EPTGoody quits EPS since ESL isnt paying prize money - Page 2
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Pistoche
Canada127 Posts
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SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
On October 31 2012 05:10 sitromit wrote: "Price" money is like ESL is for sale and that's how much it costs, or what? :p After some research i found out that theres actually a difference between price and prize in english. :D some of us arent native speakers, so for future reference, we talk about prize money :D | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
Edit: also yes this should be in the general section, not tournament section. Generally Tournament section is reserved for actual running of tournaments. General section is for complaining about tournaments. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 31 2012 05:17 Satiinifi wrote: ESL has someting to say, their reply always to questions about the delays has been.... "im sorry it will take a little more time" stretching up to 3 years. :D LET THE LYNCH MOBS COMMENCE. | ||
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Satiinifi
Finland192 Posts
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Probasaur
United States461 Posts
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On October 31 2012 05:20 SpikeStarcraft wrote: After some research i found out that theres actually a difference between price and prize in english. :D some of us arent native speakers, so for future reference, we talk about prize money :D Go4SC2 prizes get paid faster than EPS, and as far as it concerns me I play EPS only because my team wants me to. No other reason for me to do so. | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
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pmp10
3399 Posts
Seriously? And they said IEM was bad. | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On October 31 2012 05:24 Satiinifi wrote: Players dont talk about the prize money in fear of not being paid at all eventually, and players keep playing the tournaments because as far as I can tell the prize moneys are eventually paid out, but it always takes 3+ years. And about go4sc2, atleast I got my money from that in 2-3months. So I guess the problem mainly includes the bigger leagues/tournaments. I don't want to question you, since you are pro living from it, not me, but from my experience earning money out of gaming (which is not that small, since I am 40 years old) I think this is the wrong deceision. One player raging about quitting because of no pay is a thing that might cause a shit storm, that will be forgotten when the next one starts, but will not change much. There are already different pros talking here about the same problem and I think you would be able to do something about it. | ||
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Scarlett`
Korea (South)2399 Posts
On October 31 2012 05:26 pmp10 wrote: 2 years? Seriously? And they said IEM was bad. These are people who do IEMs :D | ||
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soiii
Germany266 Posts
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
On October 31 2012 05:26 pmp10 wrote: 2 years? Seriously? And they said IEM was bad. trying to understand if that was a troll or a dumb post. My brains going explode!!! | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
They are a german company. Just fucking sue them. I bet with you, you dont have to go to court. 1 week after they get the letter from your lawyer you have your money. I cant understand how you can wait so long for your money. If you did not get your product from a shop would you wait years until you do something too? I would call them out on main stage on their own event. Stand their and say: "thanks but i want to have it in cash. you know, you did not pay for last year yet..." IF you wait they will not think: "fuck. next time we pay" they think " nice we can get away with this". | ||
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
IEM on the other hand is better. I have already gotten my prizemoney for IEM Sao Paulo like 2 or 3 months ago (the event was early february 2012) and i think i should get the prizemoney from IEM hannover (that was early march 2012) soon. | ||
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SoniC_eu
Denmark1008 Posts
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
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Thorin
601 Posts
At this point in time I assume they have had a number of money leaks/sponsor problems which mean they are locked in a never-ending cycle of paying old debts with new money, which to be fair is a somewhat common problem amongst esports tournament organisers, because otherwise the only explanation I can see is gross incompetence, which definitely shouldn't be ruled out. To give some simple examples, for game communities which are really small like CS:Source some of them say they haven't been paid for small cups etc. from many years ago, further back than these SC2 EPS tournaments. More disturbing is that in March of 2012 the IEM champions of 2010 in their lead game, who won the title in March of 2010, still hadn't received the bulk of their prize money from that 2010 win. From my perspective the real issue here isn't the players not complaining/taking action, it's that ESL themselves haven't taken the appropriate action. The only way this kind of thing will stop is if big tournament organisers actually sue/seek legal action against big sponsors who promise a lot of money for a tournament and then don't pay. Perhaps they don't seek such action because they are afraid to scare off sponsors, in which case esports isn't as viable as they are pretending and we should accept that IMO, or perhaps the sponsor comes back with their own compromise, based on liquidity issues, and says they'll sponsor another tournament and pay it back in future. Whatever the reasons the problem needs to be nipped in the bud where it begins. All of which doesn't justify the fact ESL habitually lies and claims they think the money is coming any minute, that they don't know it will be months and months or years and years. It also looks really bad that the teams with the best pattern of hassling ESL seem to get their money before others do, making it all look like a game of shuffling money around to the grease the squeakiest wheels. | ||
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SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
i think the main problem is that esl has a lot of debt. I dunno.. if you add it up, all eps seasons for all countries since 2011. it could possibly be like 25,000 to 50,000 € aproximately. (just my own estimate, you could actually look up all the eps seasons and add up the price money. If you sue them and force them to pay the money, i guess chances are quite high that they go bankrupt and nobody gets any money at all. | ||
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