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Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 13:08:40
September 12 2012 13:05 GMT
#141
On September 12 2012 22:03 dynwar7 wrote:
Oh, ok, so basically your rank is a pretty good representation of where you are ONLY when you have used all your bonus pool, and also when you compare it to people who have used all their bonus pools, is this correct?


Pretty much. However, people who have generally been keeping up with their bonus points but have a few unspent points you can compare by looking at their profile, reading their unspent bonus points from the ladder page, and adding that to their score. That should be pretty close for a comparison.

Edit: To be perfectly clear, you should be comparing point score, not rank, because that will not depend on division differences. Also, you can only make these comparisons within your same league. Skeldark & friends may be able to discern how to compare between different leagues at some point but that's speculation now.

You can compare rank within your division, of course, at least among people who have spent most or all of their bonus pool, because people are ranked by point score.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
September 12 2012 13:08 GMT
#142
On September 12 2012 22:03 dynwar7 wrote:
Oh, ok, so basically your rank is a pretty good representation of where you are ONLY when you have used all your bonus pool, and also when you compare it to people who have used all their bonus pools, is this correct?


Basically, yes. But even then, there's always the chance that you were placed in a particularly strong division or a particularly weak division. Before the change, some divisions were stronger than others on purpose (division tiers), now some divisions can be stronger than others due to pure chance (bunch of good players relative to their league doing placements around the same time). The variance in division-skill will be less though.
Such flammable little insects!
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 13:26:55
September 12 2012 13:13 GMT
#143
On September 12 2012 22:08 Rannasha wrote:
Before the change, some divisions were stronger than others on purpose (division tiers), now some divisions can be stronger than others due to pure chance (bunch of good players relative to their league doing placements around the same time). The variance in division-skill will be less though.


To clarify this: before, the division tiers represented different mappings from point score to MMR (in Diamond and below only.) So, if you compared two people in divisions in two different tiers, they might have the same point score and different MMRs. Now, a given numerical point score in a certain league always corresponds to the same MMR if the player's played enough games to reach equilibrium.

So, you can compare point scores within a league for active players, and on average you can roughly compare rank (though this would generally be VERY rough) but it's probably better to keep an eye on the point score.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 13:25:05
September 12 2012 13:18 GMT
#144
Strange, can login with one of my alternate accounts, but can't login with my main account. Just played a ladder game with my main about 10 minutes ago and it said I left the game after I won the game.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
September 12 2012 14:18 GMT
#145
Why did they keep Condemned Ridge? Does anyone even play that map
Syncker
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland142 Posts
September 12 2012 14:25 GMT
#146
got promoted to masters fuck you all
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46682 Posts
September 12 2012 15:20 GMT
#147
On September 12 2012 21:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Just got this error a bunch of times in a row as I'm trying to search for a 1v1 ladder match...

[image loading]

Really weird. I've never ever seen this error before. I restarted SC2 and got the same thing a few more times. I was able to play one game a short while ago, so I'm just gonna close down SC2 for a little while and then try playing again later. Hopefully the problem fixes itself. (EDIT: I can't search for team ladder games either x.x)

Also, all my map preferences were changed... I realized that as my first match of the season was on a map I had downvoted (Ohana), and when I went to go check my preferences, they were all messed up x.x Ominous start for Season 4 lol...


Quoting myself to note to everyone else that this problem seems to be fixed... I can join games with no problem again
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
osmanic
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany200 Posts
September 12 2012 15:22 GMT
#148
hey guys i played about 7 games now in the new season, it didn't put me in a league yet - is the ladder bugged?
twitch.tv/manicx90 <- my master toss stream
nShade
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria296 Posts
September 12 2012 15:43 GMT
#149
How are division tiers removed, when I'm in a division with about 10 pros in it,
while I have a friend, who isn't and it takes him half the points to be in top 8?
OrthodoxSC2
Profile Joined September 2012
United Kingdom3 Posts
September 12 2012 15:57 GMT
#150
I'm getting the same problem osmanic, I'm not getting placed in a league...
Stephano Fighting!
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
September 12 2012 16:19 GMT
#151
On September 13 2012 00:43 nShade wrote:
How are division tiers removed, when I'm in a division with about 10 pros in it,
while I have a friend, who isn't and it takes him half the points to be in top 8?


Buy they gonna be promoted to Gm when GM starts.. so no worries..
SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
Valon
Profile Joined June 2011
United States329 Posts
September 12 2012 16:23 GMT
#152
Once again Blizzard fails to improve the ladder.
nShade
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria296 Posts
September 12 2012 16:24 GMT
#153
[image loading]


Is this a bug? It doesn't seem like he loses points for losses.
He's 1st in my division with about a 50% w/l
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
September 12 2012 16:25 GMT
#154
Wow Blizzard still havnt fix the team games chat bug. Freaking irritating
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
September 12 2012 16:28 GMT
#155
On September 13 2012 00:43 nShade wrote:
How are division tiers removed, when I'm in a division with about 10 pros in it,
while I have a friend, who isn't and it takes him half the points to be in top 8?


Removing division tiers doesn't mean all divisions are equal. In the past (and I'd assume this season) people are placed into divisions in the order in which they finish their placements. You probably played your placement right after the season started, while your friend probably waited a few hours. Since the pros are going to be playing as soon as the servers come up, they'll be in the earlier divisions, mostly.

However, once you're done with your bonus pool and your matches are consistently showing even rather than favored for the other side, and once your friend is in the same position, you can compare your point scores to see (roughly) the relative MMR.

Division tiers were a system in Diamond and below that tried to ensure that divisions were close together in skill within a league, by giving different divisions different mappings between their point score (not counting bonus points) and MMR. So, a lower-level division might have higher point scores for the same MMR as a higher-level division. This system did not apply to Master or Grand Master league, so in those leagues there will be no change at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 16:30:39
September 12 2012 16:30 GMT
#156
On September 13 2012 01:23 Valon wrote:
Once again Blizzard fails to improve the ladder.


I don't agree -- I think it's great, as someone in Diamond and below on my accounts. Once people start playing actively and sc2ranks gets up to date, it'll be possible to really know where I stand in my league, which previously was a luxury only Master and Grand Master players had.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Maggost
Profile Joined August 2011
Venezuela296 Posts
September 12 2012 16:35 GMT
#157
I dont get it, the season 3 i didnt touch my 1v1 or team random ladders and i still have my MMR? i though it will be reseted.
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Fusa
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada148 Posts
September 12 2012 16:36 GMT
#158
My ladder has experienced the same thing http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/am/master/3

#1 is 1-3 with 74 points their match history is only +20 points, and they were platinum last season. so yep defiantly issues.
Shade_FR
Profile Joined June 2010
France378 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 16:43:20
September 12 2012 16:42 GMT
#159
On September 13 2012 01:24 nShade wrote:
[image loading]


Is this a bug? It doesn't seem like he loses points for losses.
He's 1st in my division with about a 50% w/l

Did you ever played at the start of a season ? It's NORMAL and It always HAPPENED. You should read Excal's post about how the ladder works.

Short explanation : This player will start to lose 12 points / win 12 points as soon as he reaches the rating equivalent of his MMR.
It would be unfair if a low MMR player could get as much points as this player, that's why he wins more points than he loses points at the beginning of the season.
EU Zerg player - Streaming @ http://twitch.tv/shade_cst
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 16:53:32
September 12 2012 16:48 GMT
#160
-double post
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