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On December 28 2012 17:22 zefreak wrote:
Western attitudes towards plastic surgery frustrate me to no end.
"Koreans care too much about looks, its just a body it's not important!"
"Eww, he got plastic surgery and isn't 'natural'!"
If the body is just a body and unimportant (which I agree with) then we shouldn't be making a big deal about plastic surgery, one way or the other. I feel like Asian societies are actually far more progressive regarding body image and identity than most Western societies, who still think there is something 'special' about our genetically determined physique.
Think about it this way: they don't care about their bodies enough to change it all willy-nilly and not think anything of it. We're the conservative old fogies wagging our fingers and saying "that's not natural"
Also think he looks great, much better after. Considering the amount of money spent on fashion accessories in the world, it was a bargain.
Like really? "THey don care about their bodies enough to change it" ????? If they didnt care about their bodies, they wouldnt change them like that....
they do care about their BODIES
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On December 28 2012 17:22 zefreak wrote:
Western attitudes towards plastic surgery frustrate me to no end.
"Koreans care too much about looks, its just a body it's not important!"
"Eww, he got plastic surgery and isn't 'natural'!"
If the body is just a body and unimportant (which I agree with) then we shouldn't be making a big deal about plastic surgery, one way or the other. I feel like Asian societies are actually far more progressive regarding body image and identity than most Western societies, who still think there is something 'special' about our genetically determined physique.
Think about it this way: they don't care about their bodies enough to change it all willy-nilly and not think anything of it. We're the conservative old fogies wagging our fingers and saying "that's not natural"
Also think he looks great, much better after. Considering the amount of money spent on fashion accessories in the world, it was a bargain.
Not asain as whole think plastic surgery as normal thing to do. I am thai and I and people here still think it's not the best thing to do but there's nothing wrong with it though.
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On December 28 2012 17:25 Canucklehead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 17:22 zefreak wrote:
I feel like Asian societies are actually far more progressive regarding body image and identity than most Western societies, Huh, that's not being more progressive, that's being more superficial, which is saying something since the west is already pretty superficial themselves.
I feel like it's more progressive because it tears away yet another arbitrary taboo. If people want to look a certain way, and almost everyone wants to look a certain way whether they admit it not, they should be able to without shame or dishonesty. Wanting to look a certain way is not superficial, ONLY CARING ABOUT LOOKS would be superficial.
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He does look abit better now with his eyes actually open  I really hope he's happy with this!
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On December 28 2012 17:26 habeck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 17:22 zefreak wrote:
Western attitudes towards plastic surgery frustrate me to no end.
"Koreans care too much about looks, its just a body it's not important!"
"Eww, he got plastic surgery and isn't 'natural'!"
If the body is just a body and unimportant (which I agree with) then we shouldn't be making a big deal about plastic surgery, one way or the other. I feel like Asian societies are actually far more progressive regarding body image and identity than most Western societies, who still think there is something 'special' about our genetically determined physique.
Think about it this way: they don't care about their bodies enough to change it all willy-nilly and not think anything of it. We're the conservative old fogies wagging our fingers and saying "that's not natural"
Also think he looks great, much better after. Considering the amount of money spent on fashion accessories in the world, it was a bargain. Like really? "THey don care about their bodies enough to change it" ????? If they didnt care about their bodies, they wouldnt change them like that.... they do care about their BODIES
If you think the body is something special and tied to your identity, you would feel disturbed at the thought of changing it so drastically.
If you think of the body as just a hunk of flesh that supports your magnificent brain, you won't have a problem with shaping it anyway you want.
The less you tie your body image with your identity, the more likely you are to change it.
In other words, the 'psychological cost' associated with the transaction decreases, the corollary being that the break-even threshold for the transaction is lowered.
You are partly correct in that they must have a preference regarding their physical features. This is different than being shallow or including ones body image in ones identity. People change hairstyles and clothes without overly worrying about it because these things are so distant from their conception of self image. When people distance their physical features from their concepts of self image as well, that is progress.
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so that's why he left mTw...
He's gonna be a model! so sexy <3
gl in 2013 SuperNova!
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Well,we can all see the difference now.He looks better after the surgery!
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On December 28 2012 17:33 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 17:25 Canucklehead wrote:On December 28 2012 17:22 zefreak wrote:
I feel like Asian societies are actually far more progressive regarding body image and identity than most Western societies, Huh, that's not being more progressive, that's being more superficial, which is saying something since the west is already pretty superficial themselves. I feel like it's more progressive because it tears away yet another arbitrary taboo. If people want to look a certain way, and almost everyone wants to look a certain way whether they admit it not, they should be able to without shame or dishonesty. Wanting to look a certain way is not superficial, ONLY CARING ABOUT LOOKS would be superficial.
There's nothing arbitrary about the dislike of having surgery for small cosmetic reasons. Surgery is a big deal. Things can and do go wrong all the time despite very small risks. It's also a strong signal of lack of confidence and unhappiness. You should watch some honest documentaries on plastic surgery. It's not pretty.
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The society sucks too hard.
They don't show sympathy to people who aren't good looking.
They had to get their face changed to have some progress yet they receive another society hate when they find out they had surgery.
I think Taiwan and korea are more or less the only society where surgeries are common and won't be looked down upon.
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On December 28 2012 17:42 ETisME wrote:
The society sucks too hard.
They don't show sympathy to people who aren't good looking.
They had to get their face changed to have some progress yet they receive another society hate when they find out they had surgery.
I think Taiwan and korea are more or less the only society where surgeries are common and won't be looked down upon.
I agree with you, but even in korea plastic surgery is often looked down upon by stuck up men who only like 'natural girls'. Same as the west.
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To me; he now looks like a young teenager, while before he looked like a young man.
GL with it tho.
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On December 28 2012 17:41 vrok wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 17:33 zefreak wrote:On December 28 2012 17:25 Canucklehead wrote:On December 28 2012 17:22 zefreak wrote:
I feel like Asian societies are actually far more progressive regarding body image and identity than most Western societies, Huh, that's not being more progressive, that's being more superficial, which is saying something since the west is already pretty superficial themselves. I feel like it's more progressive because it tears away yet another arbitrary taboo. If people want to look a certain way, and almost everyone wants to look a certain way whether they admit it not, they should be able to without shame or dishonesty. Wanting to look a certain way is not superficial, ONLY CARING ABOUT LOOKS would be superficial. There's nothing arbitrary about the dislike of having surgery for small cosmetic reasons. Surgery is a big deal. Things can and do go wrong all the time despite very small risks. It's also a strong signal of lack of confidence and unhappiness. You should watch some honest documentaries on plastic surgery. It's not pretty.
It is arbitrary. Of course there are costs and benefits, but the fact is the risks of such minor cosmetic surgery, ESPECIALLY IN KOREA where they have some of the best specialists in the world, are minor. It really is NOT a big deal. If you have a problem with cosmetic surgery because there are minor risks, you should also have a problem with driving cars and flying on airplanes because there are also minor risks. Plus, it's not your place to weigh the pros and cons of these decisions.
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On December 28 2012 17:33 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 17:25 Canucklehead wrote:On December 28 2012 17:22 zefreak wrote:
I feel like Asian societies are actually far more progressive regarding body image and identity than most Western societies, Huh, that's not being more progressive, that's being more superficial, which is saying something since the west is already pretty superficial themselves. I feel like it's more progressive because it tears away yet another arbitrary taboo. If people want to look a certain way, and almost everyone wants to look a certain way whether they admit it not, they should be able to without shame or dishonesty. Wanting to look a certain way is not superficial, ONLY CARING ABOUT LOOKS would be superficial.
I feel like you're missing the pressures that often cause people to want to change how they look, ESPECIALLY in some Asian societies. Shame is on the other end of the equation.
If it actually improves one's self-worth and happiness, then by all means it's a good thing. The problem is it usually doesn't (this has been studied in the West, but I've never seen it in East Asia), and the reason people felt bad in the first place came from societal pressures about how to look. That is superficial.
I hope it does make him happier.
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If it makes him happier, then good for him.
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I miss Stats' chin. 
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On December 28 2012 17:45 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 17:33 zefreak wrote:On December 28 2012 17:25 Canucklehead wrote:On December 28 2012 17:22 zefreak wrote:
I feel like Asian societies are actually far more progressive regarding body image and identity than most Western societies, Huh, that's not being more progressive, that's being more superficial, which is saying something since the west is already pretty superficial themselves. I feel like it's more progressive because it tears away yet another arbitrary taboo. If people want to look a certain way, and almost everyone wants to look a certain way whether they admit it not, they should be able to without shame or dishonesty. Wanting to look a certain way is not superficial, ONLY CARING ABOUT LOOKS would be superficial. I feel like you're missing the pressures that often cause people to want to change how they look, ESPECIALLY in some Asian societies. Shame is on the other end of the equation.
The pressures are there, but the problem isn't cosmetic surgery. In fact, it's the solution. You think there aren't equivalent pressures in other parts of the world? Fact is, ugly people are just ignored here in the US. If you aren't born with the right combination of genes, good luck being successful in business and romance, because your options are much more limited than if you are tall, white and handsome.
I feel like people rightly grasp the problem of social pressures regarding looks and then wrongly see plastic surgery as the problem. If 'social pressure' is one side of the equation, it is the same in every country in the world. If plastic surgery was as cheap everywhere as it is in korea, if the surgeons were as experienced and if there weren't taboos against changing your genetically determined appearance then it would be just as popular everywhere. Not because social pressures would necessarily increase but because the deterrent factors would be decreased.
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On December 28 2012 17:49 zefreak wrote:
Fact is, ugly people are just ignored here in the US. If you aren't born with the right combination of genes, good luck being successful in business and romance, because your options are much more limited than if you are tall, white and handsome.
I think that's extremely, extremely far from the truth.
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On December 28 2012 17:49 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 17:45 Jibba wrote:On December 28 2012 17:33 zefreak wrote:On December 28 2012 17:25 Canucklehead wrote:On December 28 2012 17:22 zefreak wrote:
I feel like Asian societies are actually far more progressive regarding body image and identity than most Western societies, Huh, that's not being more progressive, that's being more superficial, which is saying something since the west is already pretty superficial themselves. I feel like it's more progressive because it tears away yet another arbitrary taboo. If people want to look a certain way, and almost everyone wants to look a certain way whether they admit it not, they should be able to without shame or dishonesty. Wanting to look a certain way is not superficial, ONLY CARING ABOUT LOOKS would be superficial. I feel like you're missing the pressures that often cause people to want to change how they look, ESPECIALLY in some Asian societies. Shame is on the other end of the equation. The pressures are there, but the problem isn't cosmetic surgery. In fact, it's the solution. You think there aren't equivalent pressures in other parts of the world? Fact is, ugly people are just ignored here in the US. If you aren't born with the right combination of genes, good luck being successful in business and romance, because your options are much more limited than if you are tall, white and handsome.
Are you calling being with somebody who wouldn't be with you if you were less good looking "success" in romance?
As for business, there is a line between being presentable and not, past that it doesn't matter as much, especially if you're a man.
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