EPTESFI News'GanZi "deeply hurt" after coL contract' - Page 3
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
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NoobSkills
United States1598 Posts
On December 16 2012 19:35 bluQ wrote: Facts? Where are facts? I read trhough every post of this thread but couldnt find any facts. Post about facts. Not a post of facts. It either happened one way or it didn't. Either he demanded he take half his salary or he didn't. No cultural difference is going to modify what happened. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On December 16 2012 19:25 NoobSkills wrote: This is a post about facts nothing to do with culture. This. Cultural differences are not facts. Grey areas are the realm of divorce lawyers, map-hackers and interior decorators. | ||
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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Thurken
961 Posts
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
On December 16 2012 18:29 RenSC2 wrote: From the outside looking in, it seems like Jason Lake negotiates hard, but fairly, when it comes to contracts. It's very standard practice in the western world. Unfortunately for him, I don't think he understands Korean culture yet and the way they seem to negotiate contracts. Following western business practices with eastern players may burn more bridges for Complexity than they can afford when the best players are almost all Korean. He's going to have to learn how to bridge that gap somehow if he wants Complexity to be a force within SC2. No it's not... ''standard'' would be to wait out the contract and then offer him this contract (or none at all, if you ain't happy with him) | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
As for contracts, Korean vs Western doesn't matter. They work in Western countries, they work by Western rules. Simple as. This looks like a miscommunication to me. | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
On December 16 2012 19:53 Technique wrote: No it's not... ''standard'' would be to wait out the contract and then offer him this contract (or none at all, if you ain't happy with him) This is, of course, nonsense. Contract renegotiation is something you do while the contract is still running, before it ends. Which is exactly what they did there. | ||
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MVega
763 Posts
On December 16 2012 19:42 Chriscras wrote: Well the ex-slayers players are certainly developing a reputation t-t I hate to admit it, but this was my first thought as well after reading the full original post. I loved SlayerS as a team, I have one of their jerseys, there is a poster on the wall of my bar of BoxeR in that Obama "hope" style, but the former SlayerS players are seeming to develop a less than favorable reputation. | ||
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Inzan1ty
1163 Posts
he cant expect to just sit there and get paid doing nothing, and of course he might get lazy and use his injury as an excuse... | ||
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WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
Best of luck to both sides of the arguments, whoever happens to be saying the truth. | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
Sick of Koreans thinking they can just walk into western teams and command good salaries/conditions with minimal results/showings. | ||
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Mahanaim
Korea (South)1002 Posts
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NoobSkills
United States1598 Posts
On December 16 2012 20:07 WigglingSquid wrote: Until we get a commonly accepted foreign body to arbitrate this kind of controversies, we will always invariably be left with two opposite statements by the contending parties. Meh. Best of luck to both sides of the arguments, whoever happens to be saying the truth. Why would anyone want an arbitrator in on their contract negotiation? Maybe the player, but who would be the one paying the arbitrator? It would be the team. Can you say conflict of interest? The only way these controversies are ended is if there is a video camera with audio in the room. Then, everyone will know what happened exactly and there won't be anything left up in the air. | ||
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Thurken
961 Posts
On December 16 2012 20:16 schmutttt wrote: How the hell can Ganzi bitch about contract status if what Lake said is true? Sick of Koreans thinking they can just walk into western teams and command good salaries/conditions with minimal results/showings. So you join a company with a one-year contract, and then injure yourself while working. You then expect to see your contract cut off or drastically changed? I hope your company does not do that to you if it happens. Of course there are two sides of this story so this is not black and white. | ||
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Marti
552 Posts
On December 16 2012 19:53 Thurken wrote: Considering Complexity's background (not paying salary/holding their word in the CS era, or being involved in a negotiation with a player without telling his team for example) This, this so much. Jason lason lake is good at PR. But the facts ( and the players ) are too often against him. | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
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NoobSkills
United States1598 Posts
On December 16 2012 20:24 Marti wrote: This, this so much. Jason lason lake is good at PR. But the facts ( and the players ) are too often against him. Because in the end the players are usually the only ones hurt. A team doesn't mourn a player leaving usually, though they sometimes do. A team doesn't care that they paid Ganzi X and he got injured, they just know not to do it again. The players typically come out with these negative comments after they're being dismissed. On December 16 2012 20:23 Thurken wrote: So you join a company with a one-year contract, and then injure yourself while working. You then expect to see your contract cut off or drastically changed? I hope your company does not do that to you if it happens. Of course there are two sides of this story so this is not black and white. Two sides, and lets call them Side Black and Side White. | ||
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Marti
552 Posts
On December 16 2012 20:30 NoobSkills wrote: Because in the end the players are usually the only ones hurt. A team doesn't mourn a player leaving usually, though they sometimes do. A team doesn't care that they paid Ganzi X and he got injured, they just know not to do it again. The players typically come out with these negative comments after they're being dismissed. Agreed, not paying your players, talking to another team before even noticing the one you currently have that they're about to get fired etc etc ... that kinda stuff usually hurts the players | ||
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LingBlingBling
United States353 Posts
On December 16 2012 19:54 Evangelist wrote: Ganzi doesn't speak English, right? A lot of these hurt feelings might be down to a simple error in translation. It's always a risk. As for contracts, Korean vs Western doesn't matter. They work in Western countries, they work by Western rules. Simple as. This looks like a miscommunication to me. Dude they have translators, they don't sign people they can't communicate properly with, that would be horrid. And Ganzi understands/speaks decent English, every major team has Korean translators with them if they have Koreans on the team, otherwise you would see all kinds of Chaos. | ||
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