Hi, I'm a very slow player and I really try to improve that. I used a smurf account in Europe and my only goal with this account is to focus on my APM, with spamming and tapping method (I'm terran). I think if I force myself to do the tapping during battle and during the time I macro, I will improve my action and mechanic.
After one week I already see result, I keep my money low and i'm more focus in the game, ect ...
But I have a problem, after some games with intense spamming my hand hurt. Don't worry after 1 day of rest I recover.
I just don't understand how it's possible for progamers to play 20 game per day with a 150-200 APM everygame. They are not tired after 3 games ???
For exemple, I'm a very big fan of Kawaiirice and in this replay he has a APM around 200 and same thing for Flash ( a BW hero) http://drop.sc/178342
Just look Losira's hand
How Losira could play like 20 game per day with this crazy APM , when I can even play 2-3 game with max spamming.
I hears that Korean train a lot to this game !!!! But does it means they play even if their hand, arm hurt ? I know it's the case for player like Flash and MVP, but not for all the players ?
Someone told me the Gym could help me to reduce or remove all the hand hurt ?
Please, I don't want to talk about: I don't need APM to win games but rather how it's possible that progamers can play with high APM ?
at least for me the spam is only present early in the game, as the game progresses the spam disappears and you execute only the necessary clicks at a speed faster than normal, but slower than spam. dont think any1 actually 512321351231231321321321454213213412's there way through games.
Yeah, you get that after a while, APM goes to ridiculous amounts when you hardcore spam, but 200 APM is pretty standard for most pros. Of course there's always exceptions at both ends, White Ra hovers around 108, and VIBE has been known to reach 500-600.
Myself personally, once I get warmed up a few games, I average around 120-130 APM.
Part of what you need to learn in spamming APM is not just improving your speed, but reducing the force necessary to complete those tasks. I would guess that your hand is becomming fatigued much more so and faster because when you spam, your hand becomes tense and that your motor movements are using waaaay to much force. Part of dexterity and speed is only using the force necessary to complete what task you are doing.
Musicians learn to do this at an early stage, but the application is something SC players need to be aware of as well. While working on your speed, but be mindful that you aren't tensing your hand up at all, and that you are only using the necessary force to active the switch/keys. Losira's hand movements will make more sense with that in mind.
On October 11 2012 00:23 wo1fwood wrote: Part of what you need to learn in spamming APM is not just improving your speed, but reducing the force necessary to complete those tasks. I would guess that your hand is becomming fatigued much more so and faster because when you spam, your hand becomes tense and that your motor movements are using waaaay to much force.
So 200 APM of spamming tired more than 200 APM of real game logic ?
could you describe where exactly your hand is hurting? maybe you just need to do some stretching or a doctor can help you.
if stretching or a doctor dont help, you will have to play with low apm. having higher apm for the sake of having higher apm objectively gives you no advantage in the game. you could just learn to stay focused without spamming.
my hand used to hurt when i played sc:bw, so i was happy for sc2 to be released.
I am puzzled by this as well, especially with those BW pros playing 50 games a day with 400 apm, I read somewhere that most of them have fucked up hands after their careers. I wonder how they last so long lol.
Pro's spam to stay in the flow of being fast, but you shouldn't spam just to gain a high apm. The goal is to be good, to be good you have to be able to react fast and do multiple things in a very short timespan (such as base management, army movement, unit positioning - the works). However, if you spam random buttons to attain a high apm you are not playing good.
Start out slow by focusing on single tasks and then in subsequent games start to add more tasks. As you have mastered each task it becomes 'automated' in your brain. Once all of those tasks are combined and mastered your apm will average around 200 without too much trouble.
However, if you say your hand starts to hurt after 2-3 games, I doubt you have had enough practise to have mastered every aspect of the game. Take it one step at a time.
Lastly, if your hand hurts you may also simply be playing from the wrong chair, with the wrong mouse(pad) and/or keyboard or they are positioned wrongly. Make sure you properly treat your hands (give them breaks and do stretches). I know there are relevant threads regarding that, though I am currently too lazy to look them up. Make your health a first priority
yea i think when your hands get more relaxed when you spam then they stop hurting. its like when you first start to learn how to drive a car, you legs hurt because they are so tense all the time. but after a while you start relaxing and its stops
On October 11 2012 00:23 wo1fwood wrote: Part of what you need to learn in spamming APM is not just improving your speed, but reducing the force necessary to complete those tasks. I would guess that your hand is becomming fatigued much more so and faster because when you spam, your hand becomes tense and that your motor movements are using waaaay to much force. Part of dexterity and speed is only using the force necessary to complete what task you are doing.
Musicians learn to do this at an early stage, but the application is something SC players need to be aware of as well. While working on your speed, but be mindful that you aren't tensing your hand up at all, and that you are only using the necessary force to active the switch/keys. Losira's hand movements will make more sense with that in mind.
that is a very good point. i feel like i got problems with my arm because i could never learn to do that.
so guys, if you want your kids to become progamers, teach them to do that from the beginning on.
On October 11 2012 00:23 illidan333 wrote: VIBE has 500-600 and most of his game goes into the lategame? If it's true, how can he play more than one game per day ?! :D
Progamers have been training a long time which builds up their muscles and their body is ready for the stress. Like you said, it goes away after 1 day of rest which means it is not permanent damage and probably just fatigue. It is like going to the gym after slacking off for a few months. Their motions are also probably much more efficient than yours and places less stress on their hands.
Like some posters already said, it's all about practise and training the muscles in your hand. Just like playing guitar for instance. What also helps is to warm up your muscles before you start spamming at top speed. So play a few games at a slower pace first.
There are many ways you can prevent wrist pain and damage.
The first is streching, before and after every game. We all have different muscle balances within our body, and thus some may not need to strech, but if your wrist hurts, you.must.strech.
Ice is another. If you really feel it hurting, ice your wrist after playing or while watching replays.
Hand excersizers (grip trainers, gyro balls, etc.) are what many pro-gamers like NoNy use to keep their wrists strong and prevent long term damage.
Also doing fore-arm work outs helps a lot, as these muscles help take the stress off the muscles in your upper wrist.
Also a lot of people have said something correct, you need to use less energy to press the keys. You are probably slamming each key when you are spamming, instead you should try to tap the keys. Maybe think about getting a mechanical keyboard with light switches, as they require much less force to press than many membrane keyboards.
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