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Ender2701
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States581 Posts
October 10 2012 18:21 GMT
#61
My hands hurt when I play many games in a row as well playing at ~200ish APM. A lot of it is less repetitive though after the beginning of the game, this is especially true for toss ( main), less so for zerg/terran. When I play a lot of terran my hands hurt a lot more. If I rest and don't play much for a week or two though, the pain is a lot less present.

Doing the hand stretches day9 describes in one of his dailies, and also trying to keep your wrists up when playing helps (this is what you're told to do while playing piano too).
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 18:25:26
October 10 2012 18:24 GMT
#62


This can help a lot.
Day9 had a video going over very similar exercises.
If you never stretch and start doing these, it may hurt for the first few days, but you should notice great improvements over time.
phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
October 10 2012 18:32 GMT
#63
I float around 270 average apm and i dont have any pain O_O.
SidewinderSC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United States236 Posts
October 10 2012 18:35 GMT
#64
I have around 130 APM as Mid/High Masters Protoss. I think APM is overrated. Most of "APM" is more mental than physical - your brain being able to keep up with what is going on.

Spamming and doing silly stuff with your hands during battles or other idle time kind of seems like a waste to me. And most importantly, I am sure the OP is not a pro player, so they should be seeking ways to have more fun with the game rather than hurting themselves for a mostly cosmetic effect. 200 APM is cool, but only if you actually make it meaningful.
Genpow
Profile Joined November 2010
United States41 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 18:42:21
October 10 2012 18:40 GMT
#65
This thread is making my brain hurt O_o

Stop spamming for the sake of high apm and repeat your build 100 times on the same map and you too will have super high apm oh and i bet your wrist wouldn't hurt as much
kill619
Profile Joined December 2011
United States212 Posts
October 10 2012 18:42 GMT
#66


If playing is causing you pain looking into the ergonomics of your setup where you play will decrease the main more effectively than,"just play more and get use to it", or "do some stretches". Your wrist and hands aren't meant to be forced into cramped and/or crooked positions for long periods of time and if your going out of your way to play faster it's very possible your changing the way your hands are positioned on your mouse and keyboard to achieve a higher apm. Keeping your wrist straight by keeping your mouse and keyboard at comfortable distances, having the height of your chair keep your forearms(while arms are bent) even with the height of your equipment to prevent your wrist from angling upward/downward etc. I'd recommend just googling "ergonomics" and messing with your set up to see if it makes you more comfortable and stops some of your pain before you rush off to a doctor or start thinking that your not meant to play that fast.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
October 10 2012 18:45 GMT
#67
i have ~380 apm home and NO problem, and my hand hurts with 120 at friends place ...
most importent thing is the HIGH OF YOUR TABLE it must be perfect with your chair and your high then you will not have any problems at all (also how far away is best how you hold your hands etc its just personal preferences)
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IndyStarCraft
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland2486 Posts
October 10 2012 18:45 GMT
#68
when you feel pain its when you are pushing ur limits
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oZe
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden492 Posts
October 10 2012 18:48 GMT
#69
I can play sc2 all day BUT when I practice my mouse accuracy. I tense up and get tired very much faster. You gotta watch these things.

When I bought my steelseries SX mousemat. I noticed that I was using my mouse like I was sandpapering. Very hard downward pressure. Once I noticed and corrected ALL my problems of mouse arm/hand disappeared.

I think you are doing the same thing but with your keyboard hand. Like some people before me suggested. I would also suggest that you perform stretching with your hand/fingers before, sometimes during & after you play. Carpal tunnel is no joke once you get it.

Ps. I even use hard drive packaging to rest my left elbow on because I play so much ^^
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Vermiiifuuge
Profile Joined August 2012
Korea (South)112 Posts
October 10 2012 18:55 GMT
#70
There is absolutely no need for needless tapping/APM-spam. If you're doing it to keep taps on stuff, you're just compensating for your lack of keeping track of the timings in your head (which is a given if you practice any given build somewhat elaborately).
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 19:09:28
October 10 2012 18:57 GMT
#71
haha, i'm interested in this pain you all describe.
pain in the fingers/actual wrists?

i don't get that for some reason yet it makes sense.
what i do get after hours an hours without break or rest is soreness closer to the elbow and upper arm.
i wish i could use my wrist as a pivot more, but the amount of control i get from it isn't something i really like,
that's really just -my- flaw.

what really amps me up though is when i really want to win a game a certain way.
all those try-hard actions suddenly appear out of nowhere.

for a gauge, i don't remember ever feeling any left-handed pains when playing,
but i used to play 30-60 games a day, quite mouse and keyboard balanced when it comes to emphasis (manual unit pathing, selection practice, etc) at 180-240 in-game apm. the arm soreness would come after those 30-40 games and would be comparable to playing badminton for a couple hours without stretching or being in good form (simply put, that feeling is horrendous, it feels like your arm is beginning to tear out).

in hindsight, that was foolish of me. i really recommend some stretching and the mental focus so you don't over-exert yourself. it is a stressful game, but try not to let it show through in your own gameplay.

i now try to play a lot slower but unfortunately a lot of small things slip by me (style related) and that's stressful mentally, haha.
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
October 10 2012 18:57 GMT
#72
Make sure you're sitting properly as well, with everything at an ideal height/angle for optimum usage. This includes making sure your monitor is slightly tilted, your keyboard is at the perfect height for continued usage etc.
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MarkT34
Profile Joined October 2011
United States111 Posts
October 10 2012 18:59 GMT
#73
Buy one of these thing, called fixed resistance grips. When you don't anticipate any high stress hand activities, do as a lot of reps. Also, work your forearm by doing things like wrist curls.

Progaming teams make their players exercise regularly so that this doesn't happen.
TapetalKarma
Profile Joined May 2011
United States127 Posts
October 10 2012 19:04 GMT
#74
your apm should not be focused on spam man no offence but your going about improving it the wrong way. pros dont win games cuz they hit 132412341234 alot. if u do your usual stuff just try to switch to something else after your inital action faster . I.E if u make a factory and then usually switch to a scout or to another scv work on making the transition between hitting the scv to build factory and switching to whatever else you want. spamming will not help that
achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
October 10 2012 19:05 GMT
#75
I don't really know, you get used to it I guess?
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Whitley
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States238 Posts
October 10 2012 19:18 GMT
#76
On October 11 2012 03:57 renaissanceMAN wrote:
Make sure you're sitting properly as well, with everything at an ideal height/angle for optimum usage. This includes making sure your monitor is slightly tilted, your keyboard is at the perfect height for continued usage etc.


This!

Seriously I sit at a computer all day at wok and I also play alot of starcraft. I think it really comes down to proper posture. and correct desk height and also some physical activity outside of the computer chair.
Trusty
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand520 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 19:27:21
October 10 2012 19:26 GMT
#77
I'm 26, spent my years playing lots of computer games.

It's why most of them are suffering wrist/hand related injuries in their late 20's and early 30's.
It's extremely bad for you to do what 'team houses' do. Yet we all do it, I did it at university (spend endless endless hours in the pc bang).

You can sit at the correct height, have the correct posture, but at the end of the day it doesn't help for playing games. Your force your left hand to do tasks that should be done with a combination of hands.
You will have overuse on whatever you use to push shift/ctrl/alt.

Wrists were not designed to do these extreme micro movements over and over for 12hours+ a day. You pay the price eventually.

I've been lucky to avoid carpal tunnel myself, but I have onset of pain much more quickly now in my left pinky (ctrl/shift) and right index (mouse1) fingers than when I was 20 (which I wouldn't feel any pain at all really...).

The generic keyboard itself is terrible for gaming, but it's just such a standard tool that it will never change. We can hope, though.
GohgamX
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1096 Posts
October 10 2012 19:30 GMT
#78
I'm luck enough to never have sustained any serious wrist injury but I can understand how it can happen in eSports Hopefully with modern keyboards and mice this problem ceases to exist.
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imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1366 Posts
October 10 2012 19:48 GMT
#79
On October 11 2012 02:51 ImustnotfeaR wrote:
everyones hand has different limits - thats why some people become concert pianists and some do not

no

you become concert pianist if you practise playing piano every day, starting at a very young age.
you do not become concert pianist if you dont practise every day.
TapetalKarma
Profile Joined May 2011
United States127 Posts
October 10 2012 19:51 GMT
#80
On October 11 2012 04:48 imperator-xy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 02:51 ImustnotfeaR wrote:
everyones hand has different limits - thats why some people become concert pianists and some do not

no

you become concert pianist if you practise playing piano every day, starting at a very young age.
you do not become concert pianist if you dont practise every day.


its funny you say that because im a concert pianist and ive only been playing for 3 years and i practice 2 days of the week
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