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On November 07 2012 04:07 SuperYo1000 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 04:05 Plansix wrote:
Did people really think that David Kim was going to come out and say:
"We have reviewed Infestor/Broodlord and found it to be totally imbalanced and boring to watch. All the zerg wins in the last four months since the queen buff are pretty much invalid. We are going to be nerfing both the infestor and BL, likely 2 days before the Blizzard World Cup on Nov. 17, 2012. At that point, we will see if the patch-zergs can win without those clearly broken units"
Did people really expect that? no but we where hoping for " we are looking into lategame zerg infestor/BL compositions and appreciate all the feedback" not "its fine, winrates solve all"
Lol @ this characterization of what DK said. He actually specifically said that they are keeping an eye on it but are waiting to see more results. You and others are not doing the discussion any good by being so dramatic. Read carefully what DK said and then you can give a worthwhile response.
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On November 07 2012 03:23 ChApFoU wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 03:19 Plansix wrote:
Love the interviews. I always find the development side of the game to be fascinating and DK always gives reasonable responses. Although I hate the infestor with the fire of a nova, I understand why they don’t want to nerf it directly. Every time they nerf a unit, people just stop using it. I would rather they buff something else to help people deal with the infestor, but time will tell. I know that the tempest is going to be shooting those thing way more than BL.
His insight into HotS is awesome, I am glad they are updating some of the useless units like the voidray. That unit has never been anything but a problem for protoss and the scaling damage has caused it to be nerfed into uselessness. The raven needs love and to be made viable. The more viable air units that are out there, the better off we are.
Also, DK comment on Korean Pro gamers is great. Most of their feed back is to ask for a specific match up to be made easier for them. Did we expect anything else?
What ??? Positive thinking on a balance/Blizz official itw thread ??? Burn the heretic !!!!
Looks like I'll be joining Plansix at the stake. I'm reading through it now. It's insightful and interesting.
Good work from DK and the Blizz development team.
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I'm glad to hear the Raven, VR, and Carrier are being considered for re-design.
But seriously Dayvie, the infestor needs to be reworked. It's good in all situations at all points of the game. Nerf it and give a buff to hydras or something. And even though the swarm host is your favorite unit, it doesn't need a buff
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On November 07 2012 04:16 nucLeaRTV wrote:
Dear David Kim, what about dumbing down MACRO with workers count per bases?
Already addressed in the interview under automining, they are adding features that will have minimal affect on pro-gamers, but will help people get started playing. It is a non-issue, as it only surfaces what we already knew, but a new player would need to look up online.
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Jeez tt.. hots provides absolutely no interesting content for terran. Some people get cool spellcasters, some get interesting strategic powerhouses, terran gets the only BW unit we didn't ask for and a fucking landmine ._. I will buy for the campaign because I love the universe, but the multiplayer seems so meh. Why won't you fucking acknowledge the shit design of fungal growth or the immense boredom involved in playing against the clock.
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Some of the same generic answers.
I'm glad that they are considering redesigning some of the already existing units, and that they will probably get around to doing so, but I'm still worried with the state of the units in beta as is.
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I for one will boycott HOTS until something substantial is done.
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On November 07 2012 04:18 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 04:07 SuperYo1000 wrote:On November 07 2012 04:05 Plansix wrote:
Did people really think that David Kim was going to come out and say:
"We have reviewed Infestor/Broodlord and found it to be totally imbalanced and boring to watch. All the zerg wins in the last four months since the queen buff are pretty much invalid. We are going to be nerfing both the infestor and BL, likely 2 days before the Blizzard World Cup on Nov. 17, 2012. At that point, we will see if the patch-zergs can win without those clearly broken units"
Did people really expect that? no but we where hoping for " we are looking into lategame zerg infestor/BL compositions and appreciate all the feedback" not "its fine, winrates solve all" Lol @ this characterization of what DK said. He actually specifically said that they are keeping an eye on it but are waiting to see more results. You and others are not doing the discussion any good by being so dramatic. Read carefully what DK said and then you can give a worthwhile response.
ha...I was borderline trolling....good to see you saw right thru it lol.
The worst part of it is he wants more time to evaluate it? umm if it was terran or protoss this would of been nerfed like 4 months ago
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On November 07 2012 04:07 SuperYo1000 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 04:05 Plansix wrote:
Did people really think that David Kim was going to come out and say:
"We have reviewed Infestor/Broodlord and found it to be totally imbalanced and boring to watch. All the zerg wins in the last four months since the queen buff are pretty much invalid. We are going to be nerfing both the infestor and BL, likely 2 days before the Blizzard World Cup on Nov. 17, 2012. At that point, we will see if the patch-zergs can win without those clearly broken units"
Did people really expect that? no but we where hoping for " we are looking into lategame zerg infestor/BL compositions and appreciate all the feedback" not "its fine, winrates solve all"
Your reading comprehension isn't very good
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I realize that I am biased since I played Terran, but if you look at the negative things in the interview two things stood out to me:
Firstly, they don't want to touch the infestor. Personally I think it is really boring to watch 20 infestors every game pwning more or less every unit in the game. When ghosts were nerfed I heard things like they didn't want them to be massed like they were and they should not counter everything from the zerg. I feel like right now the infestor is near the same situation, but he still doesn't want to touch the infestor.
Secondly, looking at all the goodies the other races are getting the Terran in HoTS feels extremely boring, and like someone mentioned earlier 40 euro for an expansion that basically gives me a mine? I think I'll pass. It isn't about how good it is or not it is about new and fun things and the HoTS Terran seems lacking atm.
Also, personally I would like to hear what he thinks about the state of Terran anywhere except for Korea.
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On November 07 2012 04:05 Plansix wrote:
Did people really think that David Kim was going to come out and say:
"We have reviewed Infestor/Broodlord and found it to be totally imbalanced and boring to watch. All the zerg wins in the last four months since the queen buff are pretty much invalid. We are going to be nerfing both the infestor and BL, likely 2 days before the Blizzard World Cup on Nov. 17, 2012. At that point, we will see if the patch-zergs can win without those clearly broken units"
Did people really expect that?
Appearently, yes.
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On November 07 2012 01:26 aTnClouD wrote:
How can he think the game is fine when people are leaving SC2 to watch League of Legends? There are serious issues that are shrinking the amount of people interested in the game and watching tournaments and all he can say is that the winrates and race distributions are fine. The incompetence and arrogance shown by David Kim make speechless every time. Seriously he's so bad at his job.
I just wanted to quote cloud for once - mirrors my thoughts
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Im a little concerned about GSL going 8/6/2 Zerg/Terran/Protoss ro16, it looks quite likely right now. With some of the comments from pro's and general community opinions on various balance issues i think there will probably be some kind of change to zerg before HOTS though.
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On November 07 2012 04:33 Chr15t wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 01:26 aTnClouD wrote:
How can he think the game is fine when people are leaving SC2 to watch League of Legends? There are serious issues that are shrinking the amount of people interested in the game and watching tournaments and all he can say is that the winrates and race distributions are fine. The incompetence and arrogance shown by David Kim make speechless every time. Seriously he's so bad at his job. I just wanted to quote cloud for once - mirrors my thoughts
Could you avoid doing that? It makes it seem like his opinion matters or he has something valuable to say. My friends and I watched both SC2 and LoL this weekend and had a great time. Shockingly, we are able to enjoy both with no issues.
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Some of the most informative and insightful dev interviews read in a while.
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Bravo Dustin. Doesn't he realize that units countering each other so well is one of the reasons the game is so frikkin volatile and why battles culminating a 50minute long game can be decided within seconds (e.g. good vortex vs bad vortex)?
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On November 07 2012 04:37 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 04:33 Chr15t wrote:On November 07 2012 01:26 aTnClouD wrote:
How can he think the game is fine when people are leaving SC2 to watch League of Legends? There are serious issues that are shrinking the amount of people interested in the game and watching tournaments and all he can say is that the winrates and race distributions are fine. The incompetence and arrogance shown by David Kim make speechless every time. Seriously he's so bad at his job. I just wanted to quote cloud for once - mirrors my thoughts Could you avoid doing that? It makes it seem like his opinion matters or he has something valuable to say. My friends and I watched both SC2 and LoL this weekend and had a great time. Shockingly, we are able to enjoy both with no issues.
Your opinion matters even less than Clouds... Nobody said MLG was boring, but only that zerg lategame is. If you enjoy it, it's probably because you're retarded, hence the watching of LoL as well.
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Insta nerf Thors insta nerf Ghosts but infestors are fine? What a joke.
And the hellbat and mines are seriously shit compared to everything toss and zerg are getting. The hellbat is useless against everything except for zealots, your better off using regular hellions against everything zerg and terran. The widow mine is decent but they are just not designed well. I'm not going to spend 20 supply rigging my base in widow mines against protoss because I want to play mech which is more immobile and worse in a straight up fight against toss. Why the hell would anyone want to mech against Toss right now?? The only unit that could make mech against toss viable is the warhound and they put it in the beta in a completely broken state and then as soon as people complained they just take it out.
What a joke, rebalance the warhound,
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On November 07 2012 04:26 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 04:07 SuperYo1000 wrote:On November 07 2012 04:05 Plansix wrote:
Did people really think that David Kim was going to come out and say:
"We have reviewed Infestor/Broodlord and found it to be totally imbalanced and boring to watch. All the zerg wins in the last four months since the queen buff are pretty much invalid. We are going to be nerfing both the infestor and BL, likely 2 days before the Blizzard World Cup on Nov. 17, 2012. At that point, we will see if the patch-zergs can win without those clearly broken units"
Did people really expect that? no but we where hoping for " we are looking into lategame zerg infestor/BL compositions and appreciate all the feedback" not "its fine, winrates solve all" Your reading comprehension isn't very good
neither is yours
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