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YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
December 04 2012 23:28 GMT
#421
Did they scrap the projectile idea?
Sandermatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Switzerland1365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 23:30:46
December 04 2012 23:30 GMT
#422
This really is about the change I hoped would happen. Terran still can't clump up, but it is a little more forgiving. Infested Terans can still be used to harras just as effecively, but are a little worse in direct engagements. The seeker missile buf allows terran to include some ravens, but doesn't buff mass raven (another mass spellcaster army).

I think this patch is enough. Until we see the consequences of the patch HOTS will be too close that balance changes really matter and everybody will be adapting to HOTS instead of developing new strats if they reöease another balance patch.
.ImchEEzy
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada123 Posts
December 04 2012 23:30 GMT
#423
these changes are actually huge. We'll see if patch zergs can adapt or not.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 04 2012 23:30 GMT
#424
On December 05 2012 08:28 YyapSsap wrote:
Did they scrap the projectile idea?


It's going to be tested in HOTS soon.
Prevolved
Profile Joined March 2011
United States573 Posts
December 04 2012 23:36 GMT
#425
Damn, that HSM is definitely adding strength to the 1/1/1
Know thyself.
Dragar
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom971 Posts
December 04 2012 23:38 GMT
#426
Great changes, though I worry about PvZ now - that one is already knife edge and not particularly fun to watch.
thirtyapm
Profile Joined January 2012
521 Posts
December 04 2012 23:45 GMT
#427
good work.

but what about doing nothing except reverting one of either queen or ol buff?
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 23:47:16
December 04 2012 23:46 GMT
#428
On December 05 2012 08:45 thirtyapm wrote:
good work.

but what about doing nothing except reverting one of either queen or ol buff?


Blizzard is pretty committed to planting their design philosophy flag that Zerg should always get a free third, balancing around this truism. I doubt it'll ever be changed if at all in WoL.
Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
December 04 2012 23:46 GMT
#429
I hope 1 range will be enough. It's deff going in the right direction.
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Melaine
Profile Joined October 2012
United States56 Posts
December 04 2012 23:52 GMT
#430
these changes are not that big, consider most of the community is moving on to HOTS where infestors don't matter much (Idra stated on his stream that they are buffing units like viper/hydra ect when they mass nerf infestor)

So this is only a minor change in WOL, since with proper control of infestors, the -1 range does not mean to much to pros, mabey to lower league players (does not not matter) who have bad micro. The eggs health is also minor, how often do pro protoss go early high temp?? Egg nerf is only some what useful super late game.

WOL still has Bl/infestor turtle the -1 range/egg health does nothing to change this boring play style.
Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
December 04 2012 23:53 GMT
#431
i think these changes are pretty dece, not a huge nerf on the infestor and the raven needed to be changed in some way, hopefully terrans start to use the more
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BadAim
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway879 Posts
December 04 2012 23:55 GMT
#432
Honestly they've just nerfed Z midgame. Infestor BL-armies will still be viable.
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PesteNoire
Profile Joined June 2012
151 Posts
December 04 2012 23:56 GMT
#433
Wont be enough, better than nothing I guess. If they wanted to throw a patch out there with out a major redesign of the infester which is what it needs, should have just made it 3 supply. Then zergs will make something other than 20+ infesters in every game.
Melaine
Profile Joined October 2012
United States56 Posts
December 04 2012 23:56 GMT
#434
On December 05 2012 08:53 Nazeron wrote:
i think these changes are pretty dece, not a huge nerf on the infestor and the raven needed to be changed in some way, hopefully terrans start to use the more



The remove of the seeker upgrade will not make terran use it more....this is not even really a buff, consider Ravens need a HUGE time to even gain the energy needed for 1 seeker, and the investment towards ravens is not viable early/mid game.....Only has a late game option, even then it's still risky and a gamble and relies on zerg to have their army clumped up.


Honestly kinda of pointless, Raven needs a entire re work, in which David Kim said will happen in HOTS.
Gnax
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden490 Posts
December 04 2012 23:57 GMT
#435
I have a question about the storm vs. infested terrans thing: Whouldn't good players place the infested terrans either in the opponents army or spread them out more?
iKill
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Denmark861 Posts
December 04 2012 23:59 GMT
#436
On December 05 2012 08:46 rd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 08:45 thirtyapm wrote:
good work.

but what about doing nothing except reverting one of either queen or ol buff?


Blizzard is pretty committed to planting their design philosophy flag that Zerg should always get a free third, balancing around this truism. I doubt it'll ever be changed if at all in WoL.


The problem is that before the queen patch you could gain map control, scout, contain and harass with 4 units, at no risk at all, while expanding. That is NOT balanced in any way.

Sure the queen buff was over the top, but the sheer power of reactor hellion was just too much.
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malaan
Profile Joined September 2010
365 Posts
December 04 2012 23:59 GMT
#437
On December 05 2012 08:56 Melaine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 08:53 Nazeron wrote:
i think these changes are pretty dece, not a huge nerf on the infestor and the raven needed to be changed in some way, hopefully terrans start to use the more



The remove of the seeker upgrade will not make terran use it more....this is not even really a buff, consider Ravens need a HUGE time to even gain the energy needed for 1 seeker, and the investment towards ravens is not viable early/mid game.....Only has a late game option, even then it's still risky and a gamble and relies on zerg to have their army clumped up.


Honestly kinda of pointless, Raven needs a entire re work, in which David Kim said will happen in HOTS.



Raven will become more like the science vessel in HotS I think. At least that is the impression they gave at WCS
Melaine
Profile Joined October 2012
United States56 Posts
December 04 2012 23:59 GMT
#438
On December 05 2012 08:57 Gnax wrote:
I have a question about the storm vs. infested terrans thing: Whouldn't good players place the infested terrans either in the opponents army or spread them out more?



The infested terran egg nerf will only come into play in the late game, in the PVZ match up, so late game the direct fight with only infested terrans will be some what weaker, but the nerf does not do to much in zvt, where zerg can still use few eggs to force siege tanks to fire on each other or help break siege lines.
Limited328
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada58 Posts
December 05 2012 00:02 GMT
#439
This is huge! Makes me want to play SC2 1v1 again.
zManiacal
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom38 Posts
December 05 2012 00:02 GMT
#440
Cry enough and things happen, I like it.
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