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Goody quits EPS since ESL isnt paying prize money

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SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-31 22:13:16
October 30 2012 19:39 GMT
#1
https://www.facebook.com/GoOdySC2/posts/456217794430567

"Since ESL isnt paying any pricemoney i will quit EPS."


On October 31 2012 05:01 aTnClouD wrote:
We are in the 6th season I believe, and still waiting for the money from the 2nd season, which started in january 2011. I think he has a valid point.


On October 31 2012 05:14 Satiinifi wrote:
waiting for eps nordic since 2 years ago, was waiting for esl enc since 3 years ago, got it month ago !!!!! :D


On October 31 2012 05:50 DarKFoRcE wrote:
Its true. The only EPS Season that has been paid out was the one that ended november or december 2010. I think the first 2011 season will be paid out soonish. As long as ESL doesnt go broke, im quite sure that they will pay out the prizemoney eventually... but yes, we have to wait for very long (18 months right now).

IEM on the other hand is better. I have already gotten my prizemoney for IEM Sao Paulo like 2 or 3 months ago (the event was early february 2012) and i think i should get the prizemoney from IEM hannover (that was early march 2012) soon.


On October 31 2012 07:49 DeMusliM wrote:
ESL are pretty infamous for paying out very late. I've dealt with ESL both in there national leagues such as EPS Germany, and there international tournaments like IEM. And on both types of tournaments they pay out extremely late, and you have to pester them until they pay you.


Statement of Bastian Veiser [ Product Manager ESL Pro Series ]

On October 31 2012 23:34 myswe wrote:
To have no delay in prize money has been our most important priority for a long time.

The ESL has paid out close to $11,500,000 since it started. We paid out $1,194,727 prize money this year, including current as well as outstanding prize money.

ESL does not operate on investment money, therefore the prize money gap cannot be closed instantly. While there are complaints, and for a few months there may still be some, we have reduced outstanding prize money by 50% in the last five months.

We plan to pay out another big chunk in the coming weeks (including most of what GoOdy was referring to).

I am very sorry for the inconvenience caused to the players. It’s the personal priority of mine to make sure the ESL Pro Series is on schedule with the prize money. This is what we are all working towards.

Best regards,
Bastian Veiser [ Product Manager ESL Pro Series ]


On November 01 2012 02:01 DarKFoRcE wrote:
Got an Email today that we will get the prizemoney for the first season in 2011 in the next days. I guess we should complain publicly more often :D

On November 01 2012 06:27 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 02:13 TypeLex wrote:
ESL paid the Type players in reasonable time when the team was around.

It is indeed a difficult topic, I still feel that ESL is doing a very good job, they run IEM, they do great shows for viewers and work at their utmost to incorporate new sources of revenues to better support eSports development.
It's difficult but I'd say we should try to help them rather than go against them.

should support an organization thats notoriously bad?
i play their events out of appreciation for intel, but they are terrible. player treatment is a very, very low priority for them. convention based events are always awful. they're famous for being bad about paying prize money, they usually do pay you eventually if you hassle them enough but you're lucky if you get it within 6 months most of the time.
and its not even like theyre pushing the envelope in terms of production quality or... anything. mlg and dreamhack clearly outclass them in terms of that. they just arent an organization that deserves much of anything from the community.




ESL statement from almost a year ago: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282262

The average prize money delay differs between individual tournaments, but it's not as bad as it's made out to be. Obviously it should not happen. People at ESL are aware of it and are working to make sure everything gets paid and that the delay in prize money goes away.


One year has passed, the problem stayed the same. ESL assured the community that they are aware of the problem and that they take it very seriously. So why is it still the same issue?
Goody is the first one that actually draws his conclusions and quits EPS. Is that the right answer?
What is the future of ESL? Can they get away with being behind 1.5 - 2 years and is that acceptable as a permanent state of paying out prize money? since the issue is for sure not temporary anymore.

Im not sure what to do. Can you just hope that it will get better eventually? accept that its the way ESL operates? or quitting esl and moving on like GoOdy does?
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
October 30 2012 19:40 GMT
#2
I would not overvalue it, since this basically was a ragequit after going out in round one.
TheBJ
Profile Joined March 2010
Bulgaria906 Posts
October 30 2012 19:42 GMT
#3
ESL are notoriously famous for paying late , at least they always do. If u play in their leagues and tournies you have to plan ahead. And im sure goody knows that...
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krutopatkin
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2612 Posts
October 30 2012 19:50 GMT
#4
On October 31 2012 04:42 TheBJ wrote:
ESL are notoriously famous for paying late , at least they always do. If u play in their leagues and tournies you have to plan ahead. And im sure goody knows that...


He commented on his facebook post that he is waiting for 2 years now.
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
October 30 2012 19:51 GMT
#5
Why is this in the tournament forum?
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
October 30 2012 19:55 GMT
#6
because EPS is a tourney in sc2. Maybe its the wrong logic?
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
October 30 2012 20:01 GMT
#7
We are in the 6th season I believe, and still waiting for the money from the 2nd season, which started in january 2011. I think he has a valid point.
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 30 2012 20:03 GMT
#8
On October 31 2012 05:01 aTnClouD wrote:
We are in the 6th season I believe, and still waiting for the money from the 2nd season, which started in january 2011. I think he has a valid point.

Wait cloud has anyone been paid? I think if people are not getting paid it should be publicised.
Glorious SEA doto
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 20:06:26
October 30 2012 20:04 GMT
#9
As far as I know nobody has been paid since january 2011. I am not 100% sure but I didn't get any money since 1st season and last time I asked my teammates that's what they told me.

Edit: correction, 2nd season ended around march-april 2011, not january.
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TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
October 30 2012 20:05 GMT
#10
he is totally right. I think everyone should boycott ESL leagues until they pay out!
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 20:11:01
October 30 2012 20:07 GMT
#11
Oo,
I think this belong in main not tournaments.
I never liked esl (because their confusing website ^^) but i thought they are one of the few that pay instant.

for the protocol:
Lets learn for the past once!
Lets wait until we hear the whole story.
Save gaming: kill esport
Aulisemia
Profile Joined August 2011
United States123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 20:10:24
October 30 2012 20:08 GMT
#12
People bash the hell out of shady teams like Apex and Eclypsia, time to demand some accountability from tournament organizers as well!
The ponciest ponce that ever ponced past a poncing palour.
balosan
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland232 Posts
October 30 2012 20:10 GMT
#13
On October 31 2012 05:08 Aulisemia wrote:
People bash the hell out of teams like Apex and Eclypsia, time to demand some accountability from tournament organizers as well!


I love how u are hyping drama and directly telling to raise pitchwork, but I agree totally.
Ourk
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom298 Posts
October 30 2012 20:10 GMT
#14
same with EPS UK i have been waiting for like a year and a half for my prizemoney
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
October 30 2012 20:10 GMT
#15
On October 31 2012 04:39 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/GoOdySC2/posts/456217794430567

"Since ESL isnt paying any pricemoney i will quit EPS."



"Price" money is like ESL is for sale and that's how much it costs, or what? :p
Aulisemia
Profile Joined August 2011
United States123 Posts
October 30 2012 20:11 GMT
#16
On October 31 2012 05:10 balosan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 05:08 Aulisemia wrote:
People bash the hell out of teams like Apex and Eclypsia, time to demand some accountability from tournament organizers as well!


I love how u are hyping drama and directly telling to raise pitchwork, but I agree totally.


It's not really hyping so much as pointing out how viewer anger tends to skew in odd directions. I think legitimacy in all aspects of Esports is required for any sort of stable growth after all.
The ponciest ponce that ever ponced past a poncing palour.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 30 2012 20:13 GMT
#17
On October 31 2012 05:07 skeldark wrote:
Oo,
I think this belong in main not tournaments.
I never liked esl (because their confusing website ^^) but i thought they are one of the few that pay instant.

for the protocol:
Lets learn for the past once!
Lets wait until we hear the whole story.

I don't think shit needs to get started, wait until ESL has something to say before we stick them on the cross and burn them all. We have to pros perspective, goody, cloud (And according to him his team mates) and ourk have now complained about ESL not paying so let's wait for the other for once.
But that's no fun BURN THEM ALL TO THE GROUND.
Glorious SEA doto
Satiinifi
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland192 Posts
October 30 2012 20:14 GMT
#18
waiting for eps nordic since 2 years ago, was waiting for esl enc since 3 years ago, got it month ago !!!!! :D
Satiinifi
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland192 Posts
October 30 2012 20:17 GMT
#19
On October 31 2012 05:13 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 05:07 skeldark wrote:
Oo,
I think this belong in main not tournaments.
I never liked esl (because their confusing website ^^) but i thought they are one of the few that pay instant.

for the protocol:
Lets learn for the past once!
Lets wait until we hear the whole story.

I don't think shit needs to get started, wait until ESL has something to say before we stick them on the cross and burn them all. We have to pros perspective, goody, cloud (And according to him his team mates) and ourk have now complained about ESL not paying so let's wait for the other for once.
But that's no fun BURN THEM ALL TO THE GROUND.



ESL has someting to say, their reply always to questions about the delays has been.... "im sorry it will take a little more time" stretching up to 3 years. :D
Sprungjeezy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1313 Posts
October 30 2012 20:19 GMT
#20
Is it just me, or do posts like this "X player says Y" seem kind of like spam. If we cared what the person was doing/saying/whining about, we would follow their twitter/facebook. Now if there was a thread that collaborated all of the players who were upset with ESL's payment schedule or lack of one then it might be interesting to me.
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