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On October 31 2012 07:06 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 07:02 Dingodile wrote:
No, Goody doesnt have to tell more details, that info is clear enough to follow his decision. Darkforce, Cloud and Satiini seem to understand 100% about Goody's decision.
Only the community wants more details. There are some things what the community doesnt need to understand. if they dont want to tell the details then they really dont need to say anything. dont badmouth someone and then refuse to give details.
In what more details should they go after accusing the ESL for not paying prize money?
I guess they could make the latest conversation they had with a representant of the ESL public,
but I'd rather wait for a statement of the ESL before throwing too many things out there.
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On October 31 2012 07:21 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 07:06 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 31 2012 07:02 Dingodile wrote:
No, Goody doesnt have to tell more details, that info is clear enough to follow his decision. Darkforce, Cloud and Satiini seem to understand 100% about Goody's decision.
Only the community wants more details. There are some things what the community doesnt need to understand. if they dont want to tell the details then they really dont need to say anything. dont badmouth someone and then refuse to give details. In what more details should they go after accusing the ESL for not paying prize money? I guess they could make the latest conversation they had with a representant of the ESL public, but I'd rather wait for a statement of the ESL before throwing too many things out there.
On October 31 2012 06:49 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 06:47 Atrimex wrote:On October 31 2012 06:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
He should really expand more on this with details, if he throws it out there. Who? Goody? Amounts, timelines, previous communication.
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If ESL has some serious debt, and major trouble paying out their event winners, why do they continue to host events? It would seem almost pointless to carry on if you cannot even give whats promised. It almost seems corrupt to make their money now on the events, and not have to pay any of it out for 1-2 years after. That almost sounds criminal.
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I guess the question is this latest incident within the 90 days or has he been waiting for 5-6 months or more?
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ESL has been known to pay really late for like 6+ years now .. it's kinda ridiculous they still didn't do shit about it :/
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Well I'll just take your word for that Gutz I'm sure you fully comprehend how the German legal system works. I on the other hand don't think it would be such a bad thing for ESL to die. Its one less tournament over saturating the market and its demise might actually be a good thing. Another struggling tournament not paying SC2 players isn't something esports needs right now. We need to know what we have works, less garbage like the ESL will only improve the quality of SC2. Letting bad companies fail is a part of capitalism and as a viewer I'm ready to no longer watch and let ESL fail. Having watched it for over a year now there is nothing that comes to mind that makes me value this tournament group and want to keep it over any of the others. Not the casters not their tournaments.
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more information = more trolling! havnt you learned yet ??
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One would think problems like this wouldn't persist. After all, players can choose to stop playing in tournaments that don't give out money at any given time. It's not like they're losing anything.
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I ordered 9 weeks ago ESL Trusted 1 for my player Zervas and he didn't get it yet and they don't do a fuck.... ESL is a fucking shit organisation.
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Exactly the same thread pretty much. It's not big news ESL is late for payments.
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I never got my £ 10 from EPS UK 
(not that it matters  )
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18 months is just too long... ESL must improve this!
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On October 31 2012 07:35 UrsusRex wrote:
Well I'll just take your word for that Gutz I'm sure you fully comprehend how the German legal system works. I on the other hand don't think it would be such a bad thing for ESL to die. Its one less tournament over saturating the market and its demise might actually be a good thing. Another struggling tournament not paying SC2 players isn't something esports needs right now. We need to know what we have works, less garbage like the ESL will only improve the quality of SC2. Letting bad companies fail is a part of capitalism and as a viewer I'm ready to no longer watch and let ESL fail. Having watched it for over a year now there is nothing that comes to mind that makes me value this tournament group and want to keep it over any of the others. Not the casters not their tournaments.
Germany technically has declared abolition of tax priorities, however there are loopholes around this. If you care to read up on it I've provided a link. I've never watched ESL, I was speaking purely from the perspective of the players as the only way they will likely see any money is if ESL succeeds.
http://www.chasecambria.com/site/journal/article.php?id=191
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ESL are pretty infamous for paying out very late. I've dealt with ESL both in there national leagues such as EPS Germany, and there international tournaments like IEM. And on both types of tournaments they pay out extremely late, and you have to pester them until they pay you.
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On October 31 2012 07:39 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
One would think problems like this wouldn't persist. After all, players can choose to stop playing in tournaments that don't give out money at any given time. It's not like they're losing anything.
Theyre losing a chance to gain some publicity to further attract sponsors or other tourneys to invite them so on so forth. Not like any top tier pros would ever consider to play ESL. I really cant believe how naive a lot of the fans are when it comes to the workings of esports. Its an even uglier business than most others because there are tons of "players" (in an economic sense of the word) with huge dependencies and desperate situations which get milked and abused by the "players" above them.
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On October 31 2012 07:39 AngryHobbit wrote:
WTF is pricemoney?
Come on, it's prize money. Don't act dickish towards people whose English isn't native.
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Socke once posted here that he's been waiting for several years now for prize money from different tournaments (ESL among them), with the total amount being about several thousand euros if I remember correctly. Taking into account that Cloud and Darkforce (and probably many more) have made similar experiences, Goody's frustration should neither be surprising nor doubted.
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On October 31 2012 04:42 TheBJ wrote:ESL are notoriously famous for paying late  , at least they always do. If u play in their leagues and tournies you have to plan ahead. And im sure goody knows that...
According to TakeTv Forums they didnt pay the money for 18 months. Even if they´re notoriously late with that it´s no excuse in this case.
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