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FlaminGinjaNinja
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom879 Posts
October 10 2012 16:31 GMT
#41
Like most things when you do it for a long time you get used to it. I think my average is 140 but I just don't notice, but my Bronze friends who cruse at a steady 28 say they can't do it any faster, and yet if they play more their APM goes up natuarally without them realising.

Your hands/ wrists will hurt because you are forcing it, you'll see the results faster and get used to the pain after a while
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Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
October 10 2012 16:33 GMT
#42
On October 11 2012 00:33 pprrii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 00:23 illidan333 wrote:
VIBE has 500-600

He is Zerg? Its a little bugged for Zerg, because of rally "spam" (zerg bind production units into army hotkey) and zzzzz thing.



No it isn't. Stop spreading this bullshit please.

Holding down buttons doesn't inflate your apm.
ComBro1
Profile Joined March 2011
80 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 16:48:37
October 10 2012 16:47 GMT
#43
Back when I first heard about tapping and was trying to increase my apm, I played as fast as I could for a game, and got tired. I would max out sometimes at 400 or so, but in the end average 150 just because I couldn't handle it all the time. I now average around 200, up to 225 if im feeling particularly tryhard-ish. The point is, do it every now and then, but know that apm is just a tool, and that the really fast players are thinking faster, not just playing faster than the slower ones. Give it time, and your hands will hurt less, I promise!
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
October 10 2012 16:50 GMT
#44
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10734
Profile Joined September 2012
340 Posts
October 10 2012 16:51 GMT
#45
On October 11 2012 01:33 Glurkenspurk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 00:33 pprrii wrote:
On October 11 2012 00:23 illidan333 wrote:
VIBE has 500-600

He is Zerg? Its a little bugged for Zerg, because of rally "spam" (zerg bind production units into army hotkey) and zzzzz thing.



No it isn't. Stop spreading this bullshit please.

Holding down buttons doesn't inflate your apm.


Yeah it does? Test it in a game vs the ai. Building 60 supply of zerglings gave me a 1000 apm peak (regular apm in replay). It was for a very short time so I'm not sure how much it influences your average apm, but it isn't bullshit.
shark.
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
593 Posts
October 10 2012 17:09 GMT
#46
On October 11 2012 01:51 10734 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 01:33 Glurkenspurk wrote:
On October 11 2012 00:33 pprrii wrote:
On October 11 2012 00:23 illidan333 wrote:
VIBE has 500-600

He is Zerg? Its a little bugged for Zerg, because of rally "spam" (zerg bind production units into army hotkey) and zzzzz thing.



No it isn't. Stop spreading this bullshit please.

Holding down buttons doesn't inflate your apm.


Yeah it does? Test it in a game vs the ai. Building 60 supply of zerglings gave me a 1000 apm peak (regular apm in replay). It was for a very short time so I'm not sure how much it influences your average apm, but it isn't bullshit.


It does count towards apm but contributes a tiny amount to your overall apm otherwise every zerg player would be walking around with 500 apm simply from building units.
sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
October 10 2012 17:23 GMT
#47
Honestly having high APM eventually becomes second-nature. Now that I've had around 300+ for years if you include BW times, I almost can't imagine how the heck I ever got along without it. I usually play 20+ games a day all at consistent speed.
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Falllen
Profile Joined October 2012
Canada5 Posts
October 10 2012 17:24 GMT
#48
I average around 200 APM, my hand us to hurt when i would just spam at the start of the game, over time you develop more endurance in your hand thus you can hit more keys faster. Keep practicing that's the key GLHF!
wcr.4fun
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium686 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 17:32:45
October 10 2012 17:27 GMT
#49
this thread... practice harder and train. You can't run 10 miles without feeling pain if you don't have any condition. This is exactly the same.

'how can marathon runners run at average speeds of 20 kmh for 60 km's and then swim for 5 km and bike for X kilometers?'
because they trained for it.

And if you experience pain when playing with low apm, consult a doctor or examine possible problems with chair/keyboard/mouse etc.
Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
October 10 2012 17:27 GMT
#50
Check how you sit. Sitting badly and having your arms at weird angles can cause pain when playing.
sickkungen
Profile Joined July 2012
Sweden179 Posts
October 10 2012 17:31 GMT
#51
On October 11 2012 01:08 illidan333 wrote:
Does everybody have the pain at the same place ?
[image loading]

I'm sorry but I've played Starcraft for 10 years and never had pain on any of the places you are referring to in the image..
What?
Butterednuts
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
October 10 2012 17:33 GMT
#52
Much like any muscle, the more you do it the better you'll be at doing it.
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imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1377 Posts
October 10 2012 17:49 GMT
#53
On October 11 2012 01:20 Yorbon wrote:
I'm certainly not an expert, but i noticed some things during play about this subject. Now, i don't know in what way you hand exactly hurts, so i could be totally wrong.

I play classical piano for a long time, and when studying hard parts it is possible to not notice how your 'stance' changes into a very cramped one. For example you hold your shoulders way higher than you're supposed to. After a while, you arm will hurt. The same with your fingers: when practicing a piece were you need your fingers to be spread wide, your fingers might hurt a lot; not because they are spread too far, but because you don't relax you fingers enough.

I understand the urge to be faster and that you have different techniques you accomplish that. But the advice i'd like to give is to be aware of your hand's state during practice. If it isn't relaxed, relax for a while (could be a few minutes, or longer) and then try again.

I don't know if this will help. It helped me during piano practice as well as gaming (sc2 or osu).

i wish i wouldve known about that when i was trying to become a pro ;;
Swazi
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11 Posts
October 10 2012 17:51 GMT
#54
I think people need to focus less on having high APM and more on doing what needs to be done. I've gotten to mid - high masters with about 100 average EPM. I usually only have about 40-50 EMP in the early game because there isn't much to be done when the game is just starting out. Then it slowly increasses as more APM is necessary to do all the actions that are needed. I also spam very little usualy having aroun a 10-15% redundency between EMP and APM. Not sure if spamming for 200-300 apm is really worth it.
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ImustnotfeaR
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom154 Posts
October 10 2012 17:51 GMT
#55
everyones hand has different limits - thats why some people become concert pianists and some do not
'Fear is the mind killer'
GregMandel
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
France822 Posts
October 10 2012 17:52 GMT
#56
I'm plat and average 150 apm and 95 Eapm or w/e you call it, and I tend to feel some pain in the left wrist ( keyboard hand ).

I think my pain is due to my bad hand placement, for instance I always Use the hotkeys 1, 2, 3 for OC, Rax and Starports/Factory when I play T and Hatch, Infestors/Mutas, main army when I play Z, so my hand is placed at a bad spot, but i can't seem to be able to play with the classic OC/Hatch on 5 and army on 1.

So if you have tips on how to get rid of the old way and get better at using 5 for hatch/OC then i'll take it
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
October 10 2012 17:53 GMT
#57
On October 11 2012 02:31 sickkungen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 01:08 illidan333 wrote:
Does everybody have the pain at the same place ?
[image loading]

I'm sorry but I've played Starcraft for 10 years and never had pain on any of the places you are referring to in the image..
What?


If you have pain in that part of your mouse hand, your DPI is far too high. Drop to half or a quarter.
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SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
October 10 2012 17:59 GMT
#58
I play at around 200-250 APM and honestly writing notes for school gives me more cramps and pains than playing for hours. I can't speak for problems in years to come though.
Share_The_Land
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada152 Posts
October 10 2012 18:01 GMT
#59
On October 11 2012 00:26 illidan333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 00:23 wo1fwood wrote:
Part of what you need to learn in spamming APM is not just improving your speed, but reducing the force necessary to complete those tasks. I would guess that your hand is becomming fatigued much more so and faster because when you spam, your hand becomes tense and that your motor movements are using waaaay to much force.


So 200 APM of spamming tired more than 200 APM of real game logic ?


I'll admit I haven't read the entire thread so I apologize if this has been said, but if this is becoming a serious problem to ANYONE they should see a doctor. I play with an average of 100+ APM. I spam lots in early game and then usually my natural macro/micro will keep me on a steady 100-125 once the game has been somewhat established. I personally find I can play easily for 8 hours a day without any serious hand cramping/pain. I do take several breaks throughout, but still play quite constantly.

My brother on the other hand has around the same APM if not a tiny bit higher, and he literally gets pains within the first few games even if they are short. He then went to the doctor and then had to be referred to an Osteopath and needs to go for regular appointments and do several home treatments. One of the treatments involves submersing your entire arm into extremely hot water and then alternating with icy cold water. I think I don't have to convince you that you don't want to have to do this every day just to play SC2 or use your wrist a lot.

So basically my point is if you have any bothersome pain, PLEASE get it looked at! It may be too late if you wait too long like my brother and then have to do daily treatments to do something you love.
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rezzan
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden329 Posts
October 10 2012 18:18 GMT
#60
the thing about apm is..

people think about this to much ,like its game breaking..

you can sit on 200 apm and still lose against a terran /protoss with around 40-70 apm..

but i digress.

i play zerg and the thing i did with my apm practice was.. I completely stopped spaming in the beginning of every match i played.

i only did the necessary clicks that i have to do, so by doing so i easily could see what my apm was and see when it got higher , and it felt only natural doing so.

when i started get better after a few weeks i was about 70 apm, i started at 50apm.

now few years later and in higher league i am around 150-170 apm in every match i play ,simply because ive practiced alot without the spaming and knowing what to do..

this is something i recommend and it really feels alot better than constantly spaming at start when you really dont need to ,right? it can hurt your hands like OP said.
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