EPTESFI News'GanZi "deeply hurt" after coL contract' - Page 6
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Genealogy
Sweden65 Posts
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
It is perfectly reasonable for salary to be related to performance in tournaments and Ganzi has not really impressed recently, maybe due to his injury. His most notable performance recently has been him dancing at LSC2 and that is not what he was getting paid for. There are MANY talented SC2 players without teams now. By walking away from Complexity early, Ganzi now has to compete with all these players for a new team, which is difficult enough without his recent lack of results. Good luck to him. | ||
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Finnz
United Kingdom260 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Jason Lake claims they did not. Either a miscommunication or someone is lying. People need to realise that there is a fundamental difference between renewing a contract with some changes (potentially less favourable to one party, which often is reasonable) and trying to change a contract halfway through to make it far less favourable to one party. If Ganzi's version of events is correct then Complexity deserve the call out, if it's a miscommunication then that's simply something unfortunate. On December 17 2012 02:05 revel8 wrote: It is very unprofessional for Ganzi to leak this information to the public. He had negotiations with his team, did not reach agreement and subsequently left his team. He should have left it at that and tried to get a new team. He has seemingly gone out of his way to publicly harm his old team by his statements. Jessica got bashed for airing dirty linen in public after the events of Slayers, now Ganzi has made himself look like a brat by these disclosures. Jessica got bashed because the "dirty linen" she revealed actually made her look worse than anyone else by far. | ||
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SHOOG
United States1639 Posts
Good luck to Ganzi though. | ||
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Shocae
United States141 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On December 17 2012 02:20 Shocae wrote: Lol @ trying to get him to sign a contract to lessen his pay when his original contract had not yet expired. Yes, please Ganzi, volunteer to get paid less so we can save money. This. What a joke. Complexity made themselves look retarded with this one. Good job. | ||
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
-They really tried to modify is contract mid way cutting is salary in half, wich is really really sad and sneaky. -There was a misunderstanding and Jason actually meant that he was cutting is salary after the renewal. Since there is no way to know the absolute truth... I just hope that the next korean that is signed by CoL will read is contract thoroughly and will make sure that this shit will not happen in the future. | ||
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chadissilent
Canada1187 Posts
On December 17 2012 02:21 ReachTheSky wrote: This. What a joke. Complexity made themselves look retarded with this one. Good job. IF that were the case, I agree. Knowing what I know from people inside the situation, they were beginning to negotiate a contract extension. Contract talks can take a while, so negotiating 3-4 months in advance isn't a big deal. | ||
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Dontkillme
Korea (South)806 Posts
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On December 17 2012 02:36 Dontkillme wrote: Wait a minute, there are players that aren't even going to foreign tourneys and they are still getting paid... GanZi just because he has wrist injury and can't perform like fucking Mvp or Innovation doesn't mean that his salary should be slashed in half. There are so many other complexity players that are equally or even more bad than Ganzi and yet I don't hear any of them getting a pay cut. WTF Possibly because they are getting payed less than Ganzi in the first place? | ||
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
On December 17 2012 02:36 Dontkillme wrote: Wait a minute, there are players that aren't even going to foreign tourneys and they are still getting paid... GanZi just because he has wrist injury and can't perform like fucking Mvp or Innovation doesn't mean that his salary should be slashed in half. There are so many other complexity players that are equally or even more bad than Ganzi and yet I don't hear any of them getting a pay cut. WTF Well, if he is injured, I can see why he would get a pay cut at the renewal of his contract... Problem is not that. The problem is that Ganzi is claiming that they asked him to accept a pay cut of half is salary because they were looking for another Korean, during is contract. Wich is disgusting. < And seriously... if it was not true... why did Ganzi left with 3 or 4 months left on is actual contract, missing all those 4 months of salary? | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On December 17 2012 02:40 Xalorian wrote: And seriously... if it was not true... why did Ganzi left with 3 or 4 months left on is actual contract, missing all those 4 months of salary? It shows that contracts still mean shit in eSports. In complexity's news they said "We made Ganzi a contract offer for 2013 but were unable to agree on terms." This is obviously enough reason to void any current ongoing contracts. "Sign this contract or gtfo, we will not honor our previous contract", since, as you mentioned, there's no reason for Ganzi to agree to a termination of contract (he only loses salary and apparently wasnt in contact with another team which would sign him immediately). | ||
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1Dhalism
862 Posts
It should be noted that GanZi also mentioned that other provisions such as providing medical expenses were still due, but later retracted his statement. So in other words GanZi has no idea what is going on. An experienced team like complexity, hiring someone who has no name recognition(he's no MMA or Stephano where even when performing badly they have enough momentum to stay hyped for a while) will surely have performance clauses in their contracts. Although it would be nice to see a definite answer from coL. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On December 17 2012 02:20 Shocae wrote: Lol @ trying to get him to sign a contract to lessen his pay when his original contract had not yet expired. Yes, please Ganzi, volunteer to get paid less so we can save money. or you don't actually understand. at all in some cases you're not going to be able to sign a contract easily when the original contract expire_d_ (i.e. other teams, etc) On December 17 2012 02:36 Dontkillme wrote: Wait a minute, there are players that aren't even going to foreign tourneys and they are still getting paid... GanZi just because he has wrist injury and can't perform like fucking Mvp or Innovation doesn't mean that his salary should be slashed in half. There are so many other complexity players that are equally or even more bad than Ganzi and yet I don't hear any of them getting a pay cut. WTF the question is, how much were they paid in the first place in comparison to ganzi before in form and now On December 17 2012 02:40 Xalorian wrote: Well, if he is injured, I can see why he would get a pay cut at the renewal of his contract... Problem is not that. The problem is that Ganzi is claiming that they asked him to accept a pay cut of half is salary because they were looking for another Korean, during is contract. Wich is disgusting. < And seriously... if it was not true... why did Ganzi left with 3 or 4 months left on is actual contract, missing all those 4 months of salary? "team decided that they wanted to sign a more famous and skilled player" during what ganzi said "but offered to include provisions that would return him to his previous amount should he return to full-time play." Maybe a communication error? zzz | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On December 17 2012 02:06 Finnz wrote: The thing is, im not being funny but what CoL players have been doing well? i dont recall really anyone from CoL putting up really great results this past year in major tournaments anyway. I feel quite sorry for Ganzi, he is such a nice guy and i hope he returns back to his old self and finds a new team soon. To be fair, Heart stayed in Code S and GSL much longer than Ganzi. I used to love Ganzi and he was one of my favorite players when he was on SlayerS. But to be perfectly honest, if I were CoL I would definitely be looking to downgrade his salary, given his recent trend in performances and with injury there's no reason to believe he's going to improve. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9377 Posts
On December 17 2012 01:51 crbox wrote: There's actually not information for us to really judge who's right / wrong. Seems like GanZi was so hurt by something Lake said, he made a statement on it online. Now I can only imagine what Lake said was pretty harsh, otherwise it's a pretty dumb move by GanZi. We'll see when we get more details. Yes, Ganzi asked why he was offered a lower salary, and Jason Lake told him that he wasn't good enough + he wasn't that young anymore. Ganzi didn't like those words and decided to whine. That's my interpretation. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
If It's true that CoL wanted to void his current contract and lower his pay effective immediately instead of waiting until it expired that's pretty fucked up, I guess. I doubt Ganzi can find another team easily looking at the current list of teamless players, teams just aren't really recruiting in general anymore. Number of " Pro-gamers " is going to have to downsize. I feel like he would have been better off staying on CoL for less than leaving the team expecting equal pay to what he was making before somewhere else, cause that's just not going to happen. Don't be surprised if he ends up retiring if he can't find another team to take him for any substantial amount, once you've tasted the money It's hard to go back to being a ESF player getting paid nothing. | ||
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
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pOriishan
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