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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
Old Supernova: ![[image loading]](http://i20.fastpic.ru/big/2011/0420/43/52cc1df27fa9382cbc9227b15f2eef43.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://p1.img.cctvpic.com/nettv/newgame/2012/0129/20120129112257217.jpg) New Supernova: ![[image loading]](http://imageftw.com/uploads/20121227/supernova.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/2973008630/abd935fa8e0b18c938b7584e0166b8d5.jpeg) This isn't the first time a player has gotten cosmetic surgery. Both Stats and Mind got surgery altering their looks, but Stats had to because he couldn't close his mouth properly because of his extremely large manly chin. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
If he's happy, cool I guess. Don't know how I feel about doing this kinda thing though | ||
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jcroisdale
United States1543 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
do you read korean sites or how did you find out about this? also wtf | ||
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rift
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
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CrazyF1r3f0x
United States2120 Posts
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Fionn
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
Supernova lookin good, still want to know what team he's going to. | ||
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itsjuspeter
United States668 Posts
those pictures look nothing alike.. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:20 Praetorial wrote: Apart from eyes and better defined cheeks, I can't notice a single difference. It's already huge :p | ||
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CuSToM
United States1478 Posts
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RiceAgainst
United States1849 Posts
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Just_a_Moth
Canada1950 Posts
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NuclearJudas
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julianto
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Or just keep playing starcraft. | ||
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Moosy
Canada396 Posts
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
I loved his Who-Nose | ||
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dynwar7
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UnKooL
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
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GARO
United States2255 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:24 UnKooL wrote: Whos the BW progamer that became an actor again? Shark became a Korean personality. Ruby became an actor. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
That has to be some super plastic surgery... | ||
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MooLen
Germany501 Posts
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:26 mango_destroyer wrote: I am guessing this isn`t uncommon as I think some BW players looking different over the years but definitely not as drastic as this....so much plastic surgery in korea @_@ Stork had probably the biggest change in looks, but I don't think he ever got any surgery. He just lost weight, worked out a lot, took better of his skin and got a nice haircut. | ||
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TR
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
What team DOESN'T want him now? | ||
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Lemonayd
United States745 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:31 Arceus wrote: Ive seen cheek surgery, nose surgery, chin surgery but eyes surgery like this O_o I've heard that the eye surgery's actually the most common one in Korea. Re: Supernova -- Damn, son. | ||
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:27 Fionn wrote: Stork had probably the biggest change in looks, but I don't think he ever got any surgery. He just lost weight, worked out a lot, took better of his skin and got a nice haircut. ya losing weight makes a huge difference | ||
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OnFiRe888
United States629 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:24 neoghaleon55 wrote: omg he looks like NADA! Yea, this is what I thought as well. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/rotinegg/korea/storkuuu2.jpg) | ||
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Ichabod
United States1659 Posts
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United States1968 Posts
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United States1240 Posts
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
face maybe. body? NAH SON | ||
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
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Chronopolis
Canada1484 Posts
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-YoricK-
United States476 Posts
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ECA.BruTATroN
United States282 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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Slackzftw
Germany361 Posts
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [blepharoplasty] + ![[image loading]](http://abagond.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/beforeafter31.jpg) + Show Spoiler [epicanthoplasty] + ![[image loading]](http://www.flowersclinic.com/gallery/Facial-Pic-1.jpg) | ||
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tj341
United States147 Posts
![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A0pted9CAAAzgXM.jpg:large) holy shit, been watching his stream since he started webcamming and holy shit i didn't notice the difference until now | ||
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A-p-p-l-e-s
Canada314 Posts
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Hier
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On December 28 2012 13:44 Dodgin wrote: does anyone know how much this would have cost him? If It's any significant amount that's surprising that he could afford it, or would choose to afford it. About one or two grand, I guess? | ||
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WIllBIll
590 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:44 Dodgin wrote: does anyone know how much this would have cost him? If It's any significant amount that's surprising that he could afford it, or would choose to afford it. Probably a gift from his parents, that's usually the case. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
It's almost as if Nada and Jaedong had a baby. | ||
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Canada3485 Posts
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United States1716 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
I guess he's happy with it tho ! | ||
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
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United States1655 Posts
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JackReacher
United States197 Posts
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dabom88
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Canada11044 Posts
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yyfpulls
United States2185 Posts
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Ace1123
Philippines1187 Posts
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
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S_SienZ
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On December 28 2012 14:07 glzElectromaster wrote: I usually bring wrath upon people who alter their body (e.g. tattoos, even piercings), just because I had a major back surgery myself and I just hate the fact that people deliberately want to change their looks because of aesthetic reasons. But if Supernova had a hard time closing his mouth, then I think this surgery was somewhat reasonable. His appearance before made him really easy to distinguish, though. That was Stats and his chin. | ||
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-niL
Canada1131 Posts
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Shadow_Dog
Canada427 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10673 Posts
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A-p-p-l-e-s
Canada314 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:36 babylon wrote: Here's Stork's before and after: WOW... OMG lol... that is just crazy O.O Did the surgery make him more slim? because I think he might of lost the weight manually to be honnest | ||
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covetousrat
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On December 28 2012 14:07 glzElectromaster wrote: I usually bring wrath upon people who alter their body (e.g. tattoos, even piercings), just because I had a major back surgery myself and I just hate the fact that people deliberately want to change their looks because of aesthetic reasons. But if Supernova had a hard time closing his mouth, then I think this surgery was somewhat reasonable. His appearance before made him really easy to distinguish, though. Just out of curiousity: What has your back surgery to do with people changing the way they look? oO | ||
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
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lichter
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Blazinghand
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babylon
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On December 28 2012 14:15 A-p-p-l-e-s wrote: WOW... OMG lol... that is just crazy O.O Did the surgery make him more slim? because I think he might of lost the weight manually to be honnest Not sure if Stork actually had surgery. As Fionn pointed out, he definitely started working out more and taking better care of his skin. (There is however plastic surgery you can get for really bad skin, ofc, to make it lighter/smoother/etc.; again, not sure if Stork had that done.) | ||
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TJ31
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Yep, totally worth it. On December 28 2012 14:07 glzElectromaster wrote: I usually bring wrath upon people who alter their body (e.g. tattoos, even piercings), just because I had a major back surgery myself and I just hate the fact that people deliberately want to change their looks because of aesthetic reasons. But if Supernova had a hard time closing his mouth, then I think this surgery was somewhat reasonable. His appearance before made him really easy to distinguish, though. Erm, why would you care what people do with their bodies? Their life/body/money and they are free to do anything they want with that. | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:20 rift wrote: koreans care about appearance too much... Second this...I remember some pro saying that he will spend his prize in skin care...wtf | ||
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Azurues
Malaysia5612 Posts
on a serious note, such a huge change to the appearance. I wonder how long it took him for his surgery + full recovery x_X | ||
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:57 JackReacher wrote: Like Michael Jackson and IdrA before him, he just couldn't withstand the desire to change races. haha,, indeed.. | ||
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PiQLiQ
Sweden702 Posts
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Discarder
Philippines411 Posts
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babylon
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On December 28 2012 14:25 Azurues wrote: well i think mTw didn't recognize their own player thus they have no choice on a serious note, such a huge change to the appearance. I wonder how long it took him for his surgery + full recovery x_X If he just got the eye surgery and nothing else, then just 1-2 weeks. | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
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QzYSc2
Netherlands281 Posts
On December 28 2012 14:24 Belha wrote: Second this...I remember some pro saying that he will spend his prize in skin care...wtf puma after winning nasl | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On December 28 2012 14:27 babylon wrote: If he just got the eye surgery and nothing else, then just 1-2 weeks. He definitely got work done to his nose too. It's more rounded and bulbous like a white dude now. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On December 28 2012 14:24 Belha wrote: Second this...I remember some pro saying that he will spend his prize in skin care...wtf you sure that wasn't Stephano? hahaha | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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Faust852
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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THELEHGOTERRAN
United States1837 Posts
It was Puma after one of his NASL wins. He won $50K I believe. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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Mazzi
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Garnet
Vietnam9020 Posts
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
On December 28 2012 14:46 Mazzi wrote: why does a DUDE at that young age get plastic surgery....no offense but thats just lol Maybe he wasn't happy with himself. If he's happy with it, then I'm happy for him. | ||
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Carkis
Canada302 Posts
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
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EliteSK
Korea (South)251 Posts
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
Anyway, glad for him lol. | ||
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
he looked good both ways though imo | ||
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
On December 28 2012 14:15 A-p-p-l-e-s wrote: WOW... OMG lol... that is just crazy O.O Did the surgery make him more slim? because I think he might of lost the weight manually to be honnest Stork belongs to the highest tier of manliness in progaming. All that was achieved with hard work. + Show Spoiler + Well at least the weight loss, I don't actually know about the skin. | ||
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
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MetalPanda
Canada1152 Posts
On December 28 2012 14:57 jdseemoreglass wrote: Typically I think plastic surgery is a really shallow thing. But if I looked like that before picture.... Anyway, glad for him lol. But it's pretty much normal in Korea. It's just a cultural difference, it's not about being shallow. | ||
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BlackPanther
United States872 Posts
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On December 28 2012 14:46 Mazzi wrote: why does a DUDE at that young age get plastic surgery....no offense but thats just lol Sad people like you bother to post. If a person wants to change how they look why are you to care? To be offensive (and I type that intentionally unlike the fake words you tacked on as a qualifier statement) No one cares what you think. If you had the option to make yourself look better, in whatever way you see fit, at a cost that didn't make a difference to you, why wouldn't you do it? Literally the only reason I can think of to go against getting surgery is that your manly man friends who are probably living with a horrendously outdated conservative outlook will make fun of you... And then what? Who cares? If you pay attention to society at all you'd realize getting corrective surgery for ones own needs is rather common at this point, especially in the eastern part of the world. Don't even bring into account the "I want to look like a rock star" people just want to fix something they may not like. What's wrong with that? I'm sure he is happy with the choice he made and for someone like yourself to try to make a statement while not even having the balls to say you actually meant it as an insult makes you ... "just lol" | ||
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tassblaster
Canada47 Posts
On December 28 2012 15:00 MetalPanda wrote: But it's pretty much normal in Korea. It's just a cultural difference, it's not about being shallow. What about when they have babies??? will they freak when they see their own child? change the kid?... on the other hand supernova looks great now. GO go superNOVA!!! | ||
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GhostLink
United States450 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On December 28 2012 15:05 tassblaster wrote: What about when they have babies??? will they freak when they see their own child? change the kid?... on the other hand supernova looks great now. GO go superNOVA!!! If you have naturally big breasts/big eyes/small nose, your mother will tell you you're saving money. | ||
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mtn
729 Posts
On December 28 2012 15:09 Pokebunny wrote: If you have naturally big breasts/big eyes/small nose, your mother will tell you you're saving money. Haha... Jesus. Should I feel bad after laughing at that? lol But still Supernova looks like a totally different person^^ Hope he is okay with the results  | ||
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Lucid971
United States42 Posts
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ReignSupreme.
Australia4123 Posts
On December 28 2012 14:58 snotboogie wrote: Stork belongs to the highest tier of manliness in progaming. All that was achieved with hard work. + Show Spoiler + Well at least the weight loss, I don't actually know about the skin. Eating healthier in combination with working out can bring about a lot of change in bodies, including skin. Re: Supernova, he definitely looks better in my opinion (not that he looked bad, but who isn't affected by body anxiety etc). Good on him, hopefully there's no repercussions in the future. | ||
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tassblaster
Canada47 Posts
On December 28 2012 15:15 Lucid971 wrote: It's so weird to us here, but in many Asian countries (China, Korea, Vietnam, etc) its actually very common to get plastic surgery, especially on the eyes to make them bigger and not so small. Supernova does look way different though. ya still strange to me. A pretty recent story in china this guy sued his wife for a ugly kid in court and won because she got surgery he did not know about. HE actually won..... | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
Had i not seen plastic surgery commercials during GSL breaks i may have found this odd. But after seeing them, i do not. I hope his fangirl numbers increase dramatically! | ||
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Gugu
United States79 Posts
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ThatGuyDoMo
Australia516 Posts
No, Supernova's Face. | ||
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Canada1213 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
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Japan863 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
 . Great player, and now he looks different, but just as manly-tastic-awesomely-I might be gay for his Terran-cool. | ||
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S_SienZ
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But as an aside, I do feel it's kinda sad that from what I've seen that Korean parents even encourage it. Your parents, of all people, should be the ones who always love you / support you no matter what. | ||
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
On December 28 2012 15:35 S_SienZ wrote: Disclaimer: I'm all for people being able to do w/e they want with their body / money. But as an aside, I do feel it's kinda sad that from what I've seen that Korean parents even encourage it. Your parents, of all people, should be the ones who always love you / support you no matter what. People in korea are SUPER different in that regard. I remember when i was in Busan for WCG, i was going through a traditional market in the morning and some old woman called me "monkey man" or something like that (i had all fuzzy hair and a bit of a beard) :D | ||
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
On December 28 2012 15:37 DarKFoRcE wrote: People in korea are SUPER different in that regard. I remember when i was in Busan for WCG, i was going through a traditional market in the morning and some old woman called me "monkey man" or something like that (i had all fuzzy hair and a bit of a beard) :D koreans dont have much facial hair, so your beard probably gave her the impression that you were a monkey | ||
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Canada16217 Posts
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
On December 28 2012 15:37 DarKFoRcE wrote: People in korea are SUPER different in that regard. I remember when i was in Busan for WCG, i was going through a traditional market in the morning and some old woman called me "monkey man" or something like that (i had all fuzzy hair and a bit of a beard) :D She probably just wanted to run her fingers through your thick luscious hair | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
Wow. | ||
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Serinox
Germany5224 Posts
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:45 Proseat wrote: I think all he got done is a blepharoplasty (a.k.a. "double eyelid surgery") and likely a epicanthoplasty, which are both rather common in South Korea and other Asian countries. I'd say he does look much better now. + Show Spoiler [blepharoplasty] + + Show Spoiler [epicanthoplasty] + | ||
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
On December 28 2012 14:26 Discarder wrote: He looks like the "President" in the film 120 days of sodom before the surgery. ![[image loading]](http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsV/72051-16487.jpg) Lol.... | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
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Daumen
Germany1073 Posts
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DomiNater
United States527 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:36 babylon wrote: Here's Stork's before and after: Please tell me you meant after and before.... the pic on the left of him is so much better. | ||
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Thailand4189 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 28 2012 15:29 Ksquared wrote: I'm sure he is a much happier and more confident person now. At least for Americans and Norwegians, this usually isn't the case. | ||
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Canada396 Posts
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United States1612 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:24 neoghaleon55 wrote: omg he looks like NADA! Word, dude looks like Nada. | ||
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United Kingdom260 Posts
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SHOOG
United States1639 Posts
It's a shame he had to change it though. I feel bad if he changed it due to him being unhappy with how he looked before. No one should have to feel discouraged with the way they look, but if this is what he wants and it makes him more happy, I'm all for it I like the old and new Supernova! | ||
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Zealot Lord
Hong Kong747 Posts
I just feel like people who do these cosmetic surgery become too similar, loses the individual uniqueness appeal personally. Sure he may look better - but if you ask me, before one would be able to point out supernova out of a crowd. now? i doubt I could... | ||
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United States428 Posts
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United States11903 Posts
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
On December 28 2012 16:40 Zealot Lord wrote: Am I the only one that prefers his old look more? lol I just feel like people who do these cosmetic surgery become too similar, loses the individual uniqueness appeal personally. Sure he may look better - but if you ask me, before one would be able to point out supernova out of a crowd. now? i doubt I could... SuperNova is rather tall for a Korean (182cm, 6'0''), so I guess he will still stand out in a crowd. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On December 28 2012 15:14 mtn wrote: Haha... Jesus. Should I feel bad after laughing at that? lol But still Supernova looks like a totally different person^^ Hope he is okay with the results I laugh at it too. It's a joke, but also serious | ||
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United Kingdom4425 Posts
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Finnz
United Kingdom260 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:19 Eufouria wrote: Whats changed apart from the double eyelids? Apart from them I think he's just cut some body fat, most people would be surprised how much better you can look if you have less fat on your face. well then he should go for a run...lol | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
"Koreans care too much about looks, its just a body it's not important!" "Eww, he got plastic surgery and isn't 'natural'!" If the body is just a body and unimportant (which I agree with) then we shouldn't be making a big deal about plastic surgery, one way or the other. I feel like Asian societies are actually far more progressive regarding body image and identity than most Western societies, who still think there is something 'special' about our genetically determined physique. Think about it this way: they don't care about their bodies enough to change it all willy-nilly and not think anything of it. We're the conservative old fogies wagging our fingers and saying "that's not natural" Also think he looks great, much better after. Considering the amount of money spent on fashion accessories in the world, it was a bargain. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:22 zefreak wrote: I feel like Asian societies are actually far more progressive regarding body image and identity than most Western societies, Huh, that's not being more progressive, that's being more superficial, which is saying something since the west is already pretty superficial themselves. | ||
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Austria24417 Posts
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CartieR
United States2 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:20 rift wrote: koreans care about appearance too much... There are a lot of people who care about their appearance... | ||
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habeck
1120 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:22 zefreak wrote: Western attitudes towards plastic surgery frustrate me to no end. "Koreans care too much about looks, its just a body it's not important!" "Eww, he got plastic surgery and isn't 'natural'!" If the body is just a body and unimportant (which I agree with) then we shouldn't be making a big deal about plastic surgery, one way or the other. I feel like Asian societies are actually far more progressive regarding body image and identity than most Western societies, who still think there is something 'special' about our genetically determined physique. Think about it this way: they don't care about their bodies enough to change it all willy-nilly and not think anything of it. We're the conservative old fogies wagging our fingers and saying "that's not natural" Also think he looks great, much better after. Considering the amount of money spent on fashion accessories in the world, it was a bargain. Like really? "THey don care about their bodies enough to change it" ????? If they didnt care about their bodies, they wouldnt change them like that.... they do care about their BODIES | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:22 zefreak wrote: Western attitudes towards plastic surgery frustrate me to no end. "Koreans care too much about looks, its just a body it's not important!" "Eww, he got plastic surgery and isn't 'natural'!" If the body is just a body and unimportant (which I agree with) then we shouldn't be making a big deal about plastic surgery, one way or the other. I feel like Asian societies are actually far more progressive regarding body image and identity than most Western societies, who still think there is something 'special' about our genetically determined physique. Think about it this way: they don't care about their bodies enough to change it all willy-nilly and not think anything of it. We're the conservative old fogies wagging our fingers and saying "that's not natural" Also think he looks great, much better after. Considering the amount of money spent on fashion accessories in the world, it was a bargain. Not asain as whole think plastic surgery as normal thing to do. I am thai and I and people here still think it's not the best thing to do but there's nothing wrong with it though. | ||
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
The Modern Korean: Looks | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:25 Canucklehead wrote: Huh, that's not being more progressive, that's being more superficial, which is saying something since the west is already pretty superficial themselves. I feel like it's more progressive because it tears away yet another arbitrary taboo. If people want to look a certain way, and almost everyone wants to look a certain way whether they admit it not, they should be able to without shame or dishonesty. Wanting to look a certain way is not superficial, ONLY CARING ABOUT LOOKS would be superficial. | ||
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Miserie
Belgium92 Posts
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:26 habeck wrote: Like really? "THey don care about their bodies enough to change it" ????? If they didnt care about their bodies, they wouldnt change them like that.... they do care about their BODIES If you think the body is something special and tied to your identity, you would feel disturbed at the thought of changing it so drastically. If you think of the body as just a hunk of flesh that supports your magnificent brain, you won't have a problem with shaping it anyway you want. The less you tie your body image with your identity, the more likely you are to change it. In other words, the 'psychological cost' associated with the transaction decreases, the corollary being that the break-even threshold for the transaction is lowered. You are partly correct in that they must have a preference regarding their physical features. This is different than being shallow or including ones body image in ones identity. People change hairstyles and clothes without overly worrying about it because these things are so distant from their conception of self image. When people distance their physical features from their concepts of self image as well, that is progress. | ||
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nucleo
292 Posts
He's gonna be a model! so sexy <3 gl in 2013 SuperNova! | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:33 zefreak wrote: I feel like it's more progressive because it tears away yet another arbitrary taboo. If people want to look a certain way, and almost everyone wants to look a certain way whether they admit it not, they should be able to without shame or dishonesty. Wanting to look a certain way is not superficial, ONLY CARING ABOUT LOOKS would be superficial. There's nothing arbitrary about the dislike of having surgery for small cosmetic reasons. Surgery is a big deal. Things can and do go wrong all the time despite very small risks. It's also a strong signal of lack of confidence and unhappiness. You should watch some honest documentaries on plastic surgery. It's not pretty. | ||
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ETisME
12387 Posts
They don't show sympathy to people who aren't good looking. They had to get their face changed to have some progress yet they receive another society hate when they find out they had surgery. I think Taiwan and korea are more or less the only society where surgeries are common and won't be looked down upon. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:42 ETisME wrote: The society sucks too hard. They don't show sympathy to people who aren't good looking. They had to get their face changed to have some progress yet they receive another society hate when they find out they had surgery. I think Taiwan and korea are more or less the only society where surgeries are common and won't be looked down upon. I agree with you, but even in korea plastic surgery is often looked down upon by stuck up men who only like 'natural girls'. Same as the west. | ||
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KenZo-
Faroe Islands190 Posts
GL with it tho. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:41 vrok wrote: There's nothing arbitrary about the dislike of having surgery for small cosmetic reasons. Surgery is a big deal. Things can and do go wrong all the time despite very small risks. It's also a strong signal of lack of confidence and unhappiness. You should watch some honest documentaries on plastic surgery. It's not pretty. It is arbitrary. Of course there are costs and benefits, but the fact is the risks of such minor cosmetic surgery, ESPECIALLY IN KOREA where they have some of the best specialists in the world, are minor. It really is NOT a big deal. If you have a problem with cosmetic surgery because there are minor risks, you should also have a problem with driving cars and flying on airplanes because there are also minor risks. Plus, it's not your place to weigh the pros and cons of these decisions. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:33 zefreak wrote: I feel like it's more progressive because it tears away yet another arbitrary taboo. If people want to look a certain way, and almost everyone wants to look a certain way whether they admit it not, they should be able to without shame or dishonesty. Wanting to look a certain way is not superficial, ONLY CARING ABOUT LOOKS would be superficial. I feel like you're missing the pressures that often cause people to want to change how they look, ESPECIALLY in some Asian societies. Shame is on the other end of the equation. If it actually improves one's self-worth and happiness, then by all means it's a good thing. The problem is it usually doesn't (this has been studied in the West, but I've never seen it in East Asia), and the reason people felt bad in the first place came from societal pressures about how to look. That is superficial. I hope it does make him happier. | ||
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AlgeriaT
Sweden2197 Posts
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:45 Jibba wrote: I feel like you're missing the pressures that often cause people to want to change how they look, ESPECIALLY in some Asian societies. Shame is on the other end of the equation. The pressures are there, but the problem isn't cosmetic surgery. In fact, it's the solution. You think there aren't equivalent pressures in other parts of the world? Fact is, ugly people are just ignored here in the US. If you aren't born with the right combination of genes, good luck being successful in business and romance, because your options are much more limited than if you are tall, white and handsome. I feel like people rightly grasp the problem of social pressures regarding looks and then wrongly see plastic surgery as the problem. If 'social pressure' is one side of the equation, it is the same in every country in the world. If plastic surgery was as cheap everywhere as it is in korea, if the surgeons were as experienced and if there weren't taboos against changing your genetically determined appearance then it would be just as popular everywhere. Not because social pressures would necessarily increase but because the deterrent factors would be decreased. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:49 zefreak wrote: Fact is, ugly people are just ignored here in the US. If you aren't born with the right combination of genes, good luck being successful in business and romance, because your options are much more limited than if you are tall, white and handsome. I think that's extremely, extremely far from the truth. | ||
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:49 zefreak wrote: The pressures are there, but the problem isn't cosmetic surgery. In fact, it's the solution. You think there aren't equivalent pressures in other parts of the world? Fact is, ugly people are just ignored here in the US. If you aren't born with the right combination of genes, good luck being successful in business and romance, because your options are much more limited than if you are tall, white and handsome. Are you calling being with somebody who wouldn't be with you if you were less good looking "success" in romance? As for business, there is a line between being presentable and not, past that it doesn't matter as much, especially if you're a man. | ||
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Juliette
United States6003 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:49 zefreak wrote: The pressures are there, but the problem isn't cosmetic surgery. In fact, it's the solution. You think there aren't equivalent pressures in other parts of the world? Fact is, ugly people are just ignored here in the US. If you aren't born with the right combination of genes, good luck being successful in business and romance, because your options are much more limited than if you are tall, white and handsome. I feel like people rightly grasp the problem of social pressures regarding looks and then wrongly see plastic surgery as the problem. If 'social pressure' is one side of the equation, it is the same in every country in the world. If plastic surgery was as cheap everywhere as it is in korea, if the surgeons were as experienced and if there weren't taboos against changing your genetically determined appearance then it would be just as popular everywhere. Not because social pressures would necessarily increase but because the deterrent factors would be decreased. I'm not saying plastic surgery should be a taboo or looked down upon, I'm saying your interpretation of it being a more progressive system is off. ETisME sums it up well. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:51 Jibba wrote: I think that's extremely, extremely far from the truth. Are you white? I don't mean to be confrontational or controversial, but its very well documented that White males get preferential treatment in business and dating. Asian males and African females get some of the worst treatment. | ||
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IndyO
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Soma.bokforlag
Sweden448 Posts
supernova used to be so cute, now he looks just like everyone else i know its hard to be different when youre young, but when you get older youll find it helped build character and that it is important to accept who you are these kind of things doesnt change just because you fix your eyes.. next you start to notice your teeth arent perfect, or maybe your ears. that little tummy? the best thing supernova could have done for his money is meet a good therapist that coult have helped him love his own look and be comfortable with being who he is | ||
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:57 zefreak wrote: Are you white? I don't mean to be confrontational or controversial, but its very well documented that White males get preferential treatment in business and dating. Asian males and African females get some of the worst treatment. Err..... How does treatment based on race have anything to do with plastic surgery? Unless some non-white person decides to pull a Michael Jackson... | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:57 zefreak wrote: Are you white? I don't mean to be confrontational or controversial, but its very well documented that White males get preferential treatment in business and dating. Asian males and African females get some of the worst treatment. I'm half Asian and half White. Race does still matter in the US, but I think it's disingenuous to lump Asian males in with African-American females (Asian-Americans are the highest earning racial demographic in the US, btw.) Furthermore, this doesn't necessarily translate into attractiveness. Look at the Forbes' top 30 under 30 that just came out. There's a lot of brilliant people with very bright futures, but they certainly didn't make it on the list for looks. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:57 Jibba wrote: I'm not saying plastic surgery should be a taboo or looked down upon, I'm saying your interpretation of it being a more progressive system is off. Please explain why a society that is accepting of plastic surgery isn't more progressive than one that is not. I feel like I could possibly convince you if I knew exactly what your arguments were. Granted, I'm an atheist transhumanist who thinks I should be able to have bunny ears and giant Angelina Jolie lips if I so desire. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:59 Soma.bokforlag wrote: so sad.. i hope this trend of pressure that everyone should look exactly the same doesnt spread, but that these asian countries get their shit together. supernova used to be so cute, now he looks just like everyone else i know its hard to be different when youre young, but when you get older youll find it helped build character and that it is important to accept who you are these kind of things doesnt change just because you fix your eyes.. next you start to notice your teeth arent perfect, or maybe your ears. that little tummy? the best thing supernova could have done for his money is meet a good therapist that coult have helped him love his own look and be comfortable with being who he is Your looks have nothing to do with who you are. This is what I'm talking about. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:01 zefreak wrote: Because if you got bunny ears and Angelina Jolie lips, they would mock you mercilessly for looking so weird, and you would be treated much, much worse. Like I said, the shame is on the other end of the equation. They're getting it to fit in to the norm, not to make themselves unique.Please explain why a society that is accepting of plastic surgery isn't more progressive than one that is not. I feel like I could possibly convince you if I knew exactly what your arguments were. Granted, I'm an atheist transhumanist who thinks I should be able to have bunny ears and giant Angelina Jolie lips if I so desire. It's not simply that they're ok with plastic surgery (which they're not entirely, btw.) It's also that they're very judgmental if you don't look a certain way, thus people get the plastic surgery to look that way. This is the kind of thing Gangnam Style was actually about, and why PSY getting big was interesting. The whole thing was a social commentary. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:03 Jibba wrote: Because if you got bunny ears and Angelina Jolie lips, they would mock you mercilessly for looking so weird, and you would be treated much, much worse. Like I said, the shame is on the other end of the equation. They're getting it to fit in to the norm, not to make themselves unique. Perhaps I wasn't clear. I'm not saying that Korea is more progressive because they don't have beauty standards or pressure to conform to them (every country does, and while korea has head-to-body ratio and S curves, the west has the golden hip-waist-chest ratio and other standards). I'm saying that their acceptance of drastic physical feature modification is progressive. If you could magically remove beauty standards and social pressure from both the US and Korea, which country do you think would have people running around with bunny ears and which wouldn't because it's not 'natural'? In other words, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. These discussions always devolve into people bashing plastic surgery when the real criticism should be aimed at the tendency for societies to pressure people to look a certain way, whether it is korea or the US. | ||
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Mortal
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:08 zefreak wrote: Perhaps I wasn't clear. I'm not saying that Korea is more progressive because they don't have beauty standards or pressure to conform to them (every country does, and while korea has head-to-body ratio and S curves, the west has the golden hip-waist-chest ratio and other standards). I'm saying that their acceptance of drastic physical feature modification is progressive. If you could magically remove beauty standards and social pressure from both the US and Korea, which country do you think would have people running around with bunny ears and which wouldn't because it's not 'natural'? There's already plenty of Americans who do this so I don' know. It's a bad hypothetical. In other words, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. These discussions always devolve into people bashing plastic surgery when the real criticism should be aimed at the tendency for societies to pressure people to look a certain way, whether it is korea or the US. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:01 zefreak wrote: Please explain why a society that is accepting of plastic surgery isn't more progressive than one that is not. Because you're missing the reason why they're accepting of plastic surgery. It's because the country is very superficial and cares about looks a lot. That is why they're accepting of plastic surgery because everyone wants to make themselves better looking due to the way people who aren't great looking are treated. You're acting like it's some progressive thing like giving women the right to vote or something, instead of the superficial reason that everyone just wants to be better looking due to societal pressures, so that's why they accept it. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 28 2012 17:57 Jibba wrote: ETisME sums it up well. You realize that he isn't necessarily condemning plastic surgery? His point is that they feel pressured to get it and then when the do, people from western society criticize them and shame them for doing so. "The society sucks too hard. They don't show sympathy to people who aren't good looking. They had to get their face changed to have some progress yet they receive another society hate when they find out they had surgery. I think Taiwan and korea are more or less the only society where surgeries are common and won't be looked down upon." | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:17 zefreak wrote: You realize that he isn't necessarily condemning plastic surgery? I haven't condemned it anywhere either. His point is both sides to it suck, and I agree. | ||
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iGX
Australia414 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:24 neoghaleon55 wrote: omg he looks like NADA! supernova's body thread! new look, new year, new game! | ||
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NotoriousBig
Germany301 Posts
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:08 zefreak wrote: Perhaps I wasn't clear. I'm not saying that Korea is more progressive because they don't have beauty standards or pressure to conform to them (every country does, and while korea has head-to-body ratio and S curves, the west has the golden hip-waist-chest ratio and other standards). I'm saying that their acceptance of drastic physical feature modification is progressive. If you could magically remove beauty standards and social pressure from both the US and Korea, which country do you think would have people running around with bunny ears and which wouldn't because it's not 'natural'? In other words, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. These discussions always devolve into people bashing plastic surgery when the real criticism should be aimed at the tendency for societies to pressure people to look a certain way, whether it is korea or the US. Korea is much further from removing beauty standards though, that's a much more realistic (although still highly improbable) idea in the US. Korea might be more progressive in terms of acceptance of plastic surgery, but it is way behind overall in terms of acceptance of anything other than the golden beauty standards. Every country has ideals of beauty, but in the west we've moved on from whiter is better. Also on the subway here in London there are way more people, than in Seoul, who clearly don't care about how they look very much. That alone shows how much more pressure there is in korea. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:14 Jibba wrote: I'm really not. I don't think better or worse of anyone for doing it, even the really bizarre ones. It just makes me sad when people don't like the way they look, especially if it's from an external, mean source. That's fair, although I think very few people actually do like the way they look. The fact that in Korea (and Japan and China) plastic surgery is such a readily available option means that people that are dissatisfied can change that. I agree that the optimal state of affairs would be that people are happy with their appearance from the start, but that is so far-fetched it's hardly worth entertaining. It's like complaining about greed, or jealousy. People are going to be dissatisfied with their looks, as they are in most areas of their lives. It's what keeps us moving. To be fair, I'm coming from a position of having inherited a very annoying skin condition. I am not happy with my body although I am happy with myself as a person. It doesn't bother me that much but I would have no qualms with performing surgery to change it and other features that I find sub-optimal, if the price was right (it isn't). I don't see how anyone can disagree with that . | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:25 Eufouria wrote: Korea is much further from removing beauty standards though, that's a much more realistic (although still highly improbable) idea in the US. Korea might be more progressive in terms of acceptance of plastic surgery, but it is way behind overall in terms of acceptance of anything other than the golden beauty standards. Every country has ideals of beauty, but in the west we've moved on from whiter is better. Also on the subway here in London there are way more people, than in Seoul, who clearly don't care about how they look very much. That alone shows how much more pressure there is in korea. I guess I agree with this, and I hope it changes. Perhaps there wasn't a real disagreement after all, although I feel most people have more of an 'ick' reaction to plastic surgery than caring about beauty standards and pressure. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:31 zefreak wrote: I guess I agree with this, and I hope it changes. Perhaps there wasn't a real disagreement after all, although I feel most people have more of an 'ick' reaction to plastic surgery than caring about beauty standards and pressure. I don't care if someone gets plastic surgery. I disagreed with your notion that they were more progressive as a society for accepting plastic surgery because that isn't really something to put on a moral pedestal. | ||
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
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AssyrianKing
Australia2111 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:26 zefreak wrote: That's fair, although I think very few people actually do like the way they look. The fact that in Korea (and Japan and China) plastic surgery is such a readily available option means that people that are dissatisfied can change that. I agree that the optimal state of affairs would be that people are happy with their appearance from the start, but that is so far-fetched it's hardly worth entertaining. It's like complaining about greed, or jealousy. People are going to be dissatisfied with their looks, as they are in most areas of their lives. It's what keeps us moving. To be fair, I'm coming from a position of having inherited a very annoying skin condition. I am not happy with my body although I am happy with myself as a person. It doesn't bother me that much but I would have no qualms with performing surgery to change it and other features that I find sub-optimal, if the price was right (it isn't). I don't see how anyone can disagree with that . Well, at least in Western studies they've found plastic surgery is often related to underlying self worth issues, and the end result is that while patients are satisfied with the surgery, it doesn't end up improving their quality of life, confidence or outlook. There's definitely exceptions to that (and I believe it's more likely to do these things as we get older, because expectations are muted) but the problem usually isn't as simple as "I don't like my appearance." And I do have psoriasis in remission and I wouldn't risk inflaming it for better appearance. I have other imperfections that I wouldn't touch, even with the money to do so, because they're just me. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:36 Glioburd wrote: Oh, I thought he had a new haircut... he has a new face wtf. There wouldn't be a thread for that, lol. Well... i'm not a pro at seeing what changed, but his eyes for sure. Now he isn't looking so cute anymore | ||
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2577 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:26 zefreak wrote: It doesn't bother me that much but I would have no qualms with performing surgery to change it and other features that I find sub-optimal, if the price was right (it isn't). I don't see how anyone can disagree with that . I think this is a very important point. A lot of people see the choice to have cosmetic surgery performed as a shallow choice that indicates weak character in some way. But the fact of the matter is, if a fairy popped up and offered to make you beautiful without cost or consequence, I have a hard time imagining someone declining. The question is thus one of what costs and consequences are acceptable to a person, which puts cosmetic surgery on a spectrum. Given how much it currently costs, the risks associated, and the fact that as a white male in a western country, I am privileged beyond all reason even if I'm not particularly attractive*, the equation is so far from making sense for me that I've never given cosmetic surgery any thought. I don't think it's reasonable to look down on anyone else's decision to get it done, though, since there are so many factors at play in the decision to change one's own physical appearance that no one else could ever possibly judge whether it's a reasonable choice. *Not that I'm not a total hottie. I totally am. | ||
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RageCommodore
Germany912 Posts
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WigglingSquid
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:34 Canucklehead wrote: I don't care if someone gets plastic surgery. I disagreed with your notion that they were more progressive as a society for accepting plastic surgery because that isn't really something to put on a moral pedestal. A society can be progressive in one area and not in others. I still feel their acceptance of plastic surgery is progressive. They may be more behind in other areas, probably because they are a homogeneous society with an extremely quick economic development and their political and social customs haven't quite caught up. Progressive isn't directly related to morality, btw. | ||
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superjoppe
Sweden3683 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:44 zefreak wrote: A society can be progressive in one area and not in others. I still feel their acceptance of plastic surgery is progressive. We don't agree on the definition of progressive then. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:41 Jibba wrote: I have other imperfections that I wouldn't touch, even with the money to do so, because they're just me. This is a bit of my point though. Does this not imply that your body image is more closely tied to your self-identity? If you had a dirty shirt and could magically replace it with a clean shirt, few would have a problem. However when it comes to physical imperfections, many people feel more attached to these, as if changing them would change 'a part of themselves'. I don't want to pretend that I never have those reactions as well, blame my upbringing or biology, but I think that in a perfect world such a connection wouldn't exist. The ultimate result of not caring about appearance (what people consider "shallow") is not including your physical appearance in your self-image at all. | ||
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Rescawen
Finland1028 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:52 Canucklehead wrote: We don't agree on the definition of progressive then. Online poker is legal in China. Do you have a problem with saying that their online gambling legislation is more progressive than that of the United States, even if other aspects of their legal code are stuck in the stone age? | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:56 zefreak wrote: Online poker is legal in China. Do you have a problem with saying that their online gambling legislation is more progressive than that of the United States, even if other aspects of their legal code are stuck in the stone age? lol legal as long as it's within the country, we can't play with any chinese online | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:58 ROOTFayth wrote: lol legal as long as it's within the country, we can't play with any chinese online Still better than the United States.. | ||
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SgtCoDFish
United Kingdom1520 Posts
On Topic: Jesus Christ that's striking... good for him, I guess, I hope it makes him happy | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:57 ROOTFayth wrote: asians really don't like the shape of their eyes I agree with this wholeheartedly. | ||
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sekritzzz
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ScoutWBF
Germany602 Posts
Also Asians with round eyes are kind of weird. Doesn't really fit them most of the time. (Imo) | ||
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MiCa
United States147 Posts
P.S. Not all asians hate their eyes. | ||
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Psychobabas
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Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10126 Posts
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Locke-
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ChrysaliS_
United States261 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:02 zefreak wrote: Your looks have nothing to do with who you are. And the prevalence of cosmetic surgery in South Korea is arguably a direct result of the failure of Korean culture to accept this truth. And that is why people think plastic surgery being so commonplace is non-progressive. | ||
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AcesAnoka
Belgium262 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10126 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:02 zefreak wrote: Your looks have nothing to do with who you are. That's simply not true. | ||
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imPermanenCe
Netherlands595 Posts
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Uquu
Finland474 Posts
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
I think your looks should have nothing to do with who you are. Happy now? | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10126 Posts
On December 28 2012 19:28 zefreak wrote: I think your looks should have nothing to do with who you are. Happy now? Unrealistic but sure, you can have idealistic thoughts ;p | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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LemonyTang
United Kingdom428 Posts
SuperNova fighting regardless!! | ||
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SpaceFighting
New Zealand690 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6259 Posts
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
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qwertyindeed
151 Posts
On December 28 2012 18:57 ROOTFayth wrote: asians really don't like the shape of their eyes Agreed. Almost comparable to brown people going for laser hair removal and super pale white people trying to get a tan. Everyone is unsatisfied with part of themselves, more physically rather then inwardly. Edit: lol just read over what i said. Double eyelid surgery isn't really comparable to shaving or staying out in the sun | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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ZerglingTwins
United States850 Posts
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misspoo
France63 Posts
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
Respect as a pro-gamer: Still there. Just my 2c. Plastic surgery? What was wrong with him beforehand?? User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
This constent drive for a so called perfection, makes young people (in perticulare) insecure as can be. but if this is making him a more happy man then he was, congratulations not quite the NaDa looker but it seemed to have worked for him. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On December 28 2012 21:48 Lysanias wrote: Nothing wrong with the old Supernova in my book. This Media "thing" on what is prity or not is getting rather discusting imo. This constent drive for a so called perfection, makes young people (in perticulare) insecure as can be. but if this is making him a more happy man then he was, congratulations not quite the NaDa looker but it seemed to have worked for him. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Sadly if you thought it was bad in our Western world with teenage girls doing all kinds of crazy shit to mimic what the media loves to portray as a standard for beauty (BECAUSE HEY FUCK INDIVIDUALISM RIGHT?? YOU LIKE WHAT WE SAY YOU LIKE!) the situation is much worse in Korea and it affects males too, as you can see. Quite the deplorable situation. I will say though, I like his new look. NaDa/JD son? | ||
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Littlemuff
United Kingdom301 Posts
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DKR
United Kingdom622 Posts
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gosublade
632 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Slackzftw
Germany361 Posts
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Bulgaria474 Posts
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
On December 28 2012 21:44 Xpace wrote: Respect as a human being: Gone. Respect as a pro-gamer: Still there. Just my 2c. Plastic surgery? What was wrong with him beforehand?? You lost your respect for someone because they didn't like how they looked and they changed it? Do you lose your respect for people who cut their hair? He just had his eyelids done. | ||
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
On December 28 2012 21:44 Xpace wrote: Respect as a human being: Gone. Respect as a pro-gamer: Still there. Just my 2c. Plastic surgery? What was wrong with him beforehand?? judgeing people you never met, very open minded bro ... | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On December 28 2012 21:44 Xpace wrote: Respect as a human being: Gone. Respect as a pro-gamer: Still there. Just my 2c. Plastic surgery? What was wrong with him beforehand?? In Belgium it's almost standard to correct your teeth around age 14-15 (braces). I wonder if this plastic surgery is the next step? Ask yourself: if 80% of the children get plastic surgery from their parents, would you give it also to your child? If you don't, it won't fit in the "group". Sad but true And WOW @ Stork! | ||
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paradoxOO9
United Kingdom1123 Posts
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Nisyax
Netherlands756 Posts
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IGotPlayguuu
Italy660 Posts
Well, now he's a sexy beast Gogo Supernova's body thread? | ||
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Cramsy
Australia1100 Posts
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Jaegeru
United Kingdom676 Posts
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theBOOCH
United States832 Posts
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Steglich
Denmark282 Posts
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ZerglingTwins
United States850 Posts
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On December 28 2012 22:22 Snowbear wrote: Ask yourself: if 80% of the children get plastic surgery from their parents, would you give it also to your child? If you don't, it won't fit in the "group". Sad but true That's a terrible reason to do anything for your kid though. Spillover peer pressure heh. | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
Completely different ! It's like... Mini-JD now ! :D | ||
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Aunvilgod
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On December 28 2012 13:24 neoghaleon55 wrote: omg he looks like NADA! Yes you are actually totally right! lulz. | ||
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
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kellymilkies
Singapore1393 Posts
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Aunvilgod
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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lolmlg
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On December 28 2012 23:18 Wildmoon wrote: I think he looked better before. He looks kinda girlish with this new look. Then he'll be bigger than G-Dragon. | ||
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On December 28 2012 22:50 Steglich wrote: Changing your looks that dramatically is wrong. I can't even recognize him Just watch his stream. He's still Supernova. Looks a bit 'improved', but nowhere near as severe as the pictures suggest. | ||
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ZerglingTwins
United States850 Posts
On December 28 2012 23:14 Aunvilgod wrote: I don´t mind plastic surgery at all but I don´t like how asians dislike their natural looks. You have slim eyes, get along with it or become an even less happy country than you are anyway. I hope Life does not do the same thing. Not all Asian, just Korean, I think. Chinese and Japanese basically never do this kind of thing, celebrity would be bashed to death if media knows about it. | ||
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MisterTea
United Kingdom1047 Posts
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nomyx
United States2205 Posts
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Windwaker
Germany1597 Posts
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Tonttu
Finland606 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:24 neoghaleon55 wrote: omg he looks like NADA! My thoughts | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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Exoteric
Australia2330 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On December 29 2012 00:06 Exoteric wrote: if he wanted to get surgery, good for him, i don't see why he should be looked down at for it It's more like why he should be looked down before it | ||
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nemonic
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Michaels
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fire_brand
Canada1123 Posts
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NeWeNiyaLord
Norway2474 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On December 29 2012 00:10 Gladiator333 wrote: It's more like why he should be looked down before it Because that is the mentality that the media has been pushing, an arbitrary standard of "this is what beauty is supposed to look like" that keeps being fed to the masses over and over. And then, you advertise products that make people feel really insecure, products that will help them reach that arbitrary standard. And if you think this is bad here in the west, with "hey women need to look like a cross between a famous porn star and Barbie or else you're ugly" and "men need to look like [insert random celebrity actor here]", well as it turns out for some reason this attitude is a lot more prevalent in Korea than here. So there you go. Like I said, it's an awful situation but I'm not sure that it can even be changed at this point for the people whose tastes and wills have already been molded and brainwashed into buying tons of cosmetics and having surgeries. | ||
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Grettin
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On December 28 2012 23:46 ZerglingTwins wrote: Not all Asian, just Korean, I think. Chinese and Japanese basically never do this kind of thing, celebrity would be bashed to death if media knows about it. In Korea basically every celebrity denies having surgery, even though its extremely common among the general population and most celebrities have double eyelids. | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
On December 28 2012 21:44 Xpace wrote: Respect as a human being: Gone. Respect as a pro-gamer: Still there. Just my 2c. Plastic surgery? What was wrong with him beforehand?? I guess you don't respect women that put silicone as well? Then you wouldn't also respect people in general that put makeup, right? Oooo bad me, trying to feel better about myself by changing the way i look. Who cares if my self-esteem is crap right? I will lose respect as a human being if i do comestic surgery. Seriously.... don't post stupid things like that. | ||
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polpot
3002 Posts
I will miss the old Supernova. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:20 Fionn wrote: Who has the Before and After pictures of Stork? He wins in terms of changing one's look. Well the biggest problem stork had were acne.As far as I know he never actually had surgery. | ||
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
On December 28 2012 23:18 Makro wrote: yes now he's completely different, time to scout some girls now :D He's got a girlfriend. Said so on his stream. | ||
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WhX
Germany778 Posts
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On December 29 2012 00:26 Apolo wrote: I guess you don't respect women that put silicone as well? Then you wouldn't also respect people in general that put makeup, right? Oooo bad me, trying to feel better about myself by changing the way i look. Who cares if my self-esteem is crap right? I will lose respect as a human being if i do comestic surgery. Seriously.... don't post stupid things like that. But...the media...beauty standards...personality... | ||
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nooboon
2602 Posts
In the off season of SC2, we have not lots to talk about that isn't players leaving teams or moving to a new one. As your reading this, you can experience the new supernova yourself as he is streaming with a webcam. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
great looking guy now ahah | ||
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SomeONEx
Sweden641 Posts
looks great now though :D | ||
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
There is a big difference between fixing abnormalities caused by accidents such as burns, or repairing human functions from impairment, to "I want to look like a pop star." My original quote + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2012 21:44 Xpace wrote: Respect as a human being: Gone. Respect as a pro-gamer: Still there. Just my 2c. Plastic surgery? What was wrong with him beforehand?? Please note my question at the end: "What was wrong with him beforehand?" Were his eyes so impaired that he couldn't see the mini-map clearly and he therefore needed corrective surgery to continue his career as a pro-gamer as a way to make a living? Or was he simply dissatisfied with his looks that he wanted to look more like a K-drama supporting actor? On December 28 2012 22:22 Snowbear wrote: In Belgium it's almost standard to correct your teeth around age 14-15 (braces). I wonder if this plastic surgery is the next step? Ask yourself: if 80% of the children get plastic surgery from their parents, would you give it also to your child? If you don't, it won't fit in the "group". Sad but true And WOW @ Stork! Crooked teeth leads to things like periodontal disease and chronic inflammation; they're also harder to clean even if you're diligent about brushing and flossing. I'm not a dentist nor have I read beyond the pamphlets and posters I come across when I visit my dentist, so I won't go into this topic too far; but as you mentioned yourself, those individuals are CORRECTING their teeth for reasons related to health and hygiene. On December 28 2012 22:15 Corrosive wrote: You lost your respect for someone because they didn't like how they looked and they changed it? Do you lose your respect for people who cut their hair? He just had his eyelids done. That's a pretty bad strawman; I don't even know how to start with the haircut comparison. Seriously, what was wrong with him beforehand? On December 29 2012 00:26 Apolo wrote: I guess you don't respect women that put silicone as well? Then you wouldn't also respect people in general that put makeup, right? Oooo bad me, trying to feel better about myself by changing the way i look. Who cares if my self-esteem is crap right? I will lose respect as a human being if i do comestic surgery. Seriously.... don't post stupid things like that. "Trying to feel better about myself" - seriously? Don't post stupid things that. You want to feel better about yourself? Volunteer at a homeless shelter or a soup kitchen. Donate some clothes you never wear to that man in rags down the street. Sponsor as many children as you can in Bangladesh. Make friends with that guy who has no friends because of his looks. There are many ways to reward yourself and make yourself feel like a good human being than "I want to look like X because Hollywood says so." I'm not hating on the guy. I'm not saying what he did was wrong. I'm not advocating that other people should look down on those who want to go under the knife to look like the people they see in magazines and on TV. It's just my personal opinion; I dislike aesthetic plastic surgery, I consider it unnecessary and fake, and I don't like how society pushes men to look like X, or women to look like Y, especially when the level of what's considered "beautiful" or "attractive" is so twisted and malformed by companies who are out to push products by shoving the face of a person who's 1 in 10'000 or 100'000, with a crew of 10 people applying make-up, lighting, and unrealistic scenarios topped off by abhorrent transformations through Photoshop or whatnot. A woman shouldn't need Cosmopolitan or Vogue to tell her she's beautiful, a man shouldn't need to look like a Calvin Klein underwear model to be confident in himself, people shouldn't need to feel so insecure that they'd twist themselves to conform to an unrealistic standard. I'm repeating it one last time; this is just my opinion on the matter. I do not and will not try and stop somebody from doing whatever makes them happy. But I have the right to judge someone as I see fit, just as some people judge me, fairly or unfairly, for whatever I do or don't do. What was wrong with him beforehand? | ||
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TigerKarl
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
On December 29 2012 02:36 julianto wrote: He probably cares more about Korean girls' opinions of him than the opinions of guys who disapprove of plastic surgery. Perfect quote. Judgments by such guys who disapprove of plastic surgery therefore shouldn't be questioned! It doesn't really matter, does it? Also, he has a girlfriend. Definitely a keeper, considering she was there before his disfigurement. | ||
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
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GTPGlitch
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On December 29 2012 02:38 TigerKarl wrote: Wow, if this isn't fake, then i gotta admit that this is one of the rare cases where such an operation really did a good job. He looks like a really handsome man now, before he looked ultra nerdy. Dunno, so many people have plastic surgery that you wouldn't even think about because 1. You didn't see them before 2. They look completely normal Plastic surgery is not only about getting huge boobs or making ugly facelifts on aging hollywood stars. If this makes Supernova happier I'm happy for him for doing it | ||
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Slackzftw
Germany361 Posts
On December 29 2012 02:36 julianto wrote: He probably cares more about Korean girls' opinions of him than the opinions of guys who disapprove of plastic surgery. I wouldn't even touch a girl that did plastic surgery. At least we are far away from this crazy culture in asia. Aren't the Japanese even crazier with their culture? | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10126 Posts
On December 29 2012 02:49 Slackzftw wrote: I wouldn't even touch a girl that did plastic surgery. At least we are far away from this crazy culture in asia. Aren't the Japanese even crazier with their culture? Meh. Plastic surgery on the boobies is tricky though, i had touched some that feel like football balloons (literally) and others than are pretty good. I prefer naturals tho, but never say never. | ||
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FoxerGames
Australia120 Posts
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MDMA_
Canada265 Posts
On December 29 2012 02:49 Slackzftw wrote: I wouldn't even touch a girl that did plastic surgery. At least we are far away from this crazy culture in asia. Aren't the Japanese even crazier with their culture? the Japanese may be "crazy" with their fashion culture and what not but for the most part in Asia the plastic surgery craze is within South Korea. Look at the surgery that supernova got, you may not noticed it but after i think (?) he has "double eye lids". koreans highly value this look for example. | ||
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Squisher_
43 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:43 Kiowa wrote: Obv he needed surgery at a earlier stage. Poor guy could barely open his eyes. But then again, thats probably why he was a pro gamer, longer lengths without blinking. I'm suprised there hasn't been more discussion than this on whether the surgery actually makes him more physically comfortable, and maybe have better vertical peripheral vision. | ||
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ghindo
United States58 Posts
I don't think I ever expected a SC pro to get plastic surgery, but I probably shouldn't be surprised. | ||
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Squisher_
43 Posts
On December 28 2012 14:07 glzElectromaster wrote: [...] if Supernova had a hard time closing his mouth, then I think this surgery was somewhat reasonable. His appearance before made him really easy to distinguish, though. Did he really have non-eye surgery? | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
On December 29 2012 03:07 ghindo wrote: It bums me out that Koreans so strongly associate beauty with Western looks. I don't think I ever expected a SC pro to get plastic surgery, but I probably shouldn't be surprised.You'd be surprised how many actually already had it done, especially those who earned well and have been in the limelight. | ||
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smOOthMayDie
United States997 Posts
idk. just wondering >.>;; | ||
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synd
Bulgaria586 Posts
On December 29 2012 03:11 smOOthMayDie wrote: A little off-topic, and I dont want to sound ignorant or rude. But comparing the two pictures, in the first one it looks like he can barely see out of his eyes because they're so close together. With the surgery, does he have a broader range of vision now? I sort of imagine it being like holding a piece of paper right infront of your eyes, cutting your vision range in half. Or maybe a better analogy would be peeking through your fingers when you have your hand across your eyes. idk. just wondering >.>;; Racism at it's finest levels | ||
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
Asking a question to fill a space of ignorance with an answer is not racism. | ||
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Soda-88
Croatia476 Posts
Says the guy coming from the country who's sending 25 million gypsies to live in UK in a year. Edit: and claim benefits User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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smOOthMayDie
United States997 Posts
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mahO
France274 Posts
On December 28 2012 22:50 Steglich wrote: Changing your looks that dramatically is wrong. I can't even recognize him This. I mean if someone really feels unhappy about his appearance I can somehow understand the need to change it, well not personally but I guess I could get that, but I checked for a good minute the pictures to check if the ears were the same, the neck, because I really couldnt recognize him at ALL, thats just wrong, it's not the same person... | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
And anyone saying Supernova looked better before needs to have THEIR eyes surgically fixes. Everyone is allowed to their own opinions on plastic surgery, but trust me, the vast majority of south koreans, westerners, and every single other person, will prefer the new looks. I personally think it would be pretty sweet if people could be happy with their own looks and be respected for how they look no matter what, but you just sound like a dumbass if you try to make the case that plastic surgery as it's done in Korea usually makes you look worse, because that's flat out wrong. There's a good reason why pretty much every single famous young korean you know, be it a movie star or a music artist, has had work done. There's a reason they look as good as they do, and it's not that plastic surgery makes you look ugly. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On December 29 2012 03:24 mahO wrote: This. I mean if someone really feels unhappy about his appearance I can somehow understand the need to change it, well not personally but I guess I could get that, but I checked for a good minute the pictures to check if the ears were the same, the neck, because I really couldnt recognize him at ALL, thats just wrong, it's not the same person... Funny thing about people saying stuff like that is that they think they aren't being shallow, when they are actually being ridiculously shallow. "He doesn't look the same, so he's a different person". His looks are just that, how he looks. He's the exact same person. It's like changing your fashion, just far more expensive and invasive. | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
On December 29 2012 02:26 Xpace wrote: AESTHETIC ENHANCEMENT, AUGMENTATIVE or COSMETIC surgery is completely different from CORRECTIVE, or RECONSTRUCTIVE surgery; not so much in their practical applications, but in their reasoning. There is a big difference between fixing abnormalities caused by accidents such as burns, or repairing human functions from impairment, to "I want to look like a pop star." My original quote + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2012 21:44 Xpace wrote: Respect as a human being: Gone. Respect as a pro-gamer: Still there. Just my 2c. Plastic surgery? What was wrong with him beforehand?? Please note my question at the end: "What was wrong with him beforehand?" Were his eyes so impaired that he couldn't see the mini-map clearly and he therefore needed corrective surgery to continue his career as a pro-gamer as a way to make a living? Or was he simply dissatisfied with his looks that he wanted to look more like a K-drama supporting actor? Crooked teeth leads to things like periodontal disease and chronic inflammation; they're also harder to clean even if you're diligent about brushing and flossing. I'm not a dentist nor have I read beyond the pamphlets and posters I come across when I visit my dentist, so I won't go into this topic too far; but as you mentioned yourself, those individuals are CORRECTING their teeth for reasons related to health and hygiene. That's a pretty bad strawman; I don't even know how to start with the haircut comparison. Seriously, what was wrong with him beforehand? "Trying to feel better about myself" - seriously? Don't post stupid things that. You want to feel better about yourself? Volunteer at a homeless shelter or a soup kitchen. Donate some clothes you never wear to that man in rags down the street. Sponsor as many children as you can in Bangladesh. Make friends with that guy who has no friends because of his looks. There are many ways to reward yourself and make yourself feel like a good human being than "I want to look like X because Hollywood says so." I'm not hating on the guy. I'm not saying what he did was wrong. I'm not advocating that other people should look down on those who want to go under the knife to look like the people they see in magazines and on TV. It's just my personal opinion; I dislike aesthetic plastic surgery, I consider it unnecessary and fake, and I don't like how society pushes men to look like X, or women to look like Y, especially when the level of what's considered "beautiful" or "attractive" is so twisted and malformed by companies who are out to push products by shoving the face of a person who's 1 in 10'000 or 100'000, with a crew of 10 people applying make-up, lighting, and unrealistic scenarios topped off by abhorrent transformations through Photoshop or whatnot. A woman shouldn't need Cosmopolitan or Vogue to tell her she's beautiful, a man shouldn't need to look like a Calvin Klein underwear model to be confident in himself, people shouldn't need to feel so insecure that they'd twist themselves to conform to an unrealistic standard. I'm repeating it one last time; this is just my opinion on the matter. I do not and will not try and stop somebody from doing whatever makes them happy. But I have the right to judge someone as I see fit, just as some people judge me, fairly or unfairly, for whatever I do or don't do. What was wrong with him beforehand? Ok, so by that logic you must dress really poorly and never wear perfume. Bad clothes tend to be cheaper, so if you don't care about looks (because by your logic if you were feeling bad about yourself (which bad looks tend to do) you would go to a homeless shelter instead of changing your appearance by means of better clothes), might as well buy the cheapest thing. I suppose you also never put perfume, because it's also fake. Plastic surgery is as fake as makeup, or as fake as when you properly comb your hair with gel, or when you put perfume, or when you buy clothes that make you look more slim, or more fit... just not as permanent (except tatoos), at least for the time being. I also suppose, if there was a way to increase one's intelligence, you for sure, wouldn't take that, because it's fake, and because even if average there wasn't anything wrong with it before. "What's wrong with him?" Nothing, he just wanted to look better. At the end of your post i do agree with your words. We are pushed to very high heights of attractiveness and by comparison people feel less confident, but still that's not Supernova's fault... so that's why i think you were misleading your anger to Supernova when you actually meant to direct it at companies that portray beauty unrealisticly. | ||
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eScaper-tsunami
Canada313 Posts
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On December 29 2012 03:26 Tobberoth wrote: Funny thing about people saying stuff like that is that they think they aren't being shallow, when they are actually being ridiculously shallow. "He doesn't look the same, so he's a different person". His looks are just that, how he looks. He's the exact same person. It's like changing your fashion, just far more expensive and invasive. its really not. Changing your appearance via cosmetic surgery has a massive psychological effect, most people who have it also have a large shift in self perception and personality. Changing your clothes might make you feel better about yourself, but it doesn't change who you are, because when you look in the mirror you still have the same face and body staring back at you. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
wtf am i reading. lets get bionical arms and completly new heads, its all just makeup :D | ||
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ragz_gt
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mahO
France274 Posts
On December 29 2012 03:26 Tobberoth wrote: Funny thing about people saying stuff like that is that they think they aren't being shallow, when they are actually being ridiculously shallow. "He doesn't look the same, so he's a different person". His looks are just that, how he looks. He's the exact same person. It's like changing your fashion, just far more expensive and invasive. I'm talking about HIM, idiot, I'm not being shallow, he changed his own FACE, the face he saw in the mirror since his birth, the face he got from his genes, his elders, his parents, its part of HIM, I dont give a shit, I'm not judging, I'm saying its unhealthy to change your face to a point where his parents, his friends, will hardly recognize him, and even himself, will have trouble with it. There is a reason people have an obligation to get checked psychologically after changing face, so no, its not like "changing fashion" rofl Edit : It is to a point where fans wont recognize him at all at events, like "who the fuck is this guy?" "dunno maybe a broodwar pro", I mean seriously, you change your face that much if you want to go to Mexico and change identity | ||
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DinosaurJones
United States1000 Posts
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On December 28 2012 23:18 Wildmoon wrote: I think he looked better before. He looks kinda girlish with this new look. every single good looking korean men look kinda girlish | ||
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United States475 Posts
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hootsushi
Germany3468 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
On December 29 2012 04:18 ROOTFayth wrote: every single good looking korean men look kinda girlish there are a few exceptions, but i can only think of reach lool and lets be honest people, look at his eyes in the before picture it was showing like less then 20% of his eye. The surgery did make him look better, and being a young adult Korean that's in the spotlight a lot he was probably thinking about it for a long time. I just hope SK doesn't escalate in to full body morphing like some of those Japenese men to look like women. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On December 29 2012 04:00 Apolo wrote: Ok, so by that logic you must dress really poorly and never wear perfume. Bad clothes tend to be cheaper, so if you don't care about looks (because by your logic if you were feeling bad about yourself (which bad looks tend to do) you would go to a homeless shelter instead of changing your appearance by means of better clothes), might as well buy the cheapest thing. I suppose you also never put perfume, because it's also fake. Plastic surgery is as fake as makeup, or as fake as when you properly comb your hair with gel, or when you put perfume, or when you buy clothes that make you look more slim, or more fit... just not as permanent (except tatoos), at least for the time being. I also suppose, if there was a way to increase one's intelligence, you for sure, wouldn't take that, because it's fake, and because even if average there wasn't anything wrong with it before. "What's wrong with him?" Nothing, he just wanted to look better. At the end of your post i do agree with your words. We are pushed to very high heights of attractiveness and by comparison people feel less confident, but still that's not Supernova's fault... so that's why i think you were misleading your anger to Supernova when you actually meant to direct it at companies that portray beauty unrealisticly. i actually have alot less respect for people that get plastic surgery, put makeup on or try to "fake" what they look like, i dont care if someone isn't a supermodel but i do care if you are basically trying to physically lie (in my eyes) about what you look like, it feels dishonest | ||
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
On December 29 2012 04:29 sc14s wrote: i actually have alot less respect for people that get plastic surgery, put makeup on or try to "fake" what they look like, i dont care if someone isn't a supermodel but i do care if you are basically trying to physically lie (in my eyes) about what you look like, it feels dishonest It's not a lie if they do look like that. You're assuming how they used to be is how they really are which isn't the case. They are as they present themselves. Who are you to define someones individual reality? | ||
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
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WikidSik
Canada382 Posts
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Shinobi1982
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Without knowing, if someone said that's Supernova I'd like to know what that person is on and if I can have some. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
It's usually obvious that someone underwent plastic surgery, but these pictures don't suggest that immediately. | ||
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farvacola
United States18826 Posts
(And if you are one of those people who thinks "Any dramatic alteration of your physical appearance is unhealthy", then I would suggest that you do some research on the psychology of identification and self-image, these things are never so simple.) | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On December 29 2012 04:18 ROOTFayth wrote: every single good looking korean men look kinda girlish I think someone like David Kim,Polt or MMA look pretty ok and they don't look girlish at all. | ||
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On December 29 2012 04:29 sc14s wrote: i actually have alot less respect for people that get plastic surgery, put makeup on or try to "fake" what they look like, i dont care if someone isn't a supermodel but i do care if you are basically trying to physically lie (in my eyes) about what you look like, it feels dishonest Lol and I thought I'm superficial. You have less respect for people that wear makeup, shave or do basically anything to not look like a damn monkey? Must be a good world for you to live in. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On December 29 2012 04:33 Klipsys wrote: It's not a lie if they do look like that. You're assuming how they used to be is how they really are which isn't the case. They are as they present themselves. Who are you to define someones individual reality? Obviously would be why i stated it was how I personally view them. Who are you to define my individual reality? | ||
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decado90
United States480 Posts
On December 29 2012 05:04 ES.Genie wrote: Lol and I thought I'm superficial. You have less respect for people that wear makeup, shave or do basically anything to not look like a damn monkey? Must be a good world for you to live in. I do not grok. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On December 29 2012 05:04 ES.Genie wrote: Lol and I thought I'm superficial. You have less respect for people that wear makeup, shave or do basically anything to not look like a damn monkey? Must be a good world for you to live in. its funny that you put words in my mouth. Also demeaning monkeys is cool. i would consider myself not very superficial. I don't actually distrust someone because they wear makeup or get plastic surgery, its just something that i notice and would prefer it otherwise. You sort of misunderstood my statement. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On December 29 2012 04:18 ROOTFayth wrote: every single good looking korean men look kinda girlish The mantoss is not amused by your claim. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa9/KTF_Romantic/001-1.jpg) | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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Tiegrr
United States607 Posts
Honest question. As a KPop enthusiast. Edit: Lol. I can't read. Nvm. Edited right as you posted. | ||
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andaylin
United States10830 Posts
On December 29 2012 05:15 Tiegrr wrote: Did he get surgery? Honest question. As a KPop enthusiast. Read the first two sentences of thread maybe? | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On December 29 2012 05:12 MasterOfPuppets wrote: The mantoss is not amused by your claim. + Show Spoiler + LOL yeah there are a few exceptions, his hair are still pretty girlyish | ||
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Krallman
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On December 29 2012 04:14 mahO wrote: I'm talking about HIM, idiot, I'm not being shallow, he changed his own FACE, the face he saw in the mirror since his birth, the face he got from his genes, his elders, his parents, its part of HIM, I dont give a shit, I'm not judging, I'm saying its unhealthy to change your face to a point where his parents, his friends, will hardly recognize him, and even himself, will have trouble with it. There is a reason people have an obligation to get checked psychologically after changing face, so no, its not like "changing fashion" rofl Edit : It is to a point where fans wont recognize him at all at events, like "who the fuck is this guy?" "dunno maybe a broodwar pro", I mean seriously, you change your face that much if you want to go to Mexico and change identity Changing your face, no matter how much you've looked at it in the mirror, is still just changing your exterior. YOU might have a certain viewpoint about what it means to change your face using surgery, but it's important to realize that that's YOUR perspective and it's not shared by the korean populace in general. They see it as nothing more than fashion, no matter what you think about it, and while you would possibly have a huge psychological reaction, the same might not be true for koreans who already view cosmetic surgery differently than you. To them, it's not even close to as big of a deal as you think. Honestly, if people get psychological issues just because they look different in the mirror, we should probably ask people who use a ton of make up or dye their hair to look completely different to take psychological exams as well. You might consider the difference between dying your hair and changing your face huge, but koreans don't. | ||
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Steelavocado
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ragz_gt
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On December 29 2012 04:53 trinxified wrote: Maybe it doesn't look as real as we see it in pictures.. It's usually obvious that someone underwent plastic surgery, but these pictures don't suggest that immediately. You'd be surprised just how many people have done plastic surgeries, even around daily life. My mom works as lab tech with a dermatologist clinic, and the nurses there get free treatment as favors. You only think they are easy to recognize because you assume only those you recognized have done it. | ||
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dreamsmasher
816 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On December 29 2012 05:28 ragz_gt wrote: You'd be surprised just how many people have done plastic surgeries, even around daily life. My mom works as lab tech with a dermatologist clinic, and the many nurses nurses there get free treatment as favors. You only think they are easy to recognize because you assume only those you recognized have done it. This. If someone with no boobs get a huge boob job, it's obviously very noticeable, but smaller changes won't be all that noticeable, especially if you don't know the person very well. I mean, look at the old SNSD music videos, then look at new ones. It's clearly noticeable that they've all had work done, but it's far harder to pinpoint what they've done and I'd say it's still often far less noticeable than the pictures of supernova in this thread. | ||
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dreamsmasher
816 Posts
On December 29 2012 04:05 emythrel wrote: its really not. Changing your appearance via cosmetic surgery has a massive psychological effect, most people who have it also have a large shift in self perception and personality. Changing your clothes might make you feel better about yourself, but it doesn't change who you are, because when you look in the mirror you still have the same face and body staring back at you. who you are isn't static, it is dynamic. he previously had quite a number of unattractive features (really small eyes, even for an Asian, kind of crooked nose as well, a little bit more like a parrot). his new look is much more 'normal', what's wrong with altering your appearance to feel better about yourself. acquiring a different look (even clothes) if you want to make it consistent does require some difference in psychological evaluation of yourself, you have to *want* to look good on some level, to care about how well you look -- people who generally dress poorly have no desire to look good (could be a self esteem issue, could be that they truly don't care about it) its rarely a question of 'i dont know how to look good'. the reason i say this is that -- nice clothes usually demand on behalf of the wearer of said clothes to look better (to be somewhat slim, in shape, fit into clothes that are created to a 'general size' better), and to pay attention to color coordination, etc... | ||
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NoGasfOu
United States1117 Posts
On December 29 2012 05:27 Steelavocado wrote: That looks pretty disgusting. Don't be jealous! He looks better and handsome and gets more girls. That's a fact. | ||
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Azelja
Japan762 Posts
If he doesn't like the way he looked, why shouldn't he change it? Kudos to him | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2629 Posts
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PandaTank
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krutopatkin
Germany2612 Posts
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NoGasfOu
United States1117 Posts
On December 29 2012 06:16 Brutaxilos wrote: For all those people claiming that Asians value a "western" look, I strongly disagree. Asians have always favored light skin and large eyes. As for hair dye, we don't dye our hair to "look" white, it's just really as a social class thing. Fashion always changes and those who can afford to flow with it are seen as beautiful. Completely agree. I'm Asian and have large eyes without surgery. The last thing I want is to have Western eyes that look like 2 deep holes. I also don't like to have large nose and be hairy either. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
Gongchan: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://angielexisveloso.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/photos-b1a4-gongchan-at-incheon-airport-before-departed-to-macau-1.jpg?w=1200) They share the same nose and eyes now. ^^ | ||
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Cylluus
United States153 Posts
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JohannesH
Finland1364 Posts
On December 29 2012 06:35 Cylluus wrote: I don't see the big deal about this and I think he really shouldn't be judged on his personal decisions. IMO he looks better and if he thinks he looks better and feels better about himself now, then all the power to him. What people should be judged by, if not by their personal decisions? | ||
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
On December 29 2012 06:16 Brutaxilos wrote: For all those people claiming that Asians value a "western" look, I strongly disagree. Asians have always favored light skin and large eyes. As for hair dye, we don't dye our hair to "look" white, it's just really as a social class thing. Fashion always changes and those who can afford to flow with it are seen as beautiful. That is a "western" look | ||
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ragz_gt
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On December 29 2012 06:36 JohannesH wrote: Goddamn Koreans. Well, he still looks like a nerd. What people should be judged by, if not by their personal decisions? By how they affect those around them? | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On December 29 2012 06:32 NoGasfOu wrote: Completely agree. I'm Asian and have large eyes without surgery. The last thing I want is to have Western eyes that look like 2 deep holes. I also don't like to have large nose and be hairy either. Well, you live in the US, you have a different perspective. Trust me, most Koreans I've talked to definitely want the bigger nose as well and most have specifically said it's the western look they go for. This is also said all the time in documentaries on the issue. It might sound arrogant when westerners claim this, but this is what they want themselves. They don't want to look exactly like westerners, they just find some distinct western features attractive. Who knows why, but it's possible the same features would be sought after regardless of "western influence". | ||
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ReachTheSky
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babylon
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On December 29 2012 06:43 Tobberoth wrote: Well, you live in the US, you have a different perspective. Trust me, most Koreans I've talked to definitely want the bigger nose as well and most have specifically said it's the western look they go for. This is also said all the time in documentaries on the issue. It might sound arrogant when westerners claim this, but this is what they want themselves. They don't want to look exactly like westerners, they just find some distinct western features attractive. Who knows why, but it's possible the same features would be sought after regardless of "western influence". It's kind of interesting. While a lot of East Asians favor Western features, I think it's also true that a lot of Westerners find the East Asian features "exotic." | ||
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On December 29 2012 06:16 Brutaxilos wrote: For all those people claiming that Asians value a "western" look, I strongly disagree. Asians have always favored light skin and large eyes. As for hair dye, we don't dye our hair to "look" white, it's just really as a social class thing. Fashion always changes and those who can afford to flow with it are seen as beautiful. The pale thing is just from the archaic idea that if you're rich you don't work in the sun. Nowadays if you're rich you go on holiday to a hot country and you have a tan to show for your holiday. Korea is just a bit behind because less than 100 years ago it was one of the poorest countries in the world. Things will change, there are already Korean celebrities with tans that are widely seen as sexy, and the number will only grow until eventually everyone wants to look like then. Then when I go to Korea my friends won't be jealous of my God given, sun fearing, immune to tanning Irish genetics. | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2629 Posts
On December 29 2012 06:43 Tobberoth wrote: Well, you live in the US, you have a different perspective. Trust me, most Koreans I've talked to definitely want the bigger nose as well and most have specifically said it's the western look they go for. This is also said all the time in documentaries on the issue. It might sound arrogant when westerners claim this, but this is what they want themselves. They don't want to look exactly like westerners, they just find some distinct western features attractive. Who knows why, but it's possible the same features would be sought after regardless of "western influence". Okay, well, as an Asian with natural big eyes, I grew up with people telling me that I had beautiful eyes. This is from people of all ages and generations. I SERIOUSLY doubt that my grandparents, who care little about the west have had any influence whatsoever about western standards for looks. Also consider the fact that when I dyed my hair, my white friends spent a few months criticizing me for being too Asian. It's not about trying to look white, it's about trying to look like Asian stars and fit with the fashion trends. If you asked any Asian in Asia, I'm pretty sure over 80% would not want to be or look Caucasian. Asian Americans maybe not so much because a lot are whitewashed. Anyways, it is a bit arrogant, at least from my perspective that you people would think we are trying to look white. Just because whites posses some of the more favorable traits in Asian beauty (although not necessarily perceived the same way in terms of beauty), it isn't the look we are after. I'm sure that some whites have dyed their hair black before. You can't assume that they are trying to look Asian. (and just saying, not all Asians have small eyes, we have "good" traits in our genepool as well) | ||
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
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Chronos.
United States805 Posts
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On December 29 2012 06:56 Eufouria wrote: The pale thing is just from the archaic idea that if you're rich you don't work in the sun. Nowadays if you're rich you go on holiday to a hot country and you have a tan to show for your holiday. Korea is just a bit behind because less than 100 years ago it was one of the poorest countries in the world. Things will change, there are already Korean celebrities with tans that are widely seen as sexy, and the number will only grow until eventually everyone wants to look like then. Then when I go to Korea my friends won't be jealous of my God given, sun fearing, immune to tanning Irish genetics. I doubt the tan thing we have in the west will take an effect in Korea any time soon. They are way to paranoid and obsessive with looking young and taking care of their skin to damage it by tanning. But maybe I'm wrong? After all, koreans drink and smokes like fucking crazy and that takes its toll on the skin with age too. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
But whatever, if he's happy wih it, i don't see why not. | ||
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Osyrul
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Now he can watch the supply and minimap without tilting his head. + Show Spoiler + j/k | ||
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dangthatsright
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Ettick
United States2434 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On December 29 2012 07:01 Brutaxilos wrote: Okay, well, as an Asian with natural big eyes, I grew up with people telling me that I had beautiful eyes. This is from people of all ages and generations. I SERIOUSLY doubt that my grandparents, who care little about the west have had any influence whatsoever about western standards for looks. Also consider the fact that when I dyed my hair, my white friends spent a few months criticizing me for being too Asian. It's not about trying to look white, it's about trying to look like Asian stars and fit with the fashion trends. If you asked any Asian in Asia, I'm pretty sure over 80% would not want to be or look Caucasian. Asian Americans maybe not so much because a lot are whitewashed. Anyways, it is a bit arrogant, at least from my perspective that you people would think we are trying to look white. Just because whites posses some of the more favorable traits in Asian beauty (although not necessarily perceived the same way in terms of beauty), it isn't the look we are after. I'm sure that some whites have dyed their hair black before. You can't assume that they are trying to look Asian. (and just saying, not all Asians have small eyes, we have "good" traits in our genepool as well) The thing is, there's nothing naturally "good" about big eyes and pale skin. It could just as well be that westerners would want to look more yellowish and have smaller eyes, and it's generally acknowledged that the reason those traits are favorable are because of western influence historically. It's easy to say "I made my hair blonde because I want to look like GDragon, I don't give a crap about the west", but that doesn't change where his fashion was influenced. It's obviously always up to the individual, but I find it weird any asians would take offence or deny the western influence when the most koreans who subject themselves to it don't deny it. Again, they don't want to look caucasian, but they look at western famous people and find their traits attractive. It's like when my asian friends from Japan and Korea come here and say the people here are so beautiful... well, they aren't, they are just westerners and happen to very commonly have those traits. I go around here and don't find the women all that attractive and instead react the same way in asia. It's exotic and different, I wouldn't marry a Korean if I found westerners more attractive, so this is not MY opinion at all, I'm just saying that if cosmetic surgeons in Korea in a documentary specifically state that most koreans they do work on ask for a "western style" or "western traits", there's probably a lot of truth in it. EDIT: As for the comment on pale skin being beautiful because of it indicates wealth, there's a lot of truth in that as well, though I don't think it's fair to say it's like that in Korea because they were poor 50 years ago, because it's the exact same in Japan, women from Hokkaidou are considered very beautiful because of their pale skin, while the view of Okinawans is the opposite. | ||
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Fearest
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On December 29 2012 07:37 Fearest wrote: well i don't blame him, he looks great now. Koreans are one of the most ugly asian looking country around so plastic surgery is very mainstream. If everybody is getting plastic surgery, then the ones that are not doing it are the odd ones. From having been in several Asian countries, I must say that's the most ridiculous lie I've ever read. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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brunostt
Brazil42 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
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blae000
Norway1640 Posts
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
On December 29 2012 07:37 Fearest wrote: well i don't blame him, he looks great now. Koreans are one of the most ugly asian looking country around so plastic surgery is very mainstream. If everybody is getting plastic surgery, then the ones that are not doing it are the odd ones. that's just not true.. well it's your opinion | ||
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United States1841 Posts
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MHT
Sweden1026 Posts
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Tyree
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If you dont feel good about yourself and how you look then it is hard, if not impossible to enjoy anything else. Yeah i said it, had to be said | ||
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BoB_KiLLeR
Spain620 Posts
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Leefang
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On December 29 2012 07:17 Gosi wrote: I doubt the tan thing we have in the west will take an effect in Korea any time soon. They are way to paranoid and obsessive with looking young and taking care of their skin to damage it by tanning. But maybe I'm wrong? After all, koreans drink and smokes like fucking crazy and that takes its toll on the skin with age too. I believe the general trend is to tint you skin lighter. SuperNova Fighting! Been watching this guys HotS stream and that SuperNova is so hot right now. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 29 2012 08:21 BoB_KiLLeR wrote: Handsome, but in my opinion this wasn't necesary, In korea, plastic surgery isn't just for 'necessary'. There was a joke skit on korean SNL about how such surgeries cost less than a designer bag. Why people think 'but was it necessary?' is a valid argument against anything is beyond me. | ||
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Detri
United Kingdom683 Posts
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
I think he is saying they valued that look before western culture was so dominant. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
Well, as long as he's happy with it >.< it actually took me a moment just to notice lol. | ||
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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Reno(TE)
United Kingdom434 Posts
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snowbird
Germany2044 Posts
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stonetalon
Netherlands482 Posts
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lolmlg
619 Posts
On December 29 2012 09:12 stonetalon wrote: Guys. Korean culture is veeeery different than European or American culture when it comes to plastic surgery. This graph from 2010 shows that South Kroea is #1 in the most surgeries performed it still is in 2012 (cant find graph for 2012)+ Show Spoiler + The prevalence and relative affordability of plastic surgery in South Korea is a big social problem because it enables people to pressure others into getting it. Aunts who think their niece isn't pretty enough will harrass her until she does it, etc. It happens a lot. I hope Supernova is happy with his appearance now but I also hope that the source of his unhappiness wasn't another person. | ||
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NoGasfOu
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lolmlg
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On December 29 2012 09:26 NoGasfOu wrote: Why not. You people don't go the the dentist to get your teeth fixed? What's the difference? They all use tools to fix imperfect parts of your body. I'm pretty sure people go to the dentist primarily to preserve their teeth. In a functional regard. Keeping them white or making them whiter is cosmetic but it's also not the point. | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On December 29 2012 09:19 lolmlg wrote: The prevalence and relative affordability of plastic surgery in South Korea is a big social problem because it enables people to pressure others into getting it. Aunts who think their niece isn't pretty enough will harrass her until she does it, etc. It happens a lot. I hope Supernova is happy with his appearance now but I also hope that the source of his unhappiness wasn't another person. This is very true, and the only really valid concern against the prevalence of plastic surgery IMO. I think it's fine if people want to do it, but if someone changes their face just because other people tell them to when they don't feel comfortable doing it, it's not fine anymore. That said, the same problem is common everywhere on a different scale... wear odd clothes? Bullied. Ugly hair? Bullied. We are a social animal and will adapt to the social norm, somehow. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
On December 29 2012 09:22 The_Darkness wrote: Wow, he looks so much better. It was totally worth it IMO. What a terrible thing to say :/ I never thought for second he looked "bad" but now that people can see the before/after, they're all, "Wow! He looks so much better!" implying that he was unattractive before, thus validating the train of thought that cosmetic facial surgery is totally worth with this type of backhanded compliment. | ||
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Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
On December 29 2012 09:41 MountainDewJunkie wrote: What a terrible thing to say :/ I never thought for second he looked "bad" but now that people can see the before/after, they're all, "Wow! He looks so much better!" implying that he was unattractive before, thus validating the train of thought that cosmetic facial surgery is totally worth with this type of backhanded compliment. But... it is worth it. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
But that's the prob--- ugh forget it. I cannot deny this fact, just pointing out that we feed it. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
Yep. It makes him look better, it makes him feel better and when he feel confident others will notice it from his charisma. It makes him fit in better in Korea too. It's just like how the fat or skinny guy in the west gets more respect when he turns into your avarage muscle pack to fit the norm. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 29 2012 09:41 MountainDewJunkie wrote: What a terrible thing to say :/ I never thought for second he looked "bad" but now that people can see the before/after, they're all, "Wow! He looks so much better!" implying that he was unattractive before, thus validating the train of thought that cosmetic facial surgery is totally worth with this type of backhanded compliment. Are you saying that attractiveness and degrees of beauty don't exist? He DOES look better, to many people. That doesn't imply that he looked ugly, it just implies that he looked worse. He could have been a 9/10 before and be 10/10 now, for example. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 29 2012 09:37 Tobberoth wrote: This is very true, and the only really valid concern against the prevalence of plastic surgery IMO. I think it's fine if people want to do it, but if someone changes their face just because other people tell them to when they don't feel comfortable doing it, it's not fine anymore. That said, the same problem is common everywhere on a different scale... wear odd clothes? Bullied. Ugly hair? Bullied. We are a social animal and will adapt to the social norm, somehow. The problem then isn't plastic surgery, its doing things because of social pressure. You don't blame clothes because some people feel pressured to wear them. Tattoos are cosmetic and some subcultures pressure adherents to get them, doesn't mean tattoos are a 'social problem'. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
On December 29 2012 10:01 zefreak wrote: Are you saying that attractiveness and degrees of beauty don't exist? He DOES look better, to many people. That doesn't imply that he looked ugly, it just implies that he looked worse. He could have been a 9/10 before and be 10/10 now, for example. Going from 9 to a 10 means he looks a "little better." But looking "SO MUCH better"?... It's obvious what they're saying. | ||
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On December 29 2012 06:16 Brutaxilos wrote: For all those people claiming that Asians value a "western" look, I strongly disagree. Asians have always favored light skin and large eyes. As for hair dye, we don't dye our hair to "look" white, it's just really as a social class thing. Fashion always changes and those who can afford to flow with it are seen as beautiful. Why would you try to deny that a lot of Korean culture is trying to mimic the west? Let me give you a few examples: + Show Spoiler + - The setting for this MV is so American inspired. Cheerleaders and American Football. + Show Spoiler + - Hummer, Basketball shirts and Snapback caps. + Show Spoiler + - It would not have surprised me to see John Travolta make a cameo appearance in this video. + Show Spoiler + - Harley Davidson and leather jackets. + Show Spoiler + - The setting in this MV is obviously heavily inspired by western architecture I am not trying to judge anyone here, but it is very obvious that a lot of Korean K-pop idols is very influenced by Western culture, and American culture in particular. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 29 2012 10:04 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Going from 9 to a 10 means he looks a "little better." But looking "SO MUCH better"?... It's obvious what they're saying. People are trying to compliment him, I doubt many are using it as a backhanded compliment. "Wow he looks great" may be a better way to express it, but few people put that much thought into their compliments. And for the record, I think he DOES look much better. I'd say he went from below average to above average. Whats wrong with that? | ||
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Xahhk
Canada540 Posts
On December 29 2012 10:04 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Going from 9 to a 10 means he looks a "little better." But looking "SO MUCH better"?... It's obvious what they're saying. He was unattractive aesthetically before, objectively. I'm a guy and I can see it from a girl's point of view. Better to say he looks much better than saying it even more frankly than that. | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
The positive spect that I see however is that you are no longer lucky/unlucky with the genes in regards of appearance. It puts people on equal footing in this regard. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
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On December 29 2012 09:19 lolmlg wrote: The prevalence and relative affordability of plastic surgery in South Korea is a big social problem because it enables people to pressure others into getting it. Aunts who think their niece isn't pretty enough will harrass her until she does it, etc. It happens a lot. I hope Supernova is happy with his appearance now but I also hope that the source of his unhappiness wasn't another person. You're right. Korean culture is probably one of the most rigid and socially brutal in the world, and from what people tell me, it's only getting worse. Screw caring an inconceivable amount about appearance, though. Individualism itself is highly frowned upon, and conformity is the name of the game. If you don't conform to and meet up to certain social and other standards, you aren't simply kind of looked down upon, you are almost mercilessly ostracized. | ||
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polpot
3002 Posts
The manly man, badass looking Supernova is now a bit too girlish! | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 29 2012 10:16 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: You're right. Korean culture is probably one of the most rigid and socially brutal in the world, and from what people tell me, it's only getting worse. Screw caring an inconceivable amount about appearance, though. Individualism itself is highly frowned upon, and conformity is the name of the game. If you don't conform to and meet up to certain social and other standards, you aren't simply kind of looked down upon, you are almost mercilessly ostracized. Unsurprising when you remember that Korea has historically been a strict Confucius society and has been under the boot of foreign powers and military dictators until the 80s. They also went from one of the worlds poorest nations to one of the most technologically advanced economies in the world in an extremely short amount of time. It's good to recognize Korean societies strengths and weaknesses, because there is a lot to love but a lot that requires change. It's not good to remain ignorant of the unique situation the country is in and judge its culture and people as 'shallow'. Their society has progressed more in the last 20 years than most Western societies. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8240 Posts
Man Koreans and their plastic... | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On December 29 2012 10:28 geokilla wrote: He's thinking of being a KPOP idol once his programmer career is over isn't he...? Man Koreans and their plastic... How is it possible for people to peruse a progaming news site and still manage to misspell the word progamer? How is this even possible? Would be really cool if SuNo had dem coding skillz though hehe. ^.^ | ||
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CrtBalorda
Slovenia704 Posts
They need to stop caring about looks so much though. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On December 29 2012 10:16 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: You're right. Korean culture is probably one of the most rigid and socially brutal in the world, and from what people tell me, it's only getting worse. Screw caring an inconceivable amount about appearance, though. Individualism itself is highly frowned upon, and conformity is the name of the game. If you don't conform to and meet up to certain social and other standards, you aren't simply kind of looked down upon, you are almost mercilessly ostracized. Yeah, case in point, the plastic surgery. Supernova went from a below average, pretty damn unique-looking Korean guy to an above average, very generic-looking Korean guy. As you say, uniqueness simply isn't valued much there unless you're unique by, well, outperforming everyone else in the generic category (if that makes sense). This can pretty much be extrapolated to much of East Asia too; more collectivist and less individualistic tendencies. | ||
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mahO
France274 Posts
On December 29 2012 07:25 Tobberoth wrote: The thing is, there's nothing naturally "good" about big eyes and pale skin. It could just as well be that westerners would want to look more yellowish and have smaller eyes, and it's generally acknowledged that the reason those traits are favorable are because of western influence historically. It's easy to say "I made my hair blonde because I want to look like GDragon, I don't give a crap about the west", but that doesn't change where his fashion was influenced. It's obviously always up to the individual, but I find it weird any asians would take offence or deny the western influence when the most koreans who subject themselves to it don't deny it. Again, they don't want to look caucasian, but they look at western famous people and find their traits attractive. It's like when my asian friends from Japan and Korea come here and say the people here are so beautiful... well, they aren't, they are just westerners and happen to very commonly have those traits. I go around here and don't find the women all that attractive and instead react the same way in asia. It's exotic and different, I wouldn't marry a Korean if I found westerners more attractive, so this is not MY opinion at all, I'm just saying that if cosmetic surgeons in Korea in a documentary specifically state that most koreans they do work on ask for a "western style" or "western traits", there's probably a lot of truth in it. EDIT: As for the comment on pale skin being beautiful because of it indicates wealth, there's a lot of truth in that as well, though I don't think it's fair to say it's like that in Korea because they were poor 50 years ago, because it's the exact same in Japan, women from Hokkaidou are considered very beautiful because of their pale skin, while the view of Okinawans is the opposite. Bahahah what? "and it's generally acknowledged that the reason those traits are favorable are because of western influence historically. It's easy to say "I made my hair blonde because I want to look like GDragon, I don't give a crap about the west", but that doesn't change where his fashion was influenced." WTF are you smoking? Blonde hair isnt popular in lets say mangas because of Marylin Monroe, they just like blond hair get it? Generally acknowledged? No, they just like big eyes, africans got big eyes, koreans want to look like someone from Nigeria / Sweden / Canada? No, they just like big eyes, stop fooling yourself please. The asian standards in beauty arent describing the fact that they want to look like caucasians rofl, lots of people there like pale skin for some reason, and big eyes, thats it, how ridiculous is it to claim they want to look like caucasians, they dont. | ||
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NoGasfOu
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On December 29 2012 10:07 Prog455 wrote: Why would you try to deny that a lot of Korean culture is trying to mimic the west? Let me give you a few examples: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGbwL8kSpEk - The setting for this MV is so American inspired. Cheerleaders and American Football. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw9CALKOvAI - Hummer, Basketball shirts and Snapback caps. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN6KVm5cRWw - It would not have surprised me to see John Travolta make a cameo appearance in this video. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gQs7damTIE - Harley Davidson and leather jackets. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeqdYqsrsA0 - The setting in this MV is obviously heavily inspired by western architecture I am not trying to judge anyone here, but it is very obvious that a lot of Korean K-pop idols is very influenced by Western culture, and American culture in particular. Well, white people do tanning to look like Asian. White people shave their hair chest, legs, and beard in order to look clean like Asian. White people do eat sushi. White people eat Chinese food with chopstick. White people drive Honda and Toyota. What's the difference Some people just don't know reality. Let me tell you about an Asian TV show from Japan. I once saw a show in which the hosts dressed up in all kinds of costumes on a TV talk show. One dressed up as a ninja, one as a superman, one as a teacher, a prostitute, a fireman, an African skin painted black. One of them also dressed up as a western man with skin painted white wearing a yellow wig, a giant plastic nose, yellow eyebrows, and yellow hair chest. This is how Asians view westerners in Asia. They view westerners as some giant, rare hairy alien that you don't see everyday on the street in Asia and that you wanna take a picture with. Not trying to be a butt hole here, but this sure disappoints a lot of people here. | ||
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MasterCynical
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On December 29 2012 10:47 NoGasfOu wrote: Well, white people do tanning to look like Asian. White people shave their hair chest, legs, and beard in order to look clean like Asian. White people do eat sushi. White people eat Chinese food with chopstick. White people drive Honda and Toyota. What's the difference Some people just don't know reality. Let me tell you about an Asian TV show from Japan. I once saw a show in which the hosts dressed up in all kinds of costumes on a TV talk show. One dressed up as a ninja, one as a superman, one as a teacher, a prostitute, a fireman, an African skin painted black. One of them also dressed up as a western man with skin painted white wearing a yellow wig, a giant plastic nose, yellow eyebrows, and yellow hair chest. This is how Asians view westerners in Asia. They view westerners as some giant, rare hairy alien that you don't see everyday on the street in Asia and that you wanna take a picture with. Not trying to be a butt hole here, but this sure disappoints a lot of people here. I honestly don't think that you can compare those things with what you just saw in those videos. In those videoes there were no doubt that the K-pop idols were actively trying to mimic western culture. People don't tan to look more healthy, not to look like asians. White people who tan does not even get the same skin color as asians. And to say that white people shave in order to look like asians is flat out ridiculous, because asians wouldn't even look so clean if they didn't shave themselves. Honestly those two examples are really horrible. It is however true that white people eat Japanese and Chinese food, even with chopsticks sometimes, but that is not equal to trying to mimic their culture. People in asia eat burgers and pizza aswell. And yes, we drive Japanese cars and use Japanese and South Korean electronic devices aswell. But they use Western brands aswell.. I just read Dance Dance Dance by Haruki Murakami in which one of the characters were a famous Japanese actor. And you know which luxury brands he used? BMW (German), Rolex (Swiss), Patek Philippe (Swiss), Maserati (Italian) and Ferrari (Italian). | ||
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On December 29 2012 11:10 Prog455 wrote: I honestly don't think that you can compare those things with what you just saw in those videos. In those videoes there were no doubt that the K-pop idols were actively trying to mimic western culture. People don't tan to look more healthy, not to look like asians. White people who tan does not even get the same skin color as asians. And to say that white people shave in order to look like asians is flat out ridiculous, because asians wouldn't even look so clean if they didn't shave themselves. Honestly those two examples are really horrible. It is however true that white people eat Japanese and Chinese food, even with chopsticks sometimes, but that is not equal to trying to mimic their culture. People in asia eat burgers and pizza aswell. And yes, we drive Japanese cars and use Japanese and South Korean electronic devices aswell. But they use Western brands aswell.. I just read Dance Dance Dance by Haruki Murakami in which one of the characters were a famous Japanese actor. And you know which luxury brands he used? BMW (German), Rolex (Swiss), Patek Philippe (Swiss), Maserati (Italian) and Ferrari (Italian). Am I the only one recalling a certain talk show debating a certain bunker change? | ||
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Pulselol
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zefreak
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On December 29 2012 11:10 Prog455 wrote: I honestly don't think that you can compare those things with what you just saw in those videos. In those videoes there were no doubt that the K-pop idols were actively trying to mimic western culture. People don't tan to look more healthy, not to look like asians. White people who tan does not even get the same skin color as asians. And to say that white people shave in order to look like asians is flat out ridiculous, because asians wouldn't even look so clean if they didn't shave themselves. Honestly those two examples are really horrible. It is however true that white people eat Japanese and Chinese food, even with chopsticks sometimes, but that is not equal to trying to mimic their culture. People in asia eat burgers and pizza aswell. And yes, we drive Japanese cars and use Japanese and South Korean electronic devices aswell. But they use Western brands aswell.. I just read Dance Dance Dance by Haruki Murakami in which one of the characters were a famous Japanese actor. And you know which luxury brands he used? BMW (German), Rolex (Swiss), Patek Philippe (Swiss), Maserati (Italian) and Ferrari (Italian). South Korea is heavily influenced by US culture, jeez I wonder why.. It's not necessarily a race thing, its the fact they they were a US puppet state for years before they finally were able to establish their own leadership | ||
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TheDraken
United States640 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:20 Praetorial wrote: Apart from eyes and better defined cheeks, I can't notice a single difference. to be honest he just looks more "white". more anglicized nose. wider eyes. more pronounced cheek bones. completely different really. it appears that the half white half asian appearance is something a lot of people desire. at least among asians. | ||
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On December 29 2012 10:47 NoGasfOu wrote: Well, white people do tanning to look like Asian. White people shave their hair chest, legs, and beard in order to look clean like Asian. White people do eat sushi. White people eat Chinese food with chopstick. White people drive Honda and Toyota. What's the difference Some people just don't know reality. Let me tell you about an Asian TV show from Japan. I once saw a show in which the hosts dressed up in all kinds of costumes on a TV talk show. One dressed up as a ninja, one as a superman, one as a teacher, a prostitute, a fireman, an African skin painted black. One of them also dressed up as a western man with skin painted white wearing a yellow wig, a giant plastic nose, yellow eyebrows, and yellow hair chest. This is how Asians view westerners in Asia. They view westerners as some giant, rare hairy alien that you don't see everyday on the street in Asia and that you wanna take a picture with. Not trying to be a butt hole here, but this sure disappoints a lot of people here. Well, white people do tanning to look like Asian. Can you back that up? Asians aren't the only people with olive skin. Hispanics, Southern Europeans, and Northern Africans are some non-Asians with olive skin. White people shave their hair chest, legs, and beard in order to look clean like Asian. Again, your logic fails. Just because Asians possess a general trait does not mean people who alter themselves to get that trait are emulating Asians. Many races are less hairy than your standard Caucasian. Africans are generally hairless. Native Americans are generally hairless. Hairless bodies also mimic the bodies of younger people, regardless of race. Youth is attractive. I don't see why people who shave their body are necessarily trying to look Asian. White people do eat sushi. The only valid point you raise that's relevant. White people eat Chinese food with chopstick. When in Rome do as the Romans do. When I eat at Asian restaurants I use chopsticks. When I go to a professional play I wear a suit. When I go to a college play I wear jeans and a t-shirt. White people drive Honda and Toyota. There are many factors that go into a decision to buy a car. Price, dependability, safety, fuel economy, size, aesthetics, power, etc. Aesthetics are the only subjective thing that can be argued for being culture and even those are restricted by aerodynamics. Even if I may think a Ford looks better than a Toyota I'd much rather buy a Toyota because they last longer than a Fix Or Repair Daily and they get better fuel economy. Obviously there are different models under each brand so lumping all Fords and all Toyotas together isn't perfect but it's a lot quicker than going model by model. | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:18 Fionn wrote: In the off season of SC2, we have not lots to talk about that isn't players leaving teams or moving to a new one. In typical Korean news, Supernova has seemingly gone out and got plastic surgery to change his looks. He looks like an entirely new person now. Old Supernova: New Supernova: This isn't the first time a player has gotten cosmetic surgery. Both Stats and Mind got surgery altering their looks, but Stats had to because he couldn't close his mouth properly because of his extremely large manly chin. I heard stats swallowed his surgically removed manly chin and so he's still by all its manliness. | ||
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fuzzylogic44
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Antisocialmunky
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
Pretty noticeable change for sure. | ||
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Khalum
Austria831 Posts
On December 29 2012 14:51 fuzzylogic44 wrote: The first of the after pics looks identical to Jaedong No. | ||
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United States91 Posts
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Ichabod
United States1659 Posts
On December 29 2012 14:46 pookums wrote: Can you back that up? Asians aren't the only people with olive skin. Hispanics, Southern Europeans, and Northern Africans are some non-Asians with olive skin. Italian-olive skin but still white, you could say. | ||
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Brutaxilos
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On December 29 2012 14:46 pookums wrote: Can you back that up? Asians aren't the only people with olive skin. Hispanics, Southern Europeans, and Northern Africans are some non-Asians with olive skin. Again, your logic fails. Just because Asians possess a general trait does not mean people who alter themselves to get that trait are emulating Asians. Many races are less hairy than your standard Caucasian. Africans are generally hairless. Native Americans are generally hairless. Hairless bodies also mimic the bodies of younger people, regardless of race. Youth is attractive. I don't see why people who shave their body are necessarily trying to look Asian. The only valid point you raise that's relevant. When in Rome do as the Romans do. When I eat at Asian restaurants I use chopsticks. When I go to a professional play I wear a suit. When I go to a college play I wear jeans and a t-shirt. There are many factors that go into a decision to buy a car. Price, dependability, safety, fuel economy, size, aesthetics, power, etc. Aesthetics are the only subjective thing that can be argued for being culture and even those are restricted by aerodynamics. Even if I may think a Ford looks better than a Toyota I'd much rather buy a Toyota because they last longer than a Fix Or Repair Daily and they get better fuel economy. Obviously there are different models under each brand so lumping all Fords and all Toyotas together isn't perfect but it's a lot quicker than going model by model. You do realize he's being sarcastic to make a point right? The point is that, just because Asians do things that whites do, it doesn't mean that they are trying to be white. It just because we've historically favored these traits. If whites don't tan to look Asian, than Asians don't lighten their skin to look white. And as for this specific beauty characteristic, there is a historical reason why Asians favor white skin. To be rich, one needn't not work in the fields and the sun, so society naturally showed that looking paler was more beautiful. In western culture, being rich meant you could travel to more sunny areas (this started in Britain) and get a tan, so darker skin was more favored as being beautiful. You guys arguing that Asians are trying to look white is like Asians arguin that white people are trying to look black by getting tans. | ||
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dAPhREAk
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Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
Definitely ruined. T_T He does not look anywhere near as happy or naturally expressive in the new pictures and in both of them, his left eye (right side of the picture, obviously) look for naturally open than the left, which looks halfways between how they were and how the left is now. Also he looks nothing like NaDa or Jaedong before or after, the faces are completely different! How the hell do people get these ideas from pictures? + Show Spoiler + Just opinion: Gah, people and their obsessions with improving their looks based on poor impressions! | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 29 2012 14:46 pookums wrote: Can you back that up? Asians aren't the only people with olive skin. Hispanics, Southern Europeans, and Northern Africans are some non-Asians with olive skin. Again, your logic fails. Just because Asians possess a general trait does not mean people who alter themselves to get that trait are emulating Asians. Many races are less hairy than your standard Caucasian. Africans are generally hairless. Native Americans are generally hairless. Hairless bodies also mimic the bodies of younger people, regardless of race. Youth is attractive. I don't see why people who shave their body are necessarily trying to look Asian. The only valid point you raise that's relevant. When in Rome do as the Romans do. When I eat at Asian restaurants I use chopsticks. When I go to a professional play I wear a suit. When I go to a college play I wear jeans and a t-shirt. There are many factors that go into a decision to buy a car. Price, dependability, safety, fuel economy, size, aesthetics, power, etc. Aesthetics are the only subjective thing that can be argued for being culture and even those are restricted by aerodynamics. Even if I may think a Ford looks better than a Toyota I'd much rather buy a Toyota because they last longer than a Fix Or Repair Daily and they get better fuel economy. Obviously there are different models under each brand so lumping all Fords and all Toyotas together isn't perfect but it's a lot quicker than going model by model. You guys realize he is being sarcastic, right? edit: ok, I hope he was being sarcastic. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 29 2012 17:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: Ah, so here are the pictures. Definitely ruined. T_T He does not look anywhere near as happy or naturally expressive in the new pictures and in both of them, his left eye (right side of the picture, obviously) look for naturally open than the left, which looks halfways between how they were and how the left is now. Also he looks nothing like NaDa or Jaedong before or after, the faces are completely different! How the hell do people get these ideas from pictures? + Show Spoiler + Just opinion: Gah, people and their obsessions with improving their looks based on poor impressions! I'm sure getting plastic surgery doesn't diminish either his happiness nor his ability to express it. I can guarantee that you are reading more into the images than is there. Also, because of the quantity and cheapness of plastic surgery in SK, people who aren't obsessed with their looks can also get surgery done. You can get both eyes done for around $1000 USD by some of the most skilled plastic surgeons in the world (compare to the US, for example, where the same surgery can be up to $5000 USD). Getting plastic surgery doesn't mean you are obsessed with your looks, nor does it necessarily mean you have crippling body image issues. Because of the relative low cost and social acceptance of plastic surgery, you would expect a greater incidence of the operations even with the same sample population. The cost, both monetarily and psychologically, is smaller. Big surprise that more people do it. As for the 'sameness' of beauty standards in South Korea, what do you expect from an extremely homogeneous society? It's called sexual selection, homogeneous groups tend to evolve exaggerated and specific sexually attractive traits. There are many subcultures in the Western world where this is also the case, the difference being that many of these places have such a greater mix of cultures that there is a much greater variety in what people consider beautiful. | ||
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Winterfell
United States170 Posts
Korean male gets cosmetic surgery: 25 pages of "How could he do that?" That's so [fill in the blank]. /sigh. I don't know his conditions or his motivations, and therefor have no comment about his choices. | ||
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Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
On December 29 2012 17:08 zefreak wrote: I'm sure getting plastic surgery doesn't diminish either his happiness nor his ability to express it. I can guarantee that you are reading more into the images than is there. [...more but not important to quote] Nope, I was not at all assuming anything. I was not saying he actually IS less happy and I didn't say that. I'm saying his face looks less naturally expressive, so even if he is happier (I'd bloody hope so if he's going to pay for plastic surgery), I don't see it at all in the pictures and I think that his face used to look nicer, better at showing that happiness; it was more expressive. That said, I also recognise that they're just two photographs (although I'm also going by my memory of his face from other games) so there might be more to come that better show how expressive his face can still look. Don't confuse "ability to express it as a human being" with "ability for his face to show it", the latter being that of which I'm wary. I still stand by the eyes looking uneven there. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 29 2012 17:24 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: Nope, I was not at all assuming anything. I was not saying he actually IS less happy and I didn't say that. I'm saying his face looks less naturally expressive, so even if he is happier (I'd bloody hope so if he's going to pay for plastic surgery), I don't see it at all in the pictures and I think that his face used to look nicer, better at showing that happiness; it was more expressive. That said, I also recognise that they're just two photographs (although I'm also going by my memory of his face from other games) so there might be more to come that better show how expressive his face can still look. Don't confuse "ability to express it as a human being" with "ability for his face to show it", the latter being that of which I'm wary. I still stand by the eyes looking uneven there. I expanded on my post a bit (not sure if you saw it). I guess it remains to be seen whether your worries have any justification but making conclusions based on two poor quality pictures is probably not best evidence to base conclusions on. | ||
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Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
On December 29 2012 17:30 zefreak wrote: I expanded on my post a bit (not sure if you saw it). I guess it remains to be seen whether your worries have any justification but making conclusions based on two poor quality pictures is probably not best evidence to base conclusions on. I wonder whether you even read what I wrote. I included in your quote "[...more but not important to quote]" to indicate I'd seen it but it wasn't important for me to quote it. I'm not assuming, as I said, I am just saying, very clearly, that based on (yes JUST) those two pictures, one eye doesn't look like it has been 'fixed' consistently with the other and I don't think his face looks like his expressions will show as clearly (and likeably*). It's like you're arguing with me about my right to form an opinion based on two pictures when I'm openly stating that I'm not assuming anything and only discussing based on those two! :/ *+ Show Spoiler + which apparently isn't a word according to many dictionaries, but that seems odd; shouldn't it be correct just as an adverb form? As in admirably, nicely etc. Hrmm. It never actually came into existence as a word in English (in adverb form)? | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 29 2012 17:54 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: I wonder whether you even read what I wrote. I included in your quote "[...more but not important to quote]" to indicate I'd seen it but it wasn't important for me to quote it. I'm not assuming, as I said, I am just saying, very clearly, that based on (yes JUST) those two pictures, one eye doesn't look like it has been 'fixed' consistently with the other and I don't think his face looks like his expressions will show as clearly (and likeably*). It's like you're arguing with me about my right to form an opinion based on two pictures when I'm openly stating that I'm not assuming anything and only discussing based on those two! :/ *+ Show Spoiler + which apparently isn't a word according to many dictionaries, but that seems odd; shouldn't it be correct just as an adverb form? As in admirably, nicely etc. Hrmm. It never actually came into existence as a word in English (in adverb form)? To be fair, I read what you wrote but didn't bother reading what I had already written (which is what you quoted and modified). | ||
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Hetz
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Visiting a gym would be time better spend. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On December 29 2012 10:33 mahO wrote: Bahahah what? "and it's generally acknowledged that the reason those traits are favorable are because of western influence historically. It's easy to say "I made my hair blonde because I want to look like GDragon, I don't give a crap about the west", but that doesn't change where his fashion was influenced." WTF are you smoking? Blonde hair isnt popular in lets say mangas because of Marylin Monroe, they just like blond hair get it? Generally acknowledged? No, they just like big eyes, africans got big eyes, koreans want to look like someone from Nigeria / Sweden / Canada? No, they just like big eyes, stop fooling yourself please. The asian standards in beauty arent describing the fact that they want to look like caucasians rofl, lots of people there like pale skin for some reason, and big eyes, thats it, how ridiculous is it to claim they want to look like caucasians, they dont. How weird... they state they want to look like westerners, have a surgery... and "they don't". Very weird indeed. | ||
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lannisport
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On December 29 2012 19:49 Hetz wrote: LOL, what's all the fuss with their faces while the rest of their body still looks like they have some sort of growth disorder. Visiting a gym would be time better spend. User was temp banned for this post. Do you even face lift? | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On December 29 2012 19:49 Hetz wrote: LOL, what's all the fuss with their faces while the rest of their body still looks like they have some sort of growth disorder. Visiting a gym would be time better spend. User was temp banned for this post. Because going to the gym somehow makes you longer? As for their fitness.... I think it would be pretty preposterous to make the case that westerners are better fit than the average asian. Them being short doesn't mean they don't have a good proportion of muscle. Asian males with a six pack are probably more common than westerners, especially if you include countries with obesity problems like the US. | ||
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derpface
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spacemonkeyy
Australia477 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:57 JackReacher wrote: Like Michael Jackson and IdrA before him, he just couldn't withstand the desire to change races. Epic. | ||
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Alkro
Sweden88 Posts
On December 29 2012 20:53 Tobberoth wrote: Because going to the gym somehow makes you longer? As for their fitness.... I think it would be pretty preposterous to make the case that westerners are better fit than the average asian. Them being short doesn't mean they don't have a good proportion of muscle. Asian males with a six pack are probably more common than westerners, especially if you include countries with obesity problems like the US. A six pack on a skinny guy is like big tits on a fat girl. Having abs that show is just a question of having low body fat and is no way an indicator of musle mass. | ||
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ragz_gt
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TheDraken
United States640 Posts
On December 29 2012 15:25 Leefang wrote: Time to start the "SuperNova's Body" thread imo exactly what i was thinking. someone back on like page 20 said something along the lines of "wow a thread about some dude making himself hot already has more posts than most things related to starcraft". maybe teamliquid should rebrand itself. | ||
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Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
Ahahaa, that was great, I appreciate that play on words! On December 29 2012 20:55 Vaelone wrote: If I had to guess who was in the bottom pic without knowing better I'd have to say NaDa. I swear all these people saying that don't know better. X_X | ||
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graan
Germany589 Posts
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On December 29 2012 17:20 Winterfell wrote: White woman gets cosmetic surgery: not a blip anywhere. Korean male gets cosmetic surgery: 25 pages of "How could he do that?" That's so [fill in the blank]. /sigh. I don't know his conditions or his motivations, and therefor have no comment about his choices. If Scarlett (the only white woman pro player) would have a plastic surgery, reactions would maybe be even worse than towards supernova. | ||
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NoGasfOu
United States1117 Posts
On December 30 2012 02:12 Sandermatt wrote: If Scarlett (the only white woman pro player) would have a plastic surgery, reactions would maybe be even worse than towards supernova. I think you're trying to say something here. I don't wanna say it because I don't want to get into trouble. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On December 29 2012 21:10 Alkro wrote: A six pack on a skinny guy is like big tits on a fat girl. Having abs that show is just a question of having low body fat and is no way an indicator of musle mass. In what way does this make "visiting a gym" any less of a ridiculous comment? If your abs show and you have low body fat, that's clearly far better than being long and fat. And trust me, skinny people most often do not actually have abs that show, you still actually need muscles to show, even if you're skinny. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On December 30 2012 05:22 Tobberoth wrote: In what way does this make "visiting a gym" any less of a ridiculous comment? If your abs show and you have low body fat, that's clearly far better than being long and fat. And trust me, skinny people most often do not actually have abs that show, you still actually need muscles to show, even if you're skinny. Dat feel when skinny fat. | ||
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Krakoskk
United Kingdom51 Posts
A six pack on a skinny guy is like big tits on a fat girl. Having abs that show is just a question of having low body fat and is no way an indicator of musle mass. Correction: A six pack on a skinny guy is like breasts on a female: You don't have a six pack unless your body fat is low. You need to both have muscle and be skinny to have a six pack. Weak skinny people don't have them and neither do strong fat people. | ||
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Krakoskk
United Kingdom51 Posts
On December 29 2012 22:14 TheDraken wrote: exactly what i was thinking. someone back on like page 20 said something along the lines of "wow a thread about some dude making himself hot already has more posts than most things related to starcraft". maybe teamliquid should rebrand itself. Why rebrand? Teamliquid already sounds like the perfect name for an ambiguously homoerotic fansite. EDIT: Shit, double post, sorry | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10655 Posts
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zimz
United States510 Posts
kinda sends the wrong message to Korean kids when they are #1 plastic surgery country, like their genetics aren't good enough. | ||
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Jago
Finland390 Posts
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MarkCJ
Canada239 Posts
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Harrad
1003 Posts
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j4vz
Canada976 Posts
On December 30 2012 11:25 Harrad wrote: Nice, but if you look closely, you'll notice that his right eye is smaller than this left eye. the left eye is bigger to look at the minimap more efficiently :D | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44317 Posts
On December 30 2012 02:12 Sandermatt wrote: If Scarlett (the only white woman pro player) would have a plastic surgery, reactions would maybe be even worse than towards supernova. I think the important thing to keep in mind is that Supernova is part of our StarCraft community since he's a pro-gamer, whereas some arbitrary girl that is unrelated to e-sports getting plastic surgery doesn't really concern us. Scarlett is part of our community as well, so she would be relevant too (and an equally big deal). It's more of the fact that it's Supernova, rather than the fact that it's surgery, although the content is obviously important as well. I don't care what the identity of the person is; if he or she is related to our community, I personally am interested in hearing about important news relating to him or her. Something happened to Supernova, Scarlett, or some other important StarCraft player? Let me know! (For the record, I prefer him looking the old way, but if he's happier now, then I'm happy for him ) | ||
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imperator-xy
Germany1366 Posts
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pt
United States813 Posts
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 30 2012 11:55 pt wrote: he was handsome before. now he looks like a generic stud. I think he was below average, even for a progamer. Then again I think Parting, Squirtle and MMA are some of the sexiest dudes I've seen so the progamer qualifier isn't really necessary. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44317 Posts
On December 30 2012 13:27 zefreak wrote: I think he was below average, even for a progamer. Then again I think Parting, Squirtle and MMA are some of the sexiest dudes I've seen so the progamer qualifier isn't really necessary. Really? Parting? | ||
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Bonkarooni
United States383 Posts
On December 28 2012 13:19 Zenbrez wrote: Quite the difference O.o If he's happy, cool I guess. Don't know how I feel about doing this kinda thing though Cultural differences. Its a lot more accepted in korea. | ||
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X3GoldDot
Malaysia3840 Posts
imho parting > squirtle, but MMA is definitely sexiest amongst the three, imho MMA is infact handsomest amongst ESF korean pros | ||
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mokumoku
157 Posts
A good choice. | ||
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0gooby0
23 Posts
do I sense marineking in here | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On December 30 2012 14:22 X3GoldDot wrote: imho parting > squirtle, but MMA is definitely sexiest amongst the three, imho MMA is infact handsomest amongst ESF korean pros :O But Squirtle is so cute | ||
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0gooby0
23 Posts
squirtle never smiles | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Sephy90
United States1785 Posts
On December 30 2012 14:08 Bonkarooni wrote: Cultural differences. Its a lot more accepted in korea. It's a lot more accepted in terms of some people calling his type of surgery "treatment" and not plastic surgery. It's what I've heard from a friend. Correct me if I'm wrong though~ | ||
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MarkCJ
Canada239 Posts
On January 05 2013 14:46 0gooby0 wrote: do I sense marineking in here Plastic surgery gave him +1 marine micro | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
Maybe it's just me but Parting is super cute, he had the rough, tousled hair thing going on for a while which was cool and now he just looks good | ||
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Hot_Ice
139 Posts
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Kaeru
Sweden552 Posts
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Warlock40
601 Posts
And omg, that last picture of him with the scarf..... I find myself oddly intrigued. | ||
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FreeZer
Sweden288 Posts
On December 29 2012 09:26 NoGasfOu wrote: Why not. You people don't go the the dentist to get your teeth fixed? What's the difference? They all use tools to fix imperfect parts of your body. The difference is that straightening teeth is health care primarily - the visual improvement is just a bonus. | ||
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Farmer Poopy
258 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
P.S. For about a minute I thought I'm looking at just hairstyle change, lol. If the text didn't mention it involved plastic surgery, I might have missed it. So I guess it isn't a very invasive change. | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On February 18 2013 07:36 Farmer Poopy wrote: Can't believe I'm talking about this, but imo Squirtle is the best looking (sc2 korean) progamer, Parting doesn't really come to mind when I think of that. I'd say Puzzle was the best looking, but might not count with him switching games and all. For people who are active now, I'd say HyuN is the most handsome! | ||
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mau5mat
Northern Ireland461 Posts
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WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
On February 18 2013 07:31 FreeZer wrote: The difference is that straightening teeth is health care primarily - the visual improvement is just a bonus. Not really. I suspect that most people getting braces are not really in a condition where not doing it would carry a health risk. | ||
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
On February 18 2013 07:36 Farmer Poopy wrote: Can't believe I'm talking about this, but imo Squirtle is the best looking (sc2 korean) progamer, Parting doesn't really come to mind when I think of that. Well I have this person I want to introduce you to, his name is Bisu... | ||
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Thrillz
4313 Posts
On February 18 2013 08:02 WigglingSquid wrote: Not really. I suspect that most people getting braces are not really in a condition where not doing it would carry a health risk. Doubtful, very doubtful. Braces are a big, long, and expensive commitment. The straight teeth are an added visual bonus, but only a few would get it just to get perfectly straighten teeth. I had them because of possible bite/jaw issues if I didn't. Most of the time people get them because of some type of alignment issue. Keep in mind that sometimes mechanical issues arise from teeth that aren't straighten as well. | ||
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BirdKiller
United States428 Posts
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On February 18 2013 08:09 Thrillz wrote: Doubtful, very doubtful. Braces are a big, long, and expensive commitment. The straight teeth are an added visual bonus, but only a few would get it just to get perfectly straighten teeth. I had them because of possible bite/jaw issues if I didn't. Most of the time people get them because of some type of alignment issue. Keep in mind that sometimes mechanical issues arise from teeth that aren't straighten as well. I guarantee most people get it for aesthetic reasons. Many people are very self-conscious about their teeth | ||
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
On February 18 2013 08:12 BirdKiller wrote: How the hell does a player's hairstyle get over 500 posts o.O Oh, we're also talking about hairstyles of Koreans/Japanese as well, carry on... Uhh...what? This isn't about his hairstyle. It's about the surgery he had to widen his eyes. | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8095 Posts
On February 18 2013 08:12 BirdKiller wrote: How the hell does a player's hairstyle get over 500 posts o.O Oh, we're also talking about hairstyles of Koreans/Japanese as well, carry on... Are you blind or something? | ||
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BirdKiller
United States428 Posts
Apparently so, edited out -_- | ||
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On February 18 2013 08:07 Lunareste wrote: Well I have this person I want to introduce you to, his name is Bisu... Boxer > Bisu imo But btw, just looking at the pic of the winners interview from GSTL, Supernova doesn't look all that different. Edit: Oh and I still think sC was incredibly handsome. Such a shame he quit Sc2, was always one of my favourite players. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On February 18 2013 08:28 ES.Genie wrote: Boxer > Bisu imo But btw, just looking at the pic of the winners interview from GSTL, Supernova doesn't look all that different. Yeah, he doesn't look all that different in the GSL winner's interview. But I think it's a "staring at yourself in the mirror" effect. You tend to widen your eyes doing that. Also, I think Rain looks better than Bisu personally. Boxer was pretty sharp when he was younger too! | ||
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
On February 18 2013 08:09 Thrillz wrote: Doubtful, very doubtful. Braces are a big, long, and expensive commitment. The straight teeth are an added visual bonus, but only a few would get it just to get perfectly straighten teeth. I had them because of possible bite/jaw issues if I didn't. Most of the time people get them because of some type of alignment issue. Keep in mind that sometimes mechanical issues arise from teeth that aren't straighten as well. Of the people who have had braces that I know, the majority got it for vanity reasons. I'm curious if it has to do with culture though, because where I'm from in the USA people are obsessed with their teeth. | ||
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llIH
Norway2143 Posts
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Koesader
Netherlands424 Posts
Oh, and nobody tops MKP in cuteness ;3 And BoxeR's getting more handsome every year | ||
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
lol but yeah Puzzle looks the best | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On February 18 2013 07:52 DJHelium wrote: I'd say Puzzle was the best looking, but might not count with him switching games and all. For people who are active now, I'd say HyuN is the most handsome! I'd definitely say Polt. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
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Rccodes
11 Posts
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
also Polt>all | ||
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TronJovolta
United States323 Posts
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
On May 17 2013 12:27 TronJovolta wrote: Gonna chime in and say Keen is the most handsome Korean pro. uh, wrong. Who is "Bisu" for 2000, Alex. | ||
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
You've clearly never seen Nada's body. | ||
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
Superstar, aka MAX from bw-days is where it's at. nobody outclasses the one true vampire progamer ensnare was pretty cool too :D | ||
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Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
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Mortal
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