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You guys arent judging the games properly  . For one, Dota and LoL require teamplay to achieve success and you cant just be that one good player you gotta rely on your whole team to win the game. Obviously in starcraft you have a team to practice with and shit but when you play in most cases its 1v1 where all your skills transpire into one match and you dont need any backup or supports. What you guys are arguing is which game requires more skill which is irrelevant because its different types of skill sets required for both games.
Obviously LoL and Dota you can play quite casually just like starcraft however youll have the same success rate win/loss ratio as you did in starcraft too because once you reach a certain point theres crazy meta games involved that casuals wouldnt know about. This shit is akin to moving mules before they die, using rocks, shit like that.
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On November 25 2012 02:40 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 02:08 The Final Boss wrote:On November 24 2012 20:56 masterbreti wrote:
This is kinda sad. I met Inori back in June and he was doing really well, he was playing really solid, I'm rather depressed he decided to hang up his mouse, a teop level protoss player who was so very underrated by the community. Did you read the post, he didn't hang up his mouse, he just went to a more lucrative game. Last stats I heard there was a lot more prize money given out for SC2 this year than LoL.
The vast majority of that prize money is incredibly top-heavy.
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On November 25 2012 02:40 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 02:08 The Final Boss wrote:On November 24 2012 20:56 masterbreti wrote:
This is kinda sad. I met Inori back in June and he was doing really well, he was playing really solid, I'm rather depressed he decided to hang up his mouse, a teop level protoss player who was so very underrated by the community. Did you read the post, he didn't hang up his mouse, he just went to a more lucrative game. Last stats I heard there was a lot more prize money given out for SC2 this year than LoL.
I would love to see those statistics, personally I find them a bit hard to believe. But as other people have mentioned, sponsorships also have been going more and more towards League of Legends as well as fans, because I can tell you that at any given point, there are more people watching League of Legends streams than there are people watching StarCraft 2.
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On November 25 2012 06:26 brieN wrote:
when you cant be good at a game that takes skill, jump to a game that a 12 year old can be a pro at
Didn't sC move to LoL? sC was pretty damn good at StarCraft 2, I would say that he was one of the best players to never win a GSL.
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On November 23 2012 18:16 emc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 18:16 Snowbear wrote:
I hope that this time people won't act like it's the end of sc2. The competition is too high atm, there are too many professionals, so people will have to quit. Good luck inori! but isn't LoL bigger? it's also a team sport which is harder in other ways because there are more things that are out of your control.
Your talking a little hypothetically... honestly LoL is in no way harder because it puts all the responsibility in 1 persons skill, and it just takes so much understanding and mechanics to be good at. They just had an entire league of players just transver over, the weaker pros will realize they can not win anymore and start to go elsewhere, its a cycle. Sure lol is expanding a lot and is also a team game so that helps much more for the amount of players needed on pro teams.
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can we just buried sc2 already
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On November 25 2012 06:42 WigglingSquid wrote:
I would be curious to read opinions from the "other side". LoL players must have an opinion on this trend, unless it actually is as irrelevant as one might fear.
SC2 doesn't seem to have that much in common with Dota games and, given how much competition there is already, I wonder how successful are those who switch.
LoL players don't really follow SC2 players switching over because most of them don't end up going anywhere with it. Usually when people say they're "switching to League" they haven't even gotten to 30, and will probably quit before they do.
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Threads like this remind me that being a progamer has got to be the WORST job in the world. Unreliable pay, instability, and inability to win in the eyes of fans. If you decide to switch games for any reason a bunch of people say "Ah yep, that game he used to play is doomed!" and a bunch of people say "Ah yeah his results weren't the best, he's greedy, he's got no skill, and that other game is for [insult!]." eSports is Bella, LoL is Team Jacob, StarCraft 2 is Team Edward.
I really wish Inori the best in his eSports career and whatever he does after eSports. He deserves a lot better than some of the comments he's getting.
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Bets of luck in League...
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On November 23 2012 23:34 Meggiroth wrote:
What are people smoking? LoL more complex than SC2??!?!?!?
You have 5 units vs 5 units spaming spells at eachother and micro-ing a single unit most of the time.
How can you compare that with sc2 pro lvl?
There is no meta. Just map awareness and fast decision making during team clashes.
Players like Inori leave for LoL because its an easier source for money. There is way more money thrown into LoL because of its large audience generated from copy pasting the dota concept, making it free and more easy than the not so noob-friendly dota.
You have to study tons of heroes abilities and counters since you have to either play them or play against them in any MOBA. I used to play DOTA and I lose a lot after being inactive due to the introduction of new heroes. You can tell Flash to be inactive from either BW/SC2 for 2 years and he can still wipe the floor with amateurs afterwards. Studying hundreds of heroes > 3 races.
The only downside of MOBA games are the maturity issues of the community. However after seeing Dramacraft 2 threads in TL/Reddit I realize that any non-BW community has maturity issues, not only MOBA.
On November 23 2012 18:23 Integra wrote:
The SC2 scene is incredible saturated of "pro players" at the moment and it's very discouraging for allot of the lower tiers pros to stick with it. LOL is much more forgiving.
Exactly, back then people needed to win a courage tournament full of A+/Olympic level players to obtain a programer license in BW. Now in SC2 everyone and their mother is a "progamer" in SC2. Being a ""SC2 progamer" doesn't mean you have an edge over a "LoL progamer" since the definition of a SC2 progamer nowadays is a full-time player without any qualifications and guess what? There are full-time LoL players as well.
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On November 24 2012 12:53 wei2coolman wrote:
I'm a huge League fan, but I almost find it insulting that pros from SC2, and SC:BW think they can just switch to LoL and expect easy success.
where did any of them ever say that they expect easy success in LoL? I've never heard such a statement from a pro sc player switching over.
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On November 25 2012 06:57 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 02:40 Leth0 wrote:On November 25 2012 02:08 The Final Boss wrote:On November 24 2012 20:56 masterbreti wrote:
This is kinda sad. I met Inori back in June and he was doing really well, he was playing really solid, I'm rather depressed he decided to hang up his mouse, a teop level protoss player who was so very underrated by the community. Did you read the post, he didn't hang up his mouse, he just went to a more lucrative game. Last stats I heard there was a lot more prize money given out for SC2 this year than LoL. The vast majority of that prize money is incredibly top-heavy.
in LoL you mean? Cause that is the case
SC2: http://esportsearnings.com/games/1/starcraft_ii
LoL: http://www.esportsearnings.com/games/14/league_of_legends
I'm not sure on the numbers for this year alone, but in the lifetime of both games, (sc2 came out 2010, LoL in 2009) SC2 has given out $2.5 million more. SC2 has 13 players that have made over $100,000, LoL has 5 aka the 5 guys who won the s2 championships. Next highest are at $59k which isn't even in the top 25 of sc2.
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I hope he does well in life no matter what he does. :D
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On November 25 2012 08:30 The Final Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 06:26 brieN wrote:
when you cant be good at a game that takes skill, jump to a game that a 12 year old can be a pro at Didn't sC move to LoL? sC was pretty damn good at StarCraft 2, I would say that he was one of the best players to never win a GSL.
thats a stretch. He had a couple good GSL runs, but when i think of the best without a GSL title its more like MKP and Leenock. sC was never in that class imo.
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On November 25 2012 09:53 ZergCacique wrote:
can we just buried sc2 already
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horrible troll and its bury*
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On November 25 2012 11:24 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 08:30 The Final Boss wrote:On November 25 2012 06:26 brieN wrote:
when you cant be good at a game that takes skill, jump to a game that a 12 year old can be a pro at Didn't sC move to LoL? sC was pretty damn good at StarCraft 2, I would say that he was one of the best players to never win a GSL. thats a stretch. He had a couple good GSL runs, but when i think of the best without a GSL title its more like MKP and Leenock. sC was never in that class imo.
I guess that's fair enough; I just remember back (I believe it was May 2011) when sC would have won a GSL except NesTea barely beat him 3-2. I guess by the time sC had retired he was just another Korean Terran who was pretty good, but there was definitely a point when sC was one of the best in the world.
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On November 25 2012 11:02 ppshchik wrote:
You have to study tons of heroes abilities and counters since you have to either play them or play against them in any MOBA. I used to play DOTA and I lose a lot after being inactive due to the introduction of new heroes. You can tell Flash to be inactive from either BW/SC2 for 2 years and he can still wipe the floor with amateurs afterwards. Studying hundreds of heroes > 3 races.
Terrible analogy, there's only 3 races but its not about learning what they are capable to do like heroes, its much deeper than that, if this wasn't true we would have a lot of Random Code S players and as I recall we don't have a single one. In any case I can argue that in MOBAs theres usually one competitive map while in SC2 you have to learn new maps every 2 seasons or something.
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All because LoL is free it's now the biggest game, it's so sad that all of it's supporters don't realize that if SC2 was free, it would kill LoL in a second. Such a shame to see a game like LoL get so big and take so many great SC2 players. GL Inori. Don't get me wrong I like LoL as a fun game to play with friends, but other than that, it's pretty much a joke. It's sad too when my friends that are lvl 30's agree with me that sc2 takes soooo much more skill than LoL.
I think LoL has some competitiveness and lots of memorization, but nothing compared to SC2. Oh well, SC2 is still throwing out big money, and has 4 million strong, and still racks in around 100,000 viewers for MLG when LoL has 34 million players, and 180,000 viewers. Their game fan base may be strong. But their scene isn't.
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