On September 12 2012 22:03 dynwar7 wrote: Oh, ok, so basically your rank is a pretty good representation of where you are ONLY when you have used all your bonus pool, and also when you compare it to people who have used all their bonus pools, is this correct?
Pretty much. However, people who have generally been keeping up with their bonus points but have a few unspent points you can compare by looking at their profile, reading their unspent bonus points from the ladder page, and adding that to their score. That should be pretty close for a comparison.
Edit: To be perfectly clear, you should be comparing point score, not rank, because that will not depend on division differences. Also, you can only make these comparisons within your same league. Skeldark & friends may be able to discern how to compare between different leagues at some point but that's speculation now.
You can compare rank within your division, of course, at least among people who have spent most or all of their bonus pool, because people are ranked by point score.
On September 12 2012 22:03 dynwar7 wrote: Oh, ok, so basically your rank is a pretty good representation of where you are ONLY when you have used all your bonus pool, and also when you compare it to people who have used all their bonus pools, is this correct?
Basically, yes. But even then, there's always the chance that you were placed in a particularly strong division or a particularly weak division. Before the change, some divisions were stronger than others on purpose (division tiers), now some divisions can be stronger than others due to pure chance (bunch of good players relative to their league doing placements around the same time). The variance in division-skill will be less though.
On September 12 2012 22:08 Rannasha wrote: Before the change, some divisions were stronger than others on purpose (division tiers), now some divisions can be stronger than others due to pure chance (bunch of good players relative to their league doing placements around the same time). The variance in division-skill will be less though.
To clarify this: before, the division tiers represented different mappings from point score to MMR (in Diamond and below only.) So, if you compared two people in divisions in two different tiers, they might have the same point score and different MMRs. Now, a given numerical point score in a certain league always corresponds to the same MMR if the player's played enough games to reach equilibrium.
So, you can compare point scores within a league for active players, and on average you can roughly compare rank (though this would generally be VERY rough) but it's probably better to keep an eye on the point score.
Strange, can login with one of my alternate accounts, but can't login with my main account. Just played a ladder game with my main about 10 minutes ago and it said I left the game after I won the game.
On September 12 2012 21:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Just got this error a bunch of times in a row as I'm trying to search for a 1v1 ladder match...
Really weird. I've never ever seen this error before. I restarted SC2 and got the same thing a few more times. I was able to play one game a short while ago, so I'm just gonna close down SC2 for a little while and then try playing again later. Hopefully the problem fixes itself. (EDIT: I can't search for team ladder games either x.x)
Also, all my map preferences were changed... I realized that as my first match of the season was on a map I had downvoted (Ohana), and when I went to go check my preferences, they were all messed up x.x Ominous start for Season 4 lol...
Quoting myself to note to everyone else that this problem seems to be fixed... I can join games with no problem again
How are division tiers removed, when I'm in a division with about 10 pros in it, while I have a friend, who isn't and it takes him half the points to be in top 8?
On September 13 2012 00:43 nShade wrote: How are division tiers removed, when I'm in a division with about 10 pros in it, while I have a friend, who isn't and it takes him half the points to be in top 8?
Buy they gonna be promoted to Gm when GM starts.. so no worries..
On September 13 2012 00:43 nShade wrote: How are division tiers removed, when I'm in a division with about 10 pros in it, while I have a friend, who isn't and it takes him half the points to be in top 8?
Removing division tiers doesn't mean all divisions are equal. In the past (and I'd assume this season) people are placed into divisions in the order in which they finish their placements. You probably played your placement right after the season started, while your friend probably waited a few hours. Since the pros are going to be playing as soon as the servers come up, they'll be in the earlier divisions, mostly.
However, once you're done with your bonus pool and your matches are consistently showing even rather than favored for the other side, and once your friend is in the same position, you can compare your point scores to see (roughly) the relative MMR.
Division tiers were a system in Diamond and below that tried to ensure that divisions were close together in skill within a league, by giving different divisions different mappings between their point score (not counting bonus points) and MMR. So, a lower-level division might have higher point scores for the same MMR as a higher-level division. This system did not apply to Master or Grand Master league, so in those leagues there will be no change at all.
On September 13 2012 01:23 Valon wrote: Once again Blizzard fails to improve the ladder.
I don't agree -- I think it's great, as someone in Diamond and below on my accounts. Once people start playing actively and sc2ranks gets up to date, it'll be possible to really know where I stand in my league, which previously was a luxury only Master and Grand Master players had.
Is this a bug? It doesn't seem like he loses points for losses. He's 1st in my division with about a 50% w/l
Did you ever played at the start of a season ? It's NORMAL and It always HAPPENED. You should read Excal's post about how the ladder works.
Short explanation : This player will start to lose 12 points / win 12 points as soon as he reaches the rating equivalent of his MMR. It would be unfair if a low MMR player could get as much points as this player, that's why he wins more points than he loses points at the beginning of the season.
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