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On December 05 2012 09:39 darkness wrote:
Such a shame, I remember their co-operation with... was it IM-MVP's team? It was definitely a good Korean team.
StartaleQ
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This is the problem with investor-based teams; once investors pull out, they immediately crumble. The model might allow for very fast expansion into something big, but it is extremely volatile. The economic model of the traditional teams such as EG, Fnatic, mouz, Dignitas, complexity, SK Gaming and Millenium is what aspiring teams should look up to.
I'd really like to hear what their CEO has to say. I always saw him as being very business savvy, so I'd like to see what went wrong for him.
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On December 05 2012 09:39 playLoud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 09:33 ref4 wrote:On December 05 2012 09:31 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On December 05 2012 09:18 Melaine wrote:On December 05 2012 09:14 Cattlecruiser wrote:On December 05 2012 08:47 BlackVelvet wrote:On December 05 2012 08:27 Zzoram wrote:
Not a surprise.
I still don't know who the sponsors of Quantic Gaming were.
The only teams I know the sponsors of are Evil Geniuses and Team Liquid among foreign teams.
I know StarTale and LG-IM's main sponsors too.
It's no wonder that sponsors are realizing their SC2 teams aren't worth the money when their players can't be bothered to remember to say 3 words at the end of every interview. Yeah. Makes me wonder if EG is too much at the center of things in eSports that other teams (such as Quantic) fall by the wayside. That and there's a lack of growth so its sort of a survival of the richest. Organizations that have very poor to non-existent sponsor promotion should be out of business. Poor marketing and fiscal decisions are what is killing eSports. Most NA teams are run like a nerd fraternity than a professional environment. Rigid practice schedules, consistent participation in tournaments, and product promotion are needed for survival in a developing market. The current business model of eSports is lacking. EG and Liquid hold their own online leagues, visually promote their sponsors (logos on team shirts), vocally thank their sponsors every chance they get, and actively try to create attention (ceremonies, community interaction, and social media). To be fare EG was always rich, Ann who runs it is a Celeb before Esports and had powerful finical resources and had good connections marketing wise, vs other teams that started from nothing. EG is like a Wallstreet run powerhouse that had rich people supporting it from the start, Not every team is blessed and can grab a ex supermodel to run the team. Teams need to develop a tangible products for sponsors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Prosser You know Anna doesn't run EG, right? She's a content producer. She's involved in the team because Geoff is. Seriously somebody really thought EG was RUN by Anna....??? wow The funny part was he was typing like he was educating us on how EG is run.
Funny part is you failed to read the person above me after I made the comment, I did not say she runs the entire team, but she is runs most of the marketing and promotions/funds alot of Major things that make EG so popular, you should of prob read the the guy I quoted before flaming nonsense. And the fact she was a celeb prior to esports and is such a popular person helps EG 10 folds in all-round marketing strats vs a teams that have no such support.
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On December 05 2012 09:45 Sc2Corpse wrote:
Really makes me wonder how unstable E Sports is.
Did you think it was stable? Esports is a tiny little community that's just trying to survive. If I had a kid I'd tell him/her to never get involved as a player let alone start or manage a team. It's almost never worth it.
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How is this possible? Weren't they like the 2nd biggest team in NA? They even had a huge team house and everything. And their players were doing pretty good...
Damn, this is so depressing...
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On December 05 2012 09:47 Melaine wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 09:39 playLoud wrote:On December 05 2012 09:33 ref4 wrote:On December 05 2012 09:31 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On December 05 2012 09:18 Melaine wrote:On December 05 2012 09:14 Cattlecruiser wrote:On December 05 2012 08:47 BlackVelvet wrote:On December 05 2012 08:27 Zzoram wrote:
Not a surprise.
I still don't know who the sponsors of Quantic Gaming were.
The only teams I know the sponsors of are Evil Geniuses and Team Liquid among foreign teams.
I know StarTale and LG-IM's main sponsors too.
It's no wonder that sponsors are realizing their SC2 teams aren't worth the money when their players can't be bothered to remember to say 3 words at the end of every interview. Yeah. Makes me wonder if EG is too much at the center of things in eSports that other teams (such as Quantic) fall by the wayside. That and there's a lack of growth so its sort of a survival of the richest. Organizations that have very poor to non-existent sponsor promotion should be out of business. Poor marketing and fiscal decisions are what is killing eSports. Most NA teams are run like a nerd fraternity than a professional environment. Rigid practice schedules, consistent participation in tournaments, and product promotion are needed for survival in a developing market. The current business model of eSports is lacking. EG and Liquid hold their own online leagues, visually promote their sponsors (logos on team shirts), vocally thank their sponsors every chance they get, and actively try to create attention (ceremonies, community interaction, and social media). To be fare EG was always rich, Ann who runs it is a Celeb before Esports and had powerful finical resources and had good connections marketing wise, vs other teams that started from nothing. EG is like a Wallstreet run powerhouse that had rich people supporting it from the start, Not every team is blessed and can grab a ex supermodel to run the team. Teams need to develop a tangible products for sponsors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Prosser You know Anna doesn't run EG, right? She's a content producer. She's involved in the team because Geoff is. Seriously somebody really thought EG was RUN by Anna....??? wow The funny part was he was typing like he was educating us on how EG is run. Funny part is you failed to read the person above me after I made the comment, I did not say she runs the entire team, but she is runs most of the marketing and promotions/funds alot of Major things that make EG so popular, you should of prob read the the guy I quoted before flaming nonsense. And the fact she was a celeb prior to esports and is such a popular person helps EG 10 folds in all-round marketing strats vs a teams that have no such support.
Imagine: The hottest girl of, what was it, 2010? Starts hanging out and telling everyone to buy your tshirts. What happens?
Everyone starts buying your tshirts.
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On December 05 2012 09:44 Dodgin wrote:
They later got one with Startale that lasted a lot longer, but was more like " Startale will let Sase stay at their place " and nothing else.
That's not exactly true, other Quantic members, including State and Illusion went to stay at the StarTale House.
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Sad news, it's hard to take much from this since its just a few investors that suddenly stopped funding them but still sad.
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And Flo...oh god poor Flo ;;;
(someone hug her asap)
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On December 05 2012 09:50 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 09:44 Dodgin wrote:
They later got one with Startale that lasted a lot longer, but was more like " Startale will let Sase stay at their place " and nothing else. That's not exactly true, other Quantic members, including State and Illusion went to stay at the StarTale House.
I forgot about Illusion, I remember he just got back from Korea recently actually.
But yeah, Naniwa before he left, Sase and Illusion are the ones I knew of.
I was more talking about Quantic didn't do much for Startale ( as far as I know... ) but Startale let those guys hang out at their place, they never competed in team leagues together or anything I don't think? And It's not like Startale players were mentioning their team as StarTaleQ or anything like that at international events.
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On December 05 2012 09:47 Melaine wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 09:39 playLoud wrote:On December 05 2012 09:33 ref4 wrote:On December 05 2012 09:31 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On December 05 2012 09:18 Melaine wrote:On December 05 2012 09:14 Cattlecruiser wrote:On December 05 2012 08:47 BlackVelvet wrote:On December 05 2012 08:27 Zzoram wrote:
Not a surprise.
I still don't know who the sponsors of Quantic Gaming were.
The only teams I know the sponsors of are Evil Geniuses and Team Liquid among foreign teams.
I know StarTale and LG-IM's main sponsors too.
It's no wonder that sponsors are realizing their SC2 teams aren't worth the money when their players can't be bothered to remember to say 3 words at the end of every interview. Yeah. Makes me wonder if EG is too much at the center of things in eSports that other teams (such as Quantic) fall by the wayside. That and there's a lack of growth so its sort of a survival of the richest. Organizations that have very poor to non-existent sponsor promotion should be out of business. Poor marketing and fiscal decisions are what is killing eSports. Most NA teams are run like a nerd fraternity than a professional environment. Rigid practice schedules, consistent participation in tournaments, and product promotion are needed for survival in a developing market. The current business model of eSports is lacking. EG and Liquid hold their own online leagues, visually promote their sponsors (logos on team shirts), vocally thank their sponsors every chance they get, and actively try to create attention (ceremonies, community interaction, and social media). To be fare EG was always rich, Ann who runs it is a Celeb before Esports and had powerful finical resources and had good connections marketing wise, vs other teams that started from nothing. EG is like a Wallstreet run powerhouse that had rich people supporting it from the start, Not every team is blessed and can grab a ex supermodel to run the team. Teams need to develop a tangible products for sponsors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Prosser You know Anna doesn't run EG, right? She's a content producer. She's involved in the team because Geoff is. Seriously somebody really thought EG was RUN by Anna....??? wow The funny part was he was typing like he was educating us on how EG is run. Funny part is you failed to read the person above me after I made the comment, I did not say she runs the entire team, but she is runs most of the marketing and promotions/funds alot of Major things that make EG so popular, you should of prob read the the guy I quoted before flaming nonsense. And the fact she was a celeb prior to esports and is such a popular person helps EG 10 folds in all-round marketing strats vs a teams that have no such support.
Hi my name is Jessica, I'm famous in Korea and run a SC2 team.
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On December 05 2012 09:18 Melaine wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 09:14 Cattlecruiser wrote:On December 05 2012 08:47 BlackVelvet wrote:On December 05 2012 08:27 Zzoram wrote:
Not a surprise.
I still don't know who the sponsors of Quantic Gaming were.
The only teams I know the sponsors of are Evil Geniuses and Team Liquid among foreign teams.
I know StarTale and LG-IM's main sponsors too.
It's no wonder that sponsors are realizing their SC2 teams aren't worth the money when their players can't be bothered to remember to say 3 words at the end of every interview. Yeah. Makes me wonder if EG is too much at the center of things in eSports that other teams (such as Quantic) fall by the wayside. That and there's a lack of growth so its sort of a survival of the richest. Organizations that have very poor to non-existent sponsor promotion should be out of business. Poor marketing and fiscal decisions are what is killing eSports. Most NA teams are run like a nerd fraternity than a professional environment. Rigid practice schedules, consistent participation in tournaments, and product promotion are needed for survival in a developing market. The current business model of eSports is lacking. EG and Liquid hold their own online leagues, visually promote their sponsors (logos on team shirts), vocally thank their sponsors every chance they get, and actively try to create attention (ceremonies, community interaction, and social media). To be fare EG was always rich, Ann who runs it is a Celeb before Esports and had powerful finical resources and had good connections marketing wise, vs other teams that started from nothing. EG is like a Wallstreet run powerhouse that had rich people supporting it from the start, Not every team is blessed and can grab a ex supermodel to run the team. Teams need to develop a tangible products for sponsors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Prosser
You're a very high quality troll, i must admit. Elegant. Liked your effort with the barbie-caster too.
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So depressing...
I loved all the support they gave to so many NA players... so many now don't have homes and many may not find one. Or even if they do, I'm sure most will not find one that will support them as well. Maybe a few will get picked up by big teams like EG or Liquid, but I can only see things getting worse for most. 
I was also looking forward to seeing Flo improve over time, but again... I question if she will find a new supportive team where she can focus solely on playing.
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On December 05 2012 09:49 Fluid wrote:
How is this possible? Weren't they like the 2nd biggest team in NA? They even had a huge team house and everything. And their players were doing pretty good...
Damn, this is so depressing...
Because they were apparently 100% reliant on investor funding... It doesn't really matter much if you have a ton of non-guaranteed money that isn't really yours.
Everyone likes to shit on EG, but in the end they are one of the few foreign teams, along with Liquid that can actually offer stable conditions for players.
I think Quantic just got too big for it's own good but I guess no one really knows except those directly involved.
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On December 05 2012 09:57 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 09:49 Fluid wrote:
How is this possible? Weren't they like the 2nd biggest team in NA? They even had a huge team house and everything. And their players were doing pretty good...
Damn, this is so depressing... Because they were apparently 100% reliant on investor funding... It doesn't really matter much if you have a ton of non-guaranteed money that isn't really yours. Everyone likes to shit on EG, but in the end they are one of the few foreign teams, along with Liquid that can actually offer stable conditions for players. I think Quantic just got too big for it's own good but I guess no one really knows except those directly involved.
But then how did they get the money to use that huge team house? Did the ceo just blindly accept to rent a huge house without knowing if their investors would pay them the next month? What kind of business rationale is that?
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On December 05 2012 09:59 Fluid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 09:57 SupLilSon wrote:On December 05 2012 09:49 Fluid wrote:
How is this possible? Weren't they like the 2nd biggest team in NA? They even had a huge team house and everything. And their players were doing pretty good...
Damn, this is so depressing... Because they were apparently 100% reliant on investor funding... It doesn't really matter much if you have a ton of non-guaranteed money that isn't really yours. Everyone likes to shit on EG, but in the end they are one of the few foreign teams, along with Liquid that can actually offer stable conditions for players. I think Quantic just got too big for it's own good but I guess no one really knows except those directly involved. But then how did they get the money to use that huge team house? Did the ceo just blindly accept to rent a huge house without knowing if their investors would pay them the next month? What kind of business rationale is that?
By the sound of things that's exactly what happened... Are you really surprised by this point though? We've seen numerous teams fail, most of them were headed by guys with little to no business experience or education. Lots of people jumped on the opportunities that SC2 presented based on ambition alone. SC2 bubble has burst and the NA scene is especially weak on a global scale.
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On December 05 2012 09:59 Fluid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 09:57 SupLilSon wrote:On December 05 2012 09:49 Fluid wrote:
How is this possible? Weren't they like the 2nd biggest team in NA? They even had a huge team house and everything. And their players were doing pretty good...
Damn, this is so depressing... Because they were apparently 100% reliant on investor funding... It doesn't really matter much if you have a ton of non-guaranteed money that isn't really yours. Everyone likes to shit on EG, but in the end they are one of the few foreign teams, along with Liquid that can actually offer stable conditions for players. I think Quantic just got too big for it's own good but I guess no one really knows except those directly involved. But then how did they get the money to use that huge team house? Did the ceo just blindly accept to rent a huge house without knowing if their investors would pay them the next month? What kind of business rationale is that?
If SirScoots was right some months back it was payed by the college funds from the owners kids, but who knows
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Sad. But I have their hoodie. Hipster success.
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Yikes, to get it like this: with investors suddenly pulling out without a warning to anyone, must be hard. It's like your fiance of 3 years breaking up with you over a text from her boyfriend's house in France.
Hope all the (ex)Quantic players can find a new team, feel for them.
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On December 05 2012 10:02 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 09:59 Fluid wrote:On December 05 2012 09:57 SupLilSon wrote:On December 05 2012 09:49 Fluid wrote:
How is this possible? Weren't they like the 2nd biggest team in NA? They even had a huge team house and everything. And their players were doing pretty good...
Damn, this is so depressing... Because they were apparently 100% reliant on investor funding... It doesn't really matter much if you have a ton of non-guaranteed money that isn't really yours. Everyone likes to shit on EG, but in the end they are one of the few foreign teams, along with Liquid that can actually offer stable conditions for players. I think Quantic just got too big for it's own good but I guess no one really knows except those directly involved. But then how did they get the money to use that huge team house? Did the ceo just blindly accept to rent a huge house without knowing if their investors would pay them the next month? What kind of business rationale is that? By the sound of things that's exactly what happened... Are you really surprised by this point though? We've seen numerous teams fail, most of them were headed by guys with little to no business experience or education. Lots of people jumped on the opportunities that SC2 presented based on ambition alone. SC2 bubble has burst and the NA scene is especially weak on a global scale.
It's true that the team is only ~1 year old, but they had some big names join them (Sase,Stc,Nani,etc...). You'd think that would make investors more relaxed since they are guaranteed advertisement in big tournaments. It still feels suspicious that such a big team with very good players can vanish instantly.
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