EPTESFI News'GanZi "deeply hurt" after coL contract' - Page 9
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
I think it's simple. As a player if somebody comes forward saying that you're not as valuable to them anymore, you'd be hurt. I think Ganzi was hurt. I don't think coL was trying to cheat him (which is what some people here seem to be perpetuating) but that he simply wasn't worth the value that he was when he was picked up. Lake probably gave it to him straight up, and Ganzi didn't like that. It sucks to not be performing as well as a player, and I think Ganzi's feelings stem from his own inabilities to perform of late. I feel for him, but that's just how it is. | ||
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
On December 17 2012 13:41 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Whatever coL was offering was probably more than he's going to get anywhere else now yeah that'll teach him rite boys non-korean teams: exploiting talent and language barriers since 1998! | ||
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gosublade
632 Posts
On December 17 2012 14:16 yeastiality wrote: yeah that'll teach him rite boys non-korean teams: exploiting talent and language barriers since 1998! welcome to the world of humans since fuck.knows.BC | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 17 2012 14:16 yeastiality wrote: yeah that'll teach him rite boys non-korean teams: exploiting talent and language barriers since 1998! Funny way of defining "exploiting" Getting more money, travel, and exposure than sitting in Code A or worse Some hardcore "exploitation" right there. | ||
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
On December 17 2012 12:59 Azzur wrote: Ah tough, korean players! They left korean teams chasing big bucks in foreign teams but didn't realise things operate differently in the west. I don't really have much sympathy. Guess you'll be happy when all the Koreans give up on joining foreign teams who then become unable to compete with the best and drop their SC2 teams then? | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On December 17 2012 14:16 yeastiality wrote: yeah that'll teach him rite boys non-korean teams: exploiting talent and language barriers since 1998! The internet: a place for people to shout uneducated opinions since the early 90s! | ||
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enCore-
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seiferoth10
3362 Posts
On December 17 2012 17:24 enCore- wrote: Why would Ganzi lie about this and destroy his career if this was uncovered? His english skills are better than the average korean and I'm sure that he understood the manager correctly, since it makes a lot more sense for him being kicked out of the team now instead of when his "better paid" contract ended. Ruthless organizations like complexity make it clear that they don't have their heart in this. Emotions in business? Worked out for Quantic. | ||
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
Just best of luck to Ganzi on what he plans to do next and put this behind him. | ||
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
On December 17 2012 17:24 enCore- wrote: Why would Ganzi lie about this and destroy his career if this was uncovered? His english skills are better than the average korean and I'm sure that he understood the manager correctly, since it makes a lot more sense for him being kicked out of the team now instead of when his "better paid" contract ended. Ruthless organizations like complexity make it clear that they don't have their heart in this. my god the ignorance in this thread | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On December 16 2012 20:16 schmutttt wrote: How the hell can Ganzi bitch about contract status if what Lake said is true? Sick of Koreans thinking they can just walk into western teams and command good salaries/conditions with minimal results/showings. ganzi has the same neck injury as MVP IIRC meaning he has to spend a crap ton of his time not playing or he wouldn't be any good to the team at all when you get injured in a professional sport, the team takes care of you and finds you a physical therapist, etc. even if it's a college team, most of the time they front your bills and thats just understood. if you want the talent you have to be willing to take care of it. ganzi also has had minimal results because over the last four months he hasn't really played many tournaments. the one's he did play in he did okay (he is off and on.) for example, in iron squid he beat fntic J, hyun and and a few other really solid playres | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 17 2012 17:24 enCore- wrote: Why would Ganzi lie about this and destroy his career if this was uncovered? His english skills are better than the average korean and I'm sure that he understood the manager correctly, since it makes a lot more sense for him being kicked out of the team now instead of when his "better paid" contract ended. Ruthless organizations like complexity make it clear that they don't have their heart in this. I find this hard to believe, having heard Jason Lake talk about Esports and how he talks abouts Esports and business. Jason Lake has admitted to spending a quarter of a million dollars of his own money on starting Complexity. He does care about his players, but he also needs to make the team work. I will say that Jason Lake has a very no nonsense way of talking about business, contracts and he fully admits he does not have a lot of patience for “BS”. He is an attorney, after all and a lot of them know when they are getting BSed(I know, I work for them) I could see how that sort of approach through a language and cultural filter could leave Ganzie with his feelings being hurt. But in the end, I say, as always "Life is hard, get a helmet." At the end of the day, Ganzie was not doing very well and its not a shock that his contract go downgraded. Jason Lake has said “its hard for SC2 players right now. It’s a buyers market for teams, which is not great for players”. So go the growing pains of SC2. Some players are going to fade away. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On December 17 2012 17:24 enCore- wrote: Ruthless organizations like complexity make it clear that they don't have their heart in this. LMFAO Guys, Jason Lake doesn't have his heart in esports. Holy fuck dude, do you even know what you said? | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On December 17 2012 17:24 enCore- wrote: Why would Ganzi lie about this and destroy his career if this was uncovered? His english skills are better than the average korean and I'm sure that he understood the manager correctly, since it makes a lot more sense for him being kicked out of the team now instead of when his "better paid" contract ended. Ruthless organizations like complexity make it clear that they don't have their heart in this. Just...stop. "Ruthless organization"? Are you fucking kidding me? | ||
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ihOpe
192 Posts
 hope you get back on your feet! | ||
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PiQLiQ
Sweden702 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On December 18 2012 11:48 docvoc wrote: Pretty much have to say that I see this in Ganzi's light and not CoL's. I really think the decision to decrease his salary by half is not only a poor choice, but is an insult to Ganzi's play. I can see where Lake is coming from, however that is an affront to Ganzi as a player and a person, not as a commodity. Not taking B.S. is one thing, but insinuating that he would hire more talented Korean talent is just an insult to Ganzi. I can see where Lake is coming from, but I think that was the wrong way to go about lowering Ganzi's pay because of an injury he can't control. you can't control any injury... it's not Ganzi's fault but Ganzi can't hold up his end of the deal (to be a good Starcraft player) with his injury. I don't understand why this is such a big deal. Look at every other sports contract, if the player gets hurt, they don't get as big of a contract (if any) | ||
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