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mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
September 11 2012 20:05 GMT
#61
Wait, the 1v1 map pool is the same?
Long live the Boss Toss!
Chicken Chaser
Profile Joined July 2010
United States533 Posts
September 11 2012 20:13 GMT
#62
On September 12 2012 05:05 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Wait, the 1v1 map pool is the same?


Yup. They removed the rocks at the 3rd for Taldarim Altar, but I think that's it.
SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
September 11 2012 20:18 GMT
#63
really disappointed with the map pool, why blizzard why!!!
I am Godzilla You are Japan
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
September 11 2012 20:58 GMT
#64
they really need to update the 1v1 map pool more frequently. which tournaments are still using shakuras?
and that stupid thing called condemned ridge is also still in...

yes, many people in here are right...WHY....
first we make expand, then we defense it.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
September 11 2012 21:02 GMT
#65
Remove all of Taldarim Altar, not just the rocks!!!!!!
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Bourne
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom152 Posts
September 11 2012 21:09 GMT
#66
On September 12 2012 06:02 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Remove all of Taldarim Altar, not just the rocks!!!!!!

what he said ^^
Also, why is there still close spawn entombed. You cant have close spawn in maps that are vertically symmetrical.
An2quamaraN
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland379 Posts
September 11 2012 21:19 GMT
#67
Ok, so still there is no Metropolis, which was promised to be back around 3 months ago, and Shakuras and Taldarim is still there? F*** you Blizzard
xSixYoni
Profile Joined September 2012
1 Post
September 11 2012 21:42 GMT
#68
So I am not sure I understand this at all, Blizzard says that you can see what percentage you are in your league based on what number you are, yet the point system remains? how does it show your *true skill* this way? maybe I just don't get it???
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 21:46:17
September 11 2012 21:45 GMT
#69
On September 12 2012 06:42 xSixYoni wrote:
So I am not sure I understand this at all, Blizzard says that you can see what percentage you are in your league based on what number you are, yet the point system remains? how does it show your *true skill* this way? maybe I just don't get it???


What do you suggest in order to have people gain or lose a rank? It should be transparent, and the point system is fair. You're rank 3 and have 1200 points? Ok, I have 1201 points, so I should be rank 2. Points are just an indicator how far you're from the next rank. If they omit them, then there's no way to know from a player's view.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10156 Posts
September 11 2012 21:50 GMT
#70
On September 12 2012 06:02 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Remove all of Taldarim Altar, not just the rocks!!!!!!


Switch taldarim for whirlwind
????????
Profit
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
September 11 2012 21:50 GMT
#71
On September 12 2012 06:19 An2quamaraN wrote:
Ok, so still there is no Metropolis, which was promised to be back around 3 months ago, and Shakuras and Taldarim is still there? F*** you Blizzard


Say what ? , where blizzard promised that they will add Metropolis to map pool ?
You have 3 vetos...its that hard to vote out maps that you dont like.. ? omg
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skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 21:56:14
September 11 2012 21:55 GMT
#72
On September 12 2012 06:42 xSixYoni wrote:
So I am not sure I understand this at all, Blizzard says that you can see what percentage you are in your league based on what number you are, yet the point system remains? how does it show your *true skill* this way? maybe I just don't get it???

Its way more simple. Its a lie!
Like before points are meaningless.
But we are able to calculate mmr more accurate.

Save gaming: kill esport
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
September 11 2012 22:15 GMT
#73
Horrendous map pool. Lazy "changes" on a bad map. Just awful. Here's to another ladder season of the same five (bad) maps for me....
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
September 11 2012 22:17 GMT
#74
Yup, played 10 games today. 8 were cheese (2 gate proxy in PvP, cannon rush in PvP, a 6pool, a roach/ling allin that broke my brain because he expanded then never used the expansion even to support his all-in, proxy 2 rax bunker rush that I barely didn't hold, 3 rax marine/marauder/SCV all-in, etc.). I'm pretty sure I was tilted after the second cheese because I kinda threw away the rest of the games. Don't really care. Now I remember why I never play on the day of or a couple days following the ladder reset.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
NemesysTV
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1088 Posts
September 11 2012 22:48 GMT
#75
On September 12 2012 02:01 jlai wrote:
i got placed as rank 88 diamond..i was rank 3 diamond for last season..nice job..

Theres people who have already played games and have higher points than you just being placed and having 0 points..
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
September 11 2012 22:53 GMT
#76
On September 12 2012 06:42 xSixYoni wrote:
So I am not sure I understand this at all, Blizzard says that you can see what percentage you are in your league based on what number you are, yet the point system remains? how does it show your *true skill* this way? maybe I just don't get it???


Their statement wasn't meant to imply that you could see what percentile you were in terms of MMR. What it meant was that you could compare point values and rankings between any two divisions in a league and be on the same baseline.

For example, 1300 pts in one division might have corresponded to 1200 points in another division, in the old system. In the new, 1300 points means the same thing in all divisions in a given league. You still cannot compare across leagues.

So no, being rank 2 doesn't mean 98th percentile among all MMRs of everyone in your league. What it does mean is that you're at 98th percentile for points including bonus pool. If every player used up all their bonus points, being rank 2 actually would come pretty close to being 98th percentile in MMR, on average.

At least now, if two gold league players in different divisions want to compare their performance, and both play enough to use up their bonus pool, they can look at their relative point scores and see how close or far their MMRs are from each other, because point scores converge on MMR.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
ishyishy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 22:57:51
September 11 2012 22:56 GMT
#77
So happy for this...now I get to tank my account into silver and troll people with cannons and carriers :D So good news for you diamond people in whatever division im in (lol) you can have my spot in masters.

I am assuming gold minerals are still in the game too?
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 04:10:39
September 11 2012 23:02 GMT
#78
On September 12 2012 04:23 ZwuckeL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 03:29 Lemonayd wrote:
Beat a masters for my placement match and I get rank 20 diamond still. Ladder still makes little sense.



Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 04:17 CougarsGonnaCoug wrote:
Was a former 1,000 point top silver that settled down at around 930 points at the season's end, in the top 100 silvers on the AM server (when I was in between the two at ~960). Played a game excited to finally get that promotion into gold.

Placed into low silver when I was playing and beating top golds/mid plats. Makes sense yo.



You guys should stop looking for mistakes somewhere else, then maybe, eventually you will figure out that it's all your fault that you don't get promoted. If you can't admit that you're bad in sc2, you will forever remain bad.



To Cougars: Silver league had a number of division tiers under the old system, which meant that a score of 930 at the end of the season might have corresponded to someone else's 600 depending on what tier you were in. Also, everyone places "low" in their division in a new season -- after their placement, they're basically randomly ordered from 1 to 100 until people start playing a lot and their points converge on their MMR.

To ZwuckeL: It's possible (maybe Excalibur_Z can get an answer on this?) that in removing tiers in lower divisions they altered the degree of league overlap or the overall league boundaries. That might cause someone to place into an unexpected league.

Over the past few seasons I've now slipped from Platinum to Silver, while my play has generally improved (looking at objective metrics from tools like sc2gears), so I'd guess that there's a bigger shift going on, probably lower league or more casual players dropping out entirely.

Edit:

(I was promoted back to Gold after maybe 10 games, so I wouldn't want to extrapolate too much from my experience.)

So happy for this...now I get to tank my account into silver and troll people with cannons and carriers :D So good news for you diamond people in whatever division im in (lol) you can have my spot in masters.


I wonder if there are enough people doing this to affect the integrity of ladder rankings? I'm not entirely sure what the effect on the people around them would be -- the games won to people who just leave while on the way down might cancel out the games they win with cannons and carriers, though since those games won and lost are uncorrelated with the other player's skill, it might just have the effect of adding random noise to everyone else's ratings.

Two of the first three games I played were people beating me with exactly the same aggressive early push, timed almost to the second, when I hadn't seen that particular opening more than once or twice in the last 200 games. (I almost never see well-timed anything at my level.) One of those guys had placed into bronze this season. I'm guessing a lot of people have had the idea to tank their ratings and troll people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Finnz
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom260 Posts
September 11 2012 23:04 GMT
#79
It seems to me that blizzard are making consistently bad decisions and the community is now responding fairly angrily. Its quite silly that the map pool is still the same. No one is going to play taldarim anymore despite the rocks anyway...so why don't they remove it? sounds like common sense to me but maybe not to blizzard for some reason
Aakoz
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden45 Posts
September 11 2012 23:04 GMT
#80
Oh god Im hearing so much about how players are but in a league lower than they were before! ;O
I was hoping alot to get into Masters this season!
Im at diamond rank 1 at 1049pts which was rank 40 of all diamonds in Europe!
Hope I get to Masters anyway
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