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Shibunbundit
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria22 Posts
December 05 2012 00:45 GMT
#381
On December 05 2012 09:39 darkness wrote:
Such a shame, I remember their co-operation with... was it IM-MVP's team? It was definitely a good Korean team.

StartaleQ
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
December 05 2012 00:46 GMT
#382
This is the problem with investor-based teams; once investors pull out, they immediately crumble. The model might allow for very fast expansion into something big, but it is extremely volatile. The economic model of the traditional teams such as EG, Fnatic, mouz, Dignitas, complexity, SK Gaming and Millenium is what aspiring teams should look up to.

I'd really like to hear what their CEO has to say. I always saw him as being very business savvy, so I'd like to see what went wrong for him.
mousesports, Team Acer, Fnatic!
Melaine
Profile Joined October 2012
United States56 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 00:47:57
December 05 2012 00:47 GMT
#383
On December 05 2012 09:39 playLoud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 09:33 ref4 wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:31 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:18 Melaine wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:14 Cattlecruiser wrote:
On December 05 2012 08:47 BlackVelvet wrote:
On December 05 2012 08:27 Zzoram wrote:
Not a surprise.

I still don't know who the sponsors of Quantic Gaming were.

The only teams I know the sponsors of are Evil Geniuses and Team Liquid among foreign teams.

I know StarTale and LG-IM's main sponsors too.



It's no wonder that sponsors are realizing their SC2 teams aren't worth the money when their players can't be bothered to remember to say 3 words at the end of every interview.


Yeah. Makes me wonder if EG is too much at the center of things in eSports that other teams (such as Quantic) fall by the wayside. That and there's a lack of growth so its sort of a survival of the richest.


Organizations that have very poor to non-existent sponsor promotion should be out of business.
Poor marketing and fiscal decisions are what is killing eSports.
Most NA teams are run like a nerd fraternity than a professional environment.
Rigid practice schedules, consistent participation in tournaments, and product promotion are needed for survival in a developing market.

The current business model of eSports is lacking.



EG and Liquid hold their own online leagues, visually promote their sponsors (logos on team shirts), vocally thank their sponsors every chance they get, and actively try to create attention (ceremonies, community interaction, and social media).

To be fare EG was always rich, Ann who runs it is a Celeb before Esports and had powerful finical resources and had good connections marketing wise, vs other teams that started from nothing. EG is like a Wallstreet run powerhouse that had rich people supporting it from the start, Not every team is blessed and can grab a ex supermodel to run the team.
Teams need to develop a tangible products for sponsors.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Prosser


You know Anna doesn't run EG, right? She's a content producer. She's involved in the team because Geoff is.


Seriously somebody really thought EG was RUN by Anna....???

wow

The funny part was he was typing like he was educating us on how EG is run.

Funny part is you failed to read the person above me after I made the comment, I did not say she runs the entire team, but she is runs most of the marketing and promotions/funds alot of Major things that make EG so popular, you should of prob read the the guy I quoted before flaming nonsense. And the fact she was a celeb prior to esports and is such a popular person helps EG 10 folds in all-round marketing strats vs a teams that have no such support.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 00:47:44
December 05 2012 00:47 GMT
#384
On December 05 2012 09:45 Sc2Corpse wrote:
Really makes me wonder how unstable E Sports is.

Did you think it was stable? Esports is a tiny little community that's just trying to survive. If I had a kid I'd tell him/her to never get involved as a player let alone start or manage a team. It's almost never worth it.
Fluid
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada136 Posts
December 05 2012 00:49 GMT
#385
How is this possible? Weren't they like the 2nd biggest team in NA? They even had a huge team house and everything. And their players were doing pretty good...

Damn, this is so depressing...
ViktorSC
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 00:50:30
December 05 2012 00:49 GMT
#386
On December 05 2012 09:47 Melaine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 09:39 playLoud wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:33 ref4 wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:31 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:18 Melaine wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:14 Cattlecruiser wrote:
On December 05 2012 08:47 BlackVelvet wrote:
On December 05 2012 08:27 Zzoram wrote:
Not a surprise.

I still don't know who the sponsors of Quantic Gaming were.

The only teams I know the sponsors of are Evil Geniuses and Team Liquid among foreign teams.

I know StarTale and LG-IM's main sponsors too.



It's no wonder that sponsors are realizing their SC2 teams aren't worth the money when their players can't be bothered to remember to say 3 words at the end of every interview.


Yeah. Makes me wonder if EG is too much at the center of things in eSports that other teams (such as Quantic) fall by the wayside. That and there's a lack of growth so its sort of a survival of the richest.


Organizations that have very poor to non-existent sponsor promotion should be out of business.
Poor marketing and fiscal decisions are what is killing eSports.
Most NA teams are run like a nerd fraternity than a professional environment.
Rigid practice schedules, consistent participation in tournaments, and product promotion are needed for survival in a developing market.

The current business model of eSports is lacking.



EG and Liquid hold their own online leagues, visually promote their sponsors (logos on team shirts), vocally thank their sponsors every chance they get, and actively try to create attention (ceremonies, community interaction, and social media).

To be fare EG was always rich, Ann who runs it is a Celeb before Esports and had powerful finical resources and had good connections marketing wise, vs other teams that started from nothing. EG is like a Wallstreet run powerhouse that had rich people supporting it from the start, Not every team is blessed and can grab a ex supermodel to run the team.
Teams need to develop a tangible products for sponsors.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Prosser


You know Anna doesn't run EG, right? She's a content producer. She's involved in the team because Geoff is.


Seriously somebody really thought EG was RUN by Anna....???

wow

The funny part was he was typing like he was educating us on how EG is run.

Funny part is you failed to read the person above me after I made the comment, I did not say she runs the entire team, but she is runs most of the marketing and promotions/funds alot of Major things that make EG so popular, you should of prob read the the guy I quoted before flaming nonsense. And the fact she was a celeb prior to esports and is such a popular person helps EG 10 folds in all-round marketing strats vs a teams that have no such support.

Imagine: The hottest girl of, what was it, 2010? Starts hanging out and telling everyone to buy your tshirts. What happens?

Everyone starts buying your tshirts.
Buildings are units, units are buildings.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 00:51:16
December 05 2012 00:50 GMT
#387
On December 05 2012 09:44 Dodgin wrote:
They later got one with Startale that lasted a lot longer, but was more like " Startale will let Sase stay at their place " and nothing else.

That's not exactly true, other Quantic members, including State and Illusion went to stay at the StarTale House.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
December 05 2012 00:51 GMT
#388
Sad news, it's hard to take much from this since its just a few investors that suddenly stopped funding them but still sad.
Fluid
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada136 Posts
December 05 2012 00:52 GMT
#389
And Flo...oh god poor Flo ;;;
(someone hug her asap)
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 05 2012 00:55 GMT
#390
On December 05 2012 09:50 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 09:44 Dodgin wrote:
They later got one with Startale that lasted a lot longer, but was more like " Startale will let Sase stay at their place " and nothing else.

That's not exactly true, other Quantic members, including State and Illusion went to stay at the StarTale House.


I forgot about Illusion, I remember he just got back from Korea recently actually.

But yeah, Naniwa before he left, Sase and Illusion are the ones I knew of.

I was more talking about Quantic didn't do much for Startale ( as far as I know... ) but Startale let those guys hang out at their place, they never competed in team leagues together or anything I don't think? And It's not like Startale players were mentioning their team as StarTaleQ or anything like that at international events.
Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
December 05 2012 00:55 GMT
#391
On December 05 2012 09:47 Melaine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 09:39 playLoud wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:33 ref4 wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:31 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:18 Melaine wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:14 Cattlecruiser wrote:
On December 05 2012 08:47 BlackVelvet wrote:
On December 05 2012 08:27 Zzoram wrote:
Not a surprise.

I still don't know who the sponsors of Quantic Gaming were.

The only teams I know the sponsors of are Evil Geniuses and Team Liquid among foreign teams.

I know StarTale and LG-IM's main sponsors too.



It's no wonder that sponsors are realizing their SC2 teams aren't worth the money when their players can't be bothered to remember to say 3 words at the end of every interview.


Yeah. Makes me wonder if EG is too much at the center of things in eSports that other teams (such as Quantic) fall by the wayside. That and there's a lack of growth so its sort of a survival of the richest.


Organizations that have very poor to non-existent sponsor promotion should be out of business.
Poor marketing and fiscal decisions are what is killing eSports.
Most NA teams are run like a nerd fraternity than a professional environment.
Rigid practice schedules, consistent participation in tournaments, and product promotion are needed for survival in a developing market.

The current business model of eSports is lacking.



EG and Liquid hold their own online leagues, visually promote their sponsors (logos on team shirts), vocally thank their sponsors every chance they get, and actively try to create attention (ceremonies, community interaction, and social media).

To be fare EG was always rich, Ann who runs it is a Celeb before Esports and had powerful finical resources and had good connections marketing wise, vs other teams that started from nothing. EG is like a Wallstreet run powerhouse that had rich people supporting it from the start, Not every team is blessed and can grab a ex supermodel to run the team.
Teams need to develop a tangible products for sponsors.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Prosser


You know Anna doesn't run EG, right? She's a content producer. She's involved in the team because Geoff is.


Seriously somebody really thought EG was RUN by Anna....???

wow

The funny part was he was typing like he was educating us on how EG is run.

Funny part is you failed to read the person above me after I made the comment, I did not say she runs the entire team, but she is runs most of the marketing and promotions/funds alot of Major things that make EG so popular, you should of prob read the the guy I quoted before flaming nonsense. And the fact she was a celeb prior to esports and is such a popular person helps EG 10 folds in all-round marketing strats vs a teams that have no such support.


Hi my name is Jessica, I'm famous in Korea and run a SC2 team.
Fanboys = (ウ╹◡╹)ウ /// I like smiley faces
Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 00:56:37
December 05 2012 00:55 GMT
#392
On December 05 2012 09:18 Melaine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 09:14 Cattlecruiser wrote:
On December 05 2012 08:47 BlackVelvet wrote:
On December 05 2012 08:27 Zzoram wrote:
Not a surprise.

I still don't know who the sponsors of Quantic Gaming were.

The only teams I know the sponsors of are Evil Geniuses and Team Liquid among foreign teams.

I know StarTale and LG-IM's main sponsors too.



It's no wonder that sponsors are realizing their SC2 teams aren't worth the money when their players can't be bothered to remember to say 3 words at the end of every interview.


Yeah. Makes me wonder if EG is too much at the center of things in eSports that other teams (such as Quantic) fall by the wayside. That and there's a lack of growth so its sort of a survival of the richest.


Organizations that have very poor to non-existent sponsor promotion should be out of business.
Poor marketing and fiscal decisions are what is killing eSports.
Most NA teams are run like a nerd fraternity than a professional environment.
Rigid practice schedules, consistent participation in tournaments, and product promotion are needed for survival in a developing market.

The current business model of eSports is lacking.



EG and Liquid hold their own online leagues, visually promote their sponsors (logos on team shirts), vocally thank their sponsors every chance they get, and actively try to create attention (ceremonies, community interaction, and social media).

To be fare EG was always rich, Ann who runs it is a Celeb before Esports and had powerful finical resources and had good connections marketing wise, vs other teams that started from nothing. EG is like a Wallstreet run powerhouse that had rich people supporting it from the start, Not every team is blessed and can grab a ex supermodel to run the team.
Teams need to develop a tangible products for sponsors.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Prosser


You're a very high quality troll, i must admit. Elegant. Liked your effort with the barbie-caster too.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
December 05 2012 00:56 GMT
#393
So depressing...

I loved all the support they gave to so many NA players... so many now don't have homes and many may not find one. Or even if they do, I'm sure most will not find one that will support them as well. Maybe a few will get picked up by big teams like EG or Liquid, but I can only see things getting worse for most.

I was also looking forward to seeing Flo improve over time, but again... I question if she will find a new supportive team where she can focus solely on playing.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
December 05 2012 00:57 GMT
#394
On December 05 2012 09:49 Fluid wrote:
How is this possible? Weren't they like the 2nd biggest team in NA? They even had a huge team house and everything. And their players were doing pretty good...

Damn, this is so depressing...


Because they were apparently 100% reliant on investor funding... It doesn't really matter much if you have a ton of non-guaranteed money that isn't really yours.

Everyone likes to shit on EG, but in the end they are one of the few foreign teams, along with Liquid that can actually offer stable conditions for players.

I think Quantic just got too big for it's own good but I guess no one really knows except those directly involved.
Fluid
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada136 Posts
December 05 2012 00:59 GMT
#395
On December 05 2012 09:57 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 09:49 Fluid wrote:
How is this possible? Weren't they like the 2nd biggest team in NA? They even had a huge team house and everything. And their players were doing pretty good...

Damn, this is so depressing...


Because they were apparently 100% reliant on investor funding... It doesn't really matter much if you have a ton of non-guaranteed money that isn't really yours.

Everyone likes to shit on EG, but in the end they are one of the few foreign teams, along with Liquid that can actually offer stable conditions for players.

I think Quantic just got too big for it's own good but I guess no one really knows except those directly involved.


But then how did they get the money to use that huge team house? Did the ceo just blindly accept to rent a huge house without knowing if their investors would pay them the next month? What kind of business rationale is that?
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
December 05 2012 01:02 GMT
#396
On December 05 2012 09:59 Fluid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 09:57 SupLilSon wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:49 Fluid wrote:
How is this possible? Weren't they like the 2nd biggest team in NA? They even had a huge team house and everything. And their players were doing pretty good...

Damn, this is so depressing...


Because they were apparently 100% reliant on investor funding... It doesn't really matter much if you have a ton of non-guaranteed money that isn't really yours.

Everyone likes to shit on EG, but in the end they are one of the few foreign teams, along with Liquid that can actually offer stable conditions for players.

I think Quantic just got too big for it's own good but I guess no one really knows except those directly involved.


But then how did they get the money to use that huge team house? Did the ceo just blindly accept to rent a huge house without knowing if their investors would pay them the next month? What kind of business rationale is that?


By the sound of things that's exactly what happened... Are you really surprised by this point though? We've seen numerous teams fail, most of them were headed by guys with little to no business experience or education. Lots of people jumped on the opportunities that SC2 presented based on ambition alone. SC2 bubble has burst and the NA scene is especially weak on a global scale.
Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
December 05 2012 01:03 GMT
#397
On December 05 2012 09:59 Fluid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 09:57 SupLilSon wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:49 Fluid wrote:
How is this possible? Weren't they like the 2nd biggest team in NA? They even had a huge team house and everything. And their players were doing pretty good...

Damn, this is so depressing...


Because they were apparently 100% reliant on investor funding... It doesn't really matter much if you have a ton of non-guaranteed money that isn't really yours.

Everyone likes to shit on EG, but in the end they are one of the few foreign teams, along with Liquid that can actually offer stable conditions for players.

I think Quantic just got too big for it's own good but I guess no one really knows except those directly involved.


But then how did they get the money to use that huge team house? Did the ceo just blindly accept to rent a huge house without knowing if their investors would pay them the next month? What kind of business rationale is that?


If SirScoots was right some months back it was payed by the college funds from the owners kids, but who knows
Fanboys = (ウ╹◡╹)ウ /// I like smiley faces
-Lullaby-
Profile Joined October 2012
Canada7 Posts
December 05 2012 01:04 GMT
#398
Sad. But I have their hoodie. Hipster success.
shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
December 05 2012 01:05 GMT
#399
Yikes, to get it like this: with investors suddenly pulling out without a warning to anyone, must be hard. It's like your fiance of 3 years breaking up with you over a text from her boyfriend's house in France.

Hope all the (ex)Quantic players can find a new team, feel for them.
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
Fluid
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada136 Posts
December 05 2012 01:09 GMT
#400
On December 05 2012 10:02 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 09:59 Fluid wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:57 SupLilSon wrote:
On December 05 2012 09:49 Fluid wrote:
How is this possible? Weren't they like the 2nd biggest team in NA? They even had a huge team house and everything. And their players were doing pretty good...

Damn, this is so depressing...


Because they were apparently 100% reliant on investor funding... It doesn't really matter much if you have a ton of non-guaranteed money that isn't really yours.

Everyone likes to shit on EG, but in the end they are one of the few foreign teams, along with Liquid that can actually offer stable conditions for players.

I think Quantic just got too big for it's own good but I guess no one really knows except those directly involved.


But then how did they get the money to use that huge team house? Did the ceo just blindly accept to rent a huge house without knowing if their investors would pay them the next month? What kind of business rationale is that?


By the sound of things that's exactly what happened... Are you really surprised by this point though? We've seen numerous teams fail, most of them were headed by guys with little to no business experience or education. Lots of people jumped on the opportunities that SC2 presented based on ambition alone. SC2 bubble has burst and the NA scene is especially weak on a global scale.


It's true that the team is only ~1 year old, but they had some big names join them (Sase,Stc,Nani,etc...). You'd think that would make investors more relaxed since they are guaranteed advertisement in big tournaments. It still feels suspicious that such a big team with very good players can vanish instantly.
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