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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
Some advice: Concentrate on what your fingers are doing at different times of the game, not just the beginning spam fest. Use all 4 or 5 of the fingers on your left hand so every finger is doing work. Pay attention to your mouse hand. Day 9 describes how it should be. Don't tense up. | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On October 11 2012 02:51 Swazi wrote: I think people need to focus less on having high APM and more on doing what needs to be done. I've gotten to mid - high masters with about 100 average EPM. I usually only have about 40-50 EMP in the early game because there isn't much to be done when the game is just starting out. Then it slowly increasses as more APM is necessary to do all the actions that are needed. I also spam very little usualy having aroun a 10-15% redundency between EMP and APM. Not sure if spamming for 200-300 apm is really worth it. How many pros don't spam? None. I'm not thrilled about it, but spam helps you to play and think faster. Back in 2002-2004 when I played a lot of BW I was in the same mindset -- I would not spam, spamming is stupid. Now I spam, and I play better because of it. Spam is useless at first, but more and more you're able to convert that apm into eapm. 100 EAPM is enough to do fine if you're not a pro, but you're going to limit yourself eventually. I'll never be a pro, but I'm much better than I was before I spammed. | ||
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Pisko.
United States214 Posts
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
Other than that... Improvement comes from grinding games. It really is that simple. The more you play the game, the more comfortable you will become with it. | ||
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xHadoken
United States171 Posts
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xHQx
Russian Federation601 Posts
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1st_Panzer_Div.
United States621 Posts
On October 11 2012 00:12 illidan333 wrote: How Losira could play like 20 game per day with this crazy APM , when I can even play 2-3 game with max spamming. He doesn't he plays more like 40 games a day I believe. Pretty sure ~20 games is around where Incontrol has stated he plays on average, and he openly admits he is pursuing casting/PR activities moreso than when he was only a player. | ||
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Oblivion753
United States73 Posts
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Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
I am a high masters player on EU (haven't played much last year though but enough to keep the rank) and I'm averaging 190-200 SC2 apm. I can play like this for 8h so you probably have hurt writsts in some way or have extremely weak wrist muscles :p | ||
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wcr.4fun
Belgium686 Posts
On October 11 2012 04:51 TapetalKarma wrote: its funny you say that because im a concert pianist and ive only been playing for 3 years and i practice 2 days of the week nice a concert pianist. you must be amazing. | ||
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TheGreenMachine
United States730 Posts
Best way to increase apm is playing faster than is comfortable for a few games, then playing a few with controlled comfortable speed. Make sure sometimes you are stressing yourself otherwise you will not get better as quickly. Think of it as dif kinds of workouts, you have long distance, shorter distance faster pace, interval workouts ect. All to improve 1 skill which is your "race pace" of an sc2 tournament. No one ever became the best basketball player in the world by only playing basketball and not working out, doing drills, going over plays. No one became the best 1 miler in the world by only doing the 1 mile, he does his share of long distance, sprints, interval and many dif workouts to improve the 1 race. | ||
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zakmaa
Canada525 Posts
Dedication, practice, consistency and time. | ||
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BioTech
Australia264 Posts
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
Just take some piano lessons and learn how to hold your hands while playing it! | ||
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Messi
United States212 Posts
After watching that vid, i watched MC's warming up hands looool that was funny. Anyway, if it's hurting, try less spamming, that would work. | ||
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Allscorpion
United Kingdom319 Posts
On October 11 2012 00:12 illidan333 wrote: Hi, I'm a very slow player and I really try to improve that. I used a smurf account in Europe and my only goal with this account is to focus on my APM, with spamming and tapping method (I'm terran). I think if I force myself to do the tapping during battle and during the time I macro, I will improve my action and mechanic. If you don't know what is tapping + Show Spoiler + After one week I already see result, I keep my money low and i'm more focus in the game, ect ... But I have a problem, after some games with intense spamming my hand hurt. Don't worry after 1 day of rest I recover. I just don't understand how it's possible for progamers to play 20 game per day with a 150-200 APM everygame. They are not tired after 3 games ??? For exemple, I'm a very big fan of Kawaiirice and in this replay he has a APM around 200 and same thing for Flash ( a BW hero) http://drop.sc/178342 Just look Losira's hand How Losira could play like 20 game per day with this crazy APM , when I can even play 2-3 game with max spamming. I hears that Korean train a lot to this game !!!! But does it means they play even if their hand, arm hurt ? I know it's the case for player like Flash and MVP, but not for all the players ? Someone told me the Gym could help me to reduce or remove all the hand hurt ? + Show Spoiler + Sorry english is not my first language thank Having the correct posture and doing streches on your wrists in between games is essential if you want to play many games, although you should allready know this because its in the same day 9 daily which u linked. | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
Basically listen to him : + Show Spoiler + On October 11 2012 00:40 wonnaplay wrote: As that Day9 guy explains in his video, about the 'Golden bone' is absolutely necessary for a stable hand. This is what I tell users which experience RSI at my work aswell and have been doing this for the past 10 years. You should only use that little bone while moving your mouse. Furthermore, your hand position compared to the keyboard should be so that you don't get complaints on your wrist. It differs per person, but try and change the height and placement of your keyboard while gaming. Your wrist should lean on the desk aswell for more endurance (just like with the mouse). Chair/Desk height will also be a factor in this scenario, so test the differences in height with your desk chair (assuming your desk chair is adjustable). For an overall good experience you will need to test your own style, for what feels good for you. I.E. some users like to have their keyboard almost vertical, and some users need it to be mainly horizontal. Try some of this stuff and see with which setting your hand doesn't hurt. The reason that pro-gamers can play all day is because their hands are on the desk as if it is natural for them. I've been playing RTS on a decent level for years (Red alert 2, CnC3, now Sc2) and I work all day with a computer, so for me it is really important I don't have wrist and/or hand problems after a while of gaming. At work and at home my setup is practically the same, it also differs alot from my colleagues, but it works for me. Find out which 'setup' works for you and get used to it. After this you can try and spam APM without getting wrist/hand problems after 1 or 2 games. You shouldn't force yourself with difficulties on your hands, because that may result in getting RSI, which is a gamer's worst nightmare. I do believe though that you need your arm positioning horizontally. I don't believe having it vertically is good because of the blood circulation (the most important thing if you don't want to get hurt). So yeah you need a chair where you can lie down your elbows. I've been playing a lot of games in BW and i've never been hurt (read 12 years).  | ||
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WonnaPlay
Netherlands912 Posts
On October 11 2012 08:32 RaiZ wrote: 2 pages and only 1 post worth reading. Everything is just bullshit or false answers that has NOTHING to do with the OP. I'm really getting tired of this shit... Basically listen to him : + Show Spoiler + On October 11 2012 00:40 wonnaplay wrote: As that Day9 guy explains in his video, about the 'Golden bone' is absolutely necessary for a stable hand. This is what I tell users which experience RSI at my work aswell and have been doing this for the past 10 years. You should only use that little bone while moving your mouse. Furthermore, your hand position compared to the keyboard should be so that you don't get complaints on your wrist. It differs per person, but try and change the height and placement of your keyboard while gaming. Your wrist should lean on the desk aswell for more endurance (just like with the mouse). Chair/Desk height will also be a factor in this scenario, so test the differences in height with your desk chair (assuming your desk chair is adjustable). For an overall good experience you will need to test your own style, for what feels good for you. I.E. some users like to have their keyboard almost vertical, and some users need it to be mainly horizontal. Try some of this stuff and see with which setting your hand doesn't hurt. The reason that pro-gamers can play all day is because their hands are on the desk as if it is natural for them. I've been playing RTS on a decent level for years (Red alert 2, CnC3, now Sc2) and I work all day with a computer, so for me it is really important I don't have wrist and/or hand problems after a while of gaming. At work and at home my setup is practically the same, it also differs alot from my colleagues, but it works for me. Find out which 'setup' works for you and get used to it. After this you can try and spam APM without getting wrist/hand problems after 1 or 2 games. You shouldn't force yourself with difficulties on your hands, because that may result in getting RSI, which is a gamer's worst nightmare. I do believe though that you need your arm positioning horizontally. I don't believe having it vertically is good because of the blood circulation (the most important thing if you don't want to get hurt). So yeah you need a chair where you can lie down your elbows. I've been playing a lot of games in BW and i've never been hurt (read 12 years). Very true, I kind of phrased that wrongly. Getting the keyboard vertical can't be good for your hand. What I should've said is changing the keyboard in a 'x' degrees. With 'almost vertically' I bassicly ment rotating the keyboard almost 180 degrees. For an example; whenever I play I change my keyboard for about 20 degrees so that my whole arm can relax on the desktop while having my fingers on the appropriate keys, without having my hand in an ackward position Glad atleast someone saw my post, was wondering if everyone just spammed nonsense or was actually trying to be productive | ||
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