
yabsab 49
Free 39
Sharp 38
ToSsGirL 34
HiyA 34
NotJumperer 24
Light 18
zelot 16
ajuk12(nOOB) 15
Sacsri 15
Noble 10
Terrorterran 9
Models 4
Dota 2
XcaliburYe37
League of Legends
JimRising 601
C9.Mang0474
Counter-Strike
allub387
Other Games
Happy427
Sick211
Fuzer 197
Mew2King46
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2282
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH83
• naamasc214
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 14
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1931
• Stunt605
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6m
CranKy Ducklings4
OSC
2h 6m
Shameless vs NightMare
YoungYakov vs MaNa
Nicoract vs Jumy
Gerald vs TBD
Creator vs TBD
BSL 21
10h 6m
Bonyth vs Sziky
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs DuGu
Dewalt vs Bonyth
IPSL
10h 6m
Dewalt vs Sziky
Replay Cast
23h 6m
Wardi Open
1d 2h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 7h
The PondCast
3 days
Big Brain Bouts
5 days
Serral vs TBD
BSL 21
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W4
Big Gabe Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
OSC Championship Season 13
SC2 All-Star Inv. 2025
Underdog Cup #3
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W5
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.