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ESFI News'GanZi "deeply hurt" after coL contract'

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GanZiTv
Profile Joined February 2012
Korea (South)2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 09:17:51
December 16 2012 09:08 GMT
#1
Source: ESFI

Excerpt

Kim “GanZi” Dong Joo says his “heart and pride as a gamer were deeply hurt” during contract negotiations with his former team compLexity Gaming.

GanZi, who had spent nine months with coL, told ESFI that things that were said during his recent contract negotiation with coL owner Jason Lake in a private conversation at IPL5 left him no choice but to choose to leave the team.

“I received an unreasonable demand and deeply hurtful comment as a human being from compLexity,” GanZi said. “[Jason Lake and I] started talking, and during the conversation, he demanded me to sign a new contract, which would have decreased my salary by half. When asked why, he mentioned that my performance hasn’t been good due to injury, and the team decided that they wanted to sign a more famous and skilled player. My contract still had five months left on it, and the contract did not have any clauses to modify the content of the contract, which made me unable to accept his demand.”...

...Following GanZi’s interview, his statement was relayed to Jason Lake in order to verify GanZi’s claims.
“That version of events is simply not true,” Lake told ESFI after reading GanZi’s comments. “I am saddened he has chosen to portray our hour long conversation in this manner. There were no 'demands' made. We simply offered GanZi a lesser salary for 2013 (his contract expires in March) due to his long-standing injury but offered to include provisions that would return him to his previous amount should he return to full-time play. We have stood loyally by him through his challenging health issues that even saw him drop out of live events like MLG Arena and MLG Raleigh. I personally campaigned for him to receive an invitation to HomeStory Cup. We do our best to treat our players fairly and I am very disappointed by his version of these events. Beyond that, I feel it's not appropriate to elaborate more on confidential contract negotiations. We thank GanZi for his time in our organization and wish him the very best in the future.”
honkeybeef
Profile Joined July 2011
United States143 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 09:11:08
December 16 2012 09:10 GMT
#2
-edit: deleted
bGr.MetHiX
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria511 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 09:11:57
December 16 2012 09:11 GMT
#3
its time for a witch hunt ?



ps : sadly , korean culture and american culture are quite different and that leads to many inconveniences.
Top50 GM EU Protoss from Bulgaria. Streaming with commentary : www.twitch.tv/hwbgmethix
lubu42
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States314 Posts
December 16 2012 09:11 GMT
#4
Very depressing to read I really like GanZi as a player and even though he hasn't been performing very well lately (which is what teams want) I still wish he hadn't been let go. Hope for the best in his future!
SlayerS_BoxeR <3
Mask DeMasque
Profile Joined February 2012
United States415 Posts
December 16 2012 09:11 GMT
#5
This really made me sad... I wish you the best of luck Ganzi.
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 09:16:46
December 16 2012 09:14 GMT
#6
Jason Lake already said that the contract was a reduction in salary when Ganzi was unable to play full time due to injuries/illnesses. Once he returned to full time status, he would regain his full salary again. I found this to be quite fair.

“That version of events is simply not true,” Lake told ESFI after reading GanZi’s comments. “I am saddened he has chosen to portray our hour long conversation in this manner. There were no 'demands' made. We simply offered GanZi a lesser salary for 2013 (his contract expires in March) due to his long-standing injury but offered to include provisions that would return him to his previous amount should he return to full-time play. We have stood loyally by him through his challenging health issues that even saw him drop out of live events like MLG Arena and MLG Raleigh. I personally campaigned for him to receive an invitation to HomeStory Cup. We do our best to treat our players fairly and I am very disappointed by his version of these events. Beyond that, I feel it's not appropriate to elaborate more on confidential contract negotiations. We thank GanZi for his time in our organization and wish him the very best in the future.”
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
LiLSighKoh
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States588 Posts
December 16 2012 09:14 GMT
#7
Hope you find a new team soon Ganzi!
"Want some? Go get some!"
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
December 16 2012 09:16 GMT
#8
sorry to hear that ganzi...Hope after military service you will be back to the really good player you are!
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
December 16 2012 09:16 GMT
#9
Important to read both sides of the story. This was likely a miscommunication but more over, no one sound really be surprised at ganzi's paycut. This just sounds like a business decision was made but with a lot of miscommunication.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 09:18:06
December 16 2012 09:16 GMT
#10
NVM
MLG: How is your Protoss? Idra: I make Blink Stalkers, so really, really good.
LiLSighKoh
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States588 Posts
December 16 2012 09:16 GMT
#11
On December 16 2012 18:14 Dubzex wrote:
Jason Lake already said that the contract was a reduction in salary when Ganzi was unable to play full time due to injuries/illnesses. Once he returned to full time status, he would regain his full salary again. I found this to be quite fair.

Sure anyone can say that, and you'll believe them? That may or may not be true, no offense to Jason Lake, and in vice versa with Ganzi.
"Want some? Go get some!"
Nineball
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway163 Posts
December 16 2012 09:17 GMT
#12
This seems to me to be misunderstandigs. Its sad because im quite fond of Ganzi Hope he fares ok and finds a good team!
AC3
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada337 Posts
December 16 2012 09:17 GMT
#13
Reading the article I feel terrible things ended like this for you GanZi, it is unfortunate that you and coL (or more so Jason Lake) had such a falling out. Wish you luck in recovering from your injury, finding a new team that supports you, and hopefully not leaving the scene altogether after this.
"The idea is to try to give all of the information to help others to judge the value of your contribution; not just the information that leads to judgment in one particular direction or another" -- Richard Feynman
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-16 09:30:09
December 16 2012 09:20 GMT
#14
On December 16 2012 18:16 LiLSighKoh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 18:14 Dubzex wrote:
Jason Lake already said that the contract was a reduction in salary when Ganzi was unable to play full time due to injuries/illnesses. Once he returned to full time status, he would regain his full salary again. I found this to be quite fair.

Sure anyone can say that, and you'll believe them? That may or may not be true, no offense to Jason Lake, and in vice versa with Ganzi.

I don't care enough to argue because either side could be embellishing or providing false information.
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
December 16 2012 09:21 GMT
#15
Seems like something was lost in translation during the negotiation.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9377 Posts
December 16 2012 09:23 GMT
#16
Ganzi isn't good enough (not just talking result-wise. He is just way too slow and look more like a top foreigner than a korean), so I don't see the problem with Jason Lake offering to reducing his salary.
LTY
Profile Joined November 2012
United States223 Posts
December 16 2012 09:25 GMT
#17
Ganzi show us your abilities!
Known as Miso or LTY
Cinim
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark866 Posts
December 16 2012 09:26 GMT
#18
Cant really commentate anything from this, we know nothing of the actual negotiations and we are just hearing each of them talking individually, just their words against each other.
Hell, it's about time
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
December 16 2012 09:28 GMT
#19
I feel that, lacking information from an objective source that would point to the contrary, a player is always right - no player would make something up that would potentially make his career difficult in the future.

Unfortunately, the players must learn that when it comes to conflicts with management, there really is no hope to gain anything in the media. The management will just come out with some neatly presented spin story that everybody else will confirm because it's in their interest to do so.
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1057 Posts
December 16 2012 09:29 GMT
#20
From the outside looking in, it seems like Jason Lake negotiates hard, but fairly, when it comes to contracts. It's very standard practice in the western world. Unfortunately for him, I don't think he understands Korean culture yet and the way they seem to negotiate contracts. Following western business practices with eastern players may burn more bridges for Complexity than they can afford when the best players are almost all Korean. He's going to have to learn how to bridge that gap somehow if he wants Complexity to be a force within SC2.
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