EPTESFI News'GanZi "deeply hurt" after coL contract' - Page 8
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sitromit
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ECA.BruTATroN
United States282 Posts
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
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MetalPanda
Canada1152 Posts
On December 17 2012 11:34 sitromit wrote: Complexity thought they were buying a Code S level Terran who would win them championships. Instead they got a Code B player who often lost to foreigners and won nothing. It's normal that they didn't want to keep paying him the same salary. This would be the same in any sport. You don't know anything about his salary nor Complexity's expectations from Ganzi, right? Ganzi wasn't really Code S level when he got picked up if I recall correctly. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 17 2012 11:34 sitromit wrote: Complexity thought they were buying a Code S level Terran who would win them championships. Instead they got a Code B player who often lost to foreigners and won nothing. It's normal that they didn't want to keep paying him the same salary. This would be the same in any sport. The issue here is whether they wanted to change his CURRENT contract or was it just for his upcoming contract. Most sports teams get stuck with 'bad' contracts as well when a player underperforms. | ||
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skatblast
United States784 Posts
On December 17 2012 12:10 lord_nibbler wrote: Wait, did coL really wanted to change the salary halfway into the contract length or are we talking about the new offer for two month from now? Im wondering the same thing. If its the former than wow. If not then he shouldn't be hurt cause he hasn't been performing. | ||
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Fall.182
United States126 Posts
On December 16 2012 18:28 Talin wrote: I feel that, lacking information from an objective source that would point to the contrary, a player is always right - no player would make something up that would potentially make his career difficult in the future. Unfortunately, the players must learn that when it comes to conflicts with management, there really is no hope to gain anything in the media. The management will just come out with some neatly presented spin story that everybody else will confirm because it's in their interest to do so. this. I'm not a fan of ganzi at all but what this man(or woman) says is true. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On December 17 2012 12:39 skatblast wrote: Im wondering the same thing. If its the former than wow. If not then he shouldn't be hurt cause he hasn't been performing. I'm pretty sure that even if GanZi accepted the new offer, he would still be paid the rate of his existing contract until it expired. However, it's not too uncommon for the team and player to just part ways immediately if they know that the next contract cannot be negotiated - it allows the player to immediately begin looking for a new home and the team frees up some budget after neither side really has an incentive to continue their partnership. | ||
Waxangel
United States33385 Posts
On December 17 2012 12:40 Fall.182 wrote: this. I'm not a fan of ganzi at all but what this man(or woman) says is true. hahahahaha no one's perfect or fully rational at decision making, players make poor long term decisions all the time. esp in traditional sports where athletes get emotional and think getting their side of the story out there and talking to media is more important than shutting up and keeping themselves employable. of course, this doesn't necessarily make them less admirable from a fan perspective - fans might even appreciate players who speak their minds at negative cost to themselves. but saying players would never hurt their value because they are rational is idiotic. | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On December 17 2012 12:31 MetalPanda wrote: You don't know anything about his salary nor Complexity's expectations from Ganzi, right? Ganzi wasn't really Code S level when he got picked up if I recall correctly. Ganzi had just fallen to Code A when he got picked up and got back into Code S right after. Then he fell of completely, and his results kept getting worse and worse. Looking at Complexity's statement, it's easy to see that they were expecting more from him in terms of performance. | ||
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Weirdkid
Singapore2431 Posts
On December 17 2012 12:44 Pokebunny wrote: I'm pretty sure that even if GanZi accepted the new offer, he would still be paid the rate of his existing contract until it expired. However, it's not too uncommon for the team and player to just part ways immediately if they know that the next contract cannot be negotiated - it allows the player to immediately begin looking for a new home and the team frees up some budget after neither side really has an incentive to continue their partnership. Interesting. My impression has always been that the new contract would come into play after being signed, meaning that the pay cut would be pretty much immediate, unless stated otherwise in the contract of course  But I don't know much about contracts, so oh well haha | ||
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
On December 17 2012 12:44 Pokebunny wrote: I'm pretty sure that even if GanZi accepted the new offer, he would still be paid the rate of his existing contract until it expired. However, it's not too uncommon for the team and player to just part ways immediately if they know that the next contract cannot be negotiated - it allows the player to immediately begin looking for a new home and the team frees up some budget after neither side really has an incentive to continue their partnership. pretty sure they wanted to decrease his salary in the middle of his contract, its standard practice amongst pro teams. he probably didnt want to accept the new terms and decided to leave instead. alot of teams do this whenever theyre trying to sign new players and dont have enough budget, its a win/win situation for them. | ||
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SecondHand
United States329 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6259 Posts
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Meteora.GB
Canada2479 Posts
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On December 17 2012 12:51 Weirdkid wrote: Interesting. My impression has always been that the new contract would come into play after being signed, meaning that the pay cut would be pretty much immediate, unless stated otherwise in the contract of course But I don't know much about contracts, so oh well hahaWell I would not be happy if it would be like last day of my contract (if I would be pro that is) and then get even worse contract. This way how coL gave more time for Ganzi to show results and get better offer from coL or other team. Now Ganzi had really only two options: 1. Take pay cut starting from 2013 but stay in team 2. Don't take pay cut but leave after March 2013 (coL certainly would not sign him anymore) | ||
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Weirdkid
Singapore2431 Posts
On December 17 2012 13:15 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Well I would not be happy if it would be like last day of my contract (if I would be pro that is) and then get even worse contract. This way how coL gave more time for Ganzi to show results and get better offer from coL or other team. Now Ganzi had really only two options: 1. Take pay cut starting from 2013 but stay in team 2. Don't take pay cut but leave after March 2013 (coL certainly would not sign him anymore) Yea that's usually the way things worked I thought. You either go for the long term contract at a lower pay with more money in the long term, or you sit out the contract with higher pay but at a risk of not being able to sign a contract at all and be released (less money long term unless you find another place which can pay you). | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On December 17 2012 12:52 ROOTT1 wrote: pretty sure they wanted to decrease his salary in the middle of his contract, its standard practice amongst pro teams. he probably didnt want to accept the new terms and decided to leave instead. alot of teams do this whenever theyre trying to sign new players and dont have enough budget, its a win/win situation for them. Especially when GanZi wasn't playing up to full capacity and claiming injury was effecting it. | ||
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FuGGu
United States176 Posts
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