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On October 31 2012 06:23 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 06:12 DarKFoRcE wrote:On October 31 2012 05:57 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
I think it is justifiable to sue esl, i mean team alternate has all their player in eps, if they got to court together, i dont see how they can lose the trial.
i think the main problem is that esl has a lot of debt. I dunno.. if you add it up, all eps seasons for all countries since 2011. it could possibly be like 25,000 to 50,000 € aproximately. (just my own estimate, you could actually look up all the eps seasons and add up the price money.
If you sue them and force them to pay the money, i guess chances are quite high that they go bankrupt and nobody gets any money at all. ESL has ALOT more debt than that ^^ To be perfectly precise, they owed € 2.806.775,86 (2010)€ 2.909.653,04 (2009) € 3.361.001,87 (2008) At least, it seems like their situation is getting better. sourceedit: Obviously that's not only prize money. As a matter of fact pretty much all of it is debt from other sources.
At least by 2030 when Sc7 is released, they will have gotten rid of all their debt :D
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He should really expand more on this with details, if he throws it out there.
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I think this is pretty serious and has been going on for far too long, so everyone please pay attention:
Price is the cost of a product, like a book, or a car, or a house. "The price of this book is too high."
Prize is an award, like when you win a tournament. "The prize for first place was 100 euro."
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When you get ESL prize money, you know you will get a money boost when you are old and grumpy. Which is quiet nice if you realize that when you are old your country won't have enough young people to pay for your living.
But no need to raise anything as this problem is well known.
And without them we would have nothing here. Well right now TakeTV.
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On October 31 2012 06:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
He should really expand more on this with details, if he throws it out there.
Who?
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On October 31 2012 06:45 Starshaped wrote:
I think this is pretty serious and has been going on for far too long, so everyone please pay attention:
Price is the cost of a product, like a book, or a car, or a house. "The price of this book is too high."
Prize is an award, like when you win a tournament. "The prize for first place was 100 euro."
Tssk, silly Brits, we Germans have the same word for both.
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On October 31 2012 06:47 Atrimex wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 06:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
He should really expand more on this with details, if he throws it out there. Who?
GoOdy obviously...
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On October 31 2012 06:47 Atrimex wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 06:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
He should really expand more on this with details, if he throws it out there. Who?
Goody?
Amounts, timelines, previous communication.
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On October 31 2012 06:40 DarKFoRcE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 06:28 Pyloss wrote:
That´s hurt the EPS. I mean, this seasion is running right now, and in this time, the 4. EPS cup is live, with 700 € Prize money. And all this money won't be paid out in 3 years. Such a shame for the German Players.
And i think that GoOdy did the right thing. I hope that we can see him more often, never the less! THe money gets paid out in roughly 1.5 years, not 3. lets not be unfair 
So you got or others got the money from the season in 2011? If not, 2 years are okay, if you see it from todays point of view.
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I think it's well known that esl really takes a long time to pay their prize money.
Especially EPS, like 3 years unpaid money lol
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On October 31 2012 06:45 Starshaped wrote:
I think this is pretty serious and has been going on for far too long, so everyone please pay attention:
Price is the cost of a product, like a book, or a car, or a house. "The price of this book is too high."
Prize is an award, like when you win a tournament. "The prize for first place was 100 euro."
Do I have to feel ashamed when I say that I just learned a new thing today?
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Ah, i think as long as ESL is paying after a while (even 6 months is okay) i don´t think this is the right decision by goody, otherwise i understand him very good.
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On October 31 2012 06:48 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 06:45 Starshaped wrote:
I think this is pretty serious and has been going on for far too long, so everyone please pay attention:
Price is the cost of a product, like a book, or a car, or a house. "The price of this book is too high."
Prize is an award, like when you win a tournament. "The prize for first place was 100 euro." Tssk, silly Brits, we Germans have the same word for both.
So do we Swedes, but we're all speaking English here, so let's try to get it right, please.
In fact, I was the guy who got the Zotac site admins to change 'price' to 'prize' on their homepage ^_^''
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On October 31 2012 06:49 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 06:47 Atrimex wrote:On October 31 2012 06:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
He should really expand more on this with details, if he throws it out there. Who? Goody? Amounts, timelines, previous communication.
Why? He is not playing EPS anymore because they didnt paid the prize money for any EPS-Season since 2 years. Nothing more need to be said.
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No, Goody doesnt have to tell more details, that info is clear enough to follow his decision. Darkforce, Cloud and Satiini seem to understand 100% about Goody's decision.
Only the community wants more details. There are some things what the community doesnt need to understand.
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On October 31 2012 07:02 Dingodile wrote:
No, Goody doesnt have to tell more details, that info is clear enough to follow his decision. Darkforce, Cloud and Satiini seem to understand 100% about Goody's decision.
Only the community wants more details. There are some things what the community doesnt need to understand.
Why exactly? there are many tournements from esl.
Would be intresting for the community to know that there is a good chance they dont get their money if they win.
I have the feeling some people here forget that this is a gameing community not a proplayer fanbase website.
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On October 31 2012 07:02 Dingodile wrote:
No, Goody doesnt have to tell more details, that info is clear enough to follow his decision. Darkforce, Cloud and Satiini seem to understand 100% about Goody's decision.
Only the community wants more details. There are some things what the community doesnt need to understand.
if they dont want to tell the details then they really dont need to say anything. dont badmouth someone and then refuse to give details.
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Haha understandable by Goody. When I was in ESC our teammanager even told us to not attend certain tournies because he said they will never be able to pay up anyway. Its not just ESL, its happening all over the place. Sry to say, but "esports" is mostly a fuckin illusion. Its an industry barely scraping by, with pretty much everybody trying to screw over everybody and the poor players are usually the most gullible ones so guess who ends up at the short end of the stick most of the time? Korea is still miles ahead in this regard afaik, at least they were with BW. But with all the recent drama coming out of korea and players joining foreign teams (would NEVER have happened in BW) its a fairly safe bet to say that things arent like they used to be in Korea as well.
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You cannot get blood from a stone. I think that the reason they do not pay out is because they do not have the money. It's not like E-Sports is really all that lucrative at the moment, they likely spent more money in their earlier stages then they could afford at the time in anticipation of the growth of E-Sports which never really happened. They then had to adjust back, and are paying out prize pools as fast as they can even though they are in the red for about 200k Euros according to an earlier post.
If they are sued for a large amount, they will likely declare bankruptcy as they are already in dept, their assets are mostly comprised of their brand image and the network and connections that have been built up of fans/sponsers, all things that cannot be liquidated. Good luck to the players getting priority over any other lenders in the event that they go bankrupt.
If they do go bankrupt then they essentially lose any value that they had, and there will likely be no money left for the players at all. Suing them is actually a pretty selfish thing to do, as it inherently destroys their core assets.
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