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Shade_FR
Profile Joined June 2010
France378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-27 05:58:18
January 27 2013 05:57 GMT
#781
On January 27 2013 14:44 Goldfish wrote:
Anyone else having huge lag spikes with HotS? I can play WoL fine but not HotS.

Where do you live ? More infos would be welcome.

I have sometimes spike in HoTS but the most annoying thing is the constant delay for each input.

38 ms on WoL EU
230 ms on HoTS Beta (US based server)
EU Zerg player - Streaming @ http://twitch.tv/shade_cst
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
January 27 2013 06:19 GMT
#782
On January 27 2013 14:29 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 14:21 Belisarius wrote:
Okay, just encountered a pretty suspicious bug/exploit.

2v2, won game, one of their players pauses then drops. Game is frozen. When we hit pause to resume, we see the checkbox for "X has resumed the game", but it stays paused. One of the other guys stays chillin', doesn't respond to chat. We try a few variations on the theme of mashing the crap out of unpause followed by mild abuse, and then give up and drop because it's only beta. Other team gets the win in match history.

Is that a known exploit or worth reporting?

you should report it, even if someone already has it brings more attention to it


Yeah I will, just so long as it's not one of those "well obviously, everyone knows about that hack" things.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
January 27 2013 06:20 GMT
#783
On January 27 2013 15:19 Belisarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 14:29 Forikorder wrote:
On January 27 2013 14:21 Belisarius wrote:
Okay, just encountered a pretty suspicious bug/exploit.

2v2, won game, one of their players pauses then drops. Game is frozen. When we hit pause to resume, we see the checkbox for "X has resumed the game", but it stays paused. One of the other guys stays chillin', doesn't respond to chat. We try a few variations on the theme of mashing the crap out of unpause followed by mild abuse, and then give up and drop because it's only beta. Other team gets the win in match history.

Is that a known exploit or worth reporting?

you should report it, even if someone already has it brings more attention to it


Yeah I will, just so long as it's not one of those "well obviously, everyone knows about that hack" things.

even if it you should still report it
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-27 06:41:06
January 27 2013 06:40 GMT
#784
On January 27 2013 14:57 Shade_CsT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 14:44 Goldfish wrote:
Anyone else having huge lag spikes with HotS? I can play WoL fine but not HotS.

Where do you live ? More infos would be welcome.

I have sometimes spike in HoTS but the most annoying thing is the constant delay for each input.

38 ms on WoL EU
230 ms on HoTS Beta (US based server)


Live in NA, is the HotS server US based for everyone? I assume it's not network lag in this case.

It seems more like computer/client side lag rather than network lag (when it lags, everything freezes for 1-4 seconds, and I can't move my mouse or anything, then it catches up).

It even happens in replays (which is worse than in game actually).

I can make WoL fine (on Ultra), even 4v4s with computers on very hard (with comps building fast).

However HotS, even on lower settings (and physics off), 1v1s lag a ton.

Edit - The game is 100% downloaded (optimal) so it's not some weird issue with streaming either (I assume).
https://connect.microsoft.com/WindowsServerFeedback/feedback/details/741495/biggest-explorer-annoyance-automatic-sorting-windows-7-server-2008-r2-and-vista#details Allow Disable Auto Arrange in Windows 7+
RiceAgainst
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1849 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-27 07:16:18
January 27 2013 07:08 GMT
#785
On January 27 2013 00:42 Ch3rry wrote:
Regarding the latest Achievement/Feat of Strenght what is the fastest way to lvl 90?
Ladder / Cheesing vs AI / Training / Resuming from Replay last second??


Simple Answer: play 20-25 minute, 3 base, macro games (AI/Custom vs Friends/Ladder), for 60 hours

At least for me it's working. Hoping there's a quicker way (there probably is) but this is your best bet for now.

Detailed Answer:
+ Show Spoiler +
Well, you get EXP from building stuff and killing stuff. I tried cheesing 6 minute games, got around 5k exp a game. Of course there's the 10k "First Win of the Day" Bonus but that only applies once. I haven't experimented too much but the way I grind is playing 3 base, 20-25 minute games vs. AI, of ~50k exp each game (roughly 25k from production, 25k from destruction).

Using my strat, you'll need approximately ~60 hours real time to get to level 30 for one race. Each level requires 20k exp more than the level before (lvl. 1 -> lvl. 2 requires 5000, 2 -> 3 needs 25000, 3 -> 4 needs 45000, etc. etc.). This puts you at roughly 9 million exp for level 30. 9000000 exp divided by 50k a game = 180 games. 180 games divided by 3 games an hour puts you at roughly 60 hours.

You can always go custom FFA with your friends and have your friends spoonfeed units to your deathball (~180 supply) while you spoonfeed them with the remaining 20 supply (you get exp for building, remember?).


*Might have done my math wrong, but my strategy is still going to be around 50-60 hrs.

EDIT: It's ~8.2m exp, so about 54 hours. Probably less since 1st win of the day bonus, but that's still around 50 hours. And you might want to spend some of the games messing around or actually laddering so you're not guaranteed ~50k exp a game.
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-27 07:36:00
January 27 2013 07:32 GMT
#786
In terms of computers, you can do 4v4s (with 3 allied computers) on a big map or a shared base map (I like vigilance and megaton and outpost).

Set them to hard or harder at least, and at the 5 minute mark, you can keep requesting resources from your computer (don't overdo this though or else the computer won't have enough to build stuff themselves).

Use the extra resources to build a lot more structures and units.

For Terran (probably a bit faster for Protoss due to warp ins, and maybe Zerg with larva injects), I can do about 50k exp in 20-22 min game, so your calculation would be right (60 hours to get max level for terran). (I never actually timed myself in 1v1s though, I should try that).

You get 100% of unit cost (minerals + gas) when you build or destroy a unit/structure.

(It decreases by 77% at some point though, I think it's based off of exp gain or a time limit.)

So 60 hours to get to level 30 for 1 race, 180 total for everyone? With only 1 month, I'm not sure if I can do that in time >.<. IMO, they should tone it a bit down for the beta. 180 hours seems not doable for me if it takes that long (plus, HotS is lagging for me and I want to play mostly WoL before nearly everyone switches to HotS).

Ironically, you could probably get to paragon level 60 or so with 180 hours (at about 50-60 million exp per hour, which is the average for most classes currently) in D3 +make some cash along the way selling stuff you find for $$.
https://connect.microsoft.com/WindowsServerFeedback/feedback/details/741495/biggest-explorer-annoyance-automatic-sorting-windows-7-server-2008-r2-and-vista#details Allow Disable Auto Arrange in Windows 7+
RiceAgainst
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1849 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-27 07:38:54
January 27 2013 07:36 GMT
#787
On January 27 2013 16:32 Goldfish wrote:
In terms of computers, you can do 4v4s (with 3 allied computers) on a big map or a shared base map (I like vigilance and megaton and outpost).

Set them to hard or harder at least, and at the 5 minute mark, you can keep requesting resources from your computer (don't overdo this though or else the computer won't have enough to build stuff themselves).

Use the extra resources to build a lot more structures and units.

You get 100% of unit cost (minerals + gas) when you build or destroy a unit/structure.

(It decreases by 77% at some point though, I think it's based off of exp gain or a time limit.)

So 60 hours to get to level 30 for 1 race, 180 total for everyone? With only 1 month, I'm not sure if I can do that in time >.<. IMO, they should tone it a bit down for the beta. 180 hours seems not doable for me if it takes that long (plus, HotS is lagging for me and I want to play mostly WoL before nearly everyone switches to HotS).

Ironically, you could probably get to paragon level 60 or so with 180 hours (at about 50-60 million exp per hour, which is the average for most classes currently) in D3 +make some cash along the way selling stuff you find for $$.


I think the decrease hits around 50k exp. At first I thought it was time but it didn't seem like it for me. Then I though it's when they offer to surrender (since it's vs AI). Unless there's some complex equation behind the decrease, we can assume 50k?

EDIT: LOLOL, according to the other thread, the 20k increase per level doesn't stay for all the levels. So it's significantly lower than 8 million, maybe even lower than 4 million.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 27 2013 20:56 GMT
#788
Is there a website hosting pro replays of hots?
invisible.terran
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States280 Posts
January 27 2013 21:41 GMT
#789
Anyone having troubles updating to the new patch? The auto update reported miss-matched MD5 iirc. I also tried to uninstall and clean up registry, it still has error, just no detail report.
"Until the very very top, in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in, the only problem is most people cant work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they dont have a real passion for." - Idra
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
January 27 2013 22:03 GMT
#790
For the exp decrease: its starts at 50k every game. just tried it out myself.
NaNiwa | Innovation | Flash | DeMuslim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Rataplan
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands109 Posts
January 27 2013 22:43 GMT
#791
In the HOTS beta I can't select enemy units/building, mineral patches, gas, destructible rocks or neutral rocks below your ramp.

Is there a solution for this or is this standard in the beta (would be weird)?
adaptive7
Profile Joined November 2011
Austria16 Posts
January 27 2013 22:49 GMT
#792
On January 28 2013 07:43 Rataplan wrote:
In the HOTS beta I can't select enemy units/building, mineral patches, gas, destructible rocks or neutral rocks below your ramp.

Is there a solution for this or is this standard in the beta (would be weird)?


There is a checkbox called "Enable Enemy Unit Selection" located in Menu --> Options --> Gameplay
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
January 27 2013 23:00 GMT
#793
If i get the achievment for lvl 30 for every race will it stay as a feat of strenght in the retail version?
NaNiwa | Innovation | Flash | DeMuslim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Rataplan
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands109 Posts
January 27 2013 23:06 GMT
#794
On January 28 2013 07:49 adaptive7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2013 07:43 Rataplan wrote:
In the HOTS beta I can't select enemy units/building, mineral patches, gas, destructible rocks or neutral rocks below your ramp.

Is there a solution for this or is this standard in the beta (would be weird)?


There is a checkbox called "Enable Enemy Unit Selection" located in Menu --> Options --> Gameplay

Thanks a lot, I checked the menu but I must have overlooked it or something ^^'
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 28 2013 01:18 GMT
#795
What can collapsible rock towers destroy? I know they can do five hundred damage to buildings, and push away ground units like forcefields do ( unless they are stuck there in which case the unit dies), but what happens if they fall on mineral patches, gas geysers, xel'naga towers, or other rocks? Are they permanently removed from the map, or do they reappear once you destroy the destructible rocks. Also, could you theoretically make a map, where a series of collapsible rock towers destroy each other like dominos, and end up crushing something across the map?
HaN-
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
France1920 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-28 02:27:50
January 28 2013 01:20 GMT
#796
Is this possible to lower the "victory sound" that appears when winning a game ?
Calendaraka Foxhan
UrielSC
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada143 Posts
January 28 2013 01:24 GMT
#797
Where can I find current replays of HOTS?
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
January 28 2013 03:54 GMT
#798
On January 28 2013 08:00 Fus wrote:
If i get the achievment for lvl 30 for every race will it stay as a feat of strenght in the retail version?

the lvl 30 portrait stays everytign else gets wiped
Digitalis
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1043 Posts
January 28 2013 09:58 GMT
#799
how does hots achievement combine with WoL if even?

I was planning to beat WoL on brutal but will it even matter in hots? do i keep my points/achievements?
Phokus
Profile Joined April 2010
United States31 Posts
January 28 2013 10:26 GMT
#800
I have played SC2 since WoL beta. I have mained all 3 races at some point and still havent made a decision for HoTS. Is there anywhere that lists all the changes from WoL to current beta?
wait...what?
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