EPTNever include the chat. Never.
Edit: Or better yet - never take part of it in any way
DH Valencia with eSports Congress - Page 27
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
Never include the chat. Never. Edit: Or better yet - never take part of it in any way | ||
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ellirc
Sweden3286 Posts
Alright. Subtract about 50 more. Still no reason for a MLG representative to act like this. | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
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Dosey
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
Abit disappointed with these answers EDIT: And Robert adresses it just as I posted that, hah... Not very indepth though | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
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Chenz
Sweden1197 Posts
On September 22 2012 03:11 Dosey wrote: What are you smoking sundance? Your event with the biggest prize pool was one of the most competitive tournaments. You can't look at it like that. First of all, the prize pool of Providence was special because all prior MLG events that year had a really small prize pool. Second, it was the season finale. They had built up the hype of Providence during the whole year. Compare to the super bowl, how important do you think the prize pool is for it's viewership? | ||
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sinii
England989 Posts
On September 22 2012 03:15 AlternativeEgo wrote: Ooooohh..have MLG asked players not to have their team shirts on? Wow sensing drama there! Sundance did not like that lol... | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On September 22 2012 03:14 ELA wrote: I feel they kinda snaked out of this one - Revenue sharing isn't just about cash, it's also about being flexible with allowing teams/players to display their sponsors in a good and meaningful way, as well as disclose viewership numbers, demographics and so on, so that the teams can sell their product more easily. Abit disappointed with these answers EDIT: And Robert adresses it just as I posted that, hah... Not very indepth though MLG was pretty notorious for it though (what Robert hinted at), especially in the HALO days. | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On September 22 2012 03:15 AlternativeEgo wrote: Ooooohh..have MLG asked players not to have their team shirts on? It was a while back, and as far as I know, they didn't actually do it - But there have been episodes with teams not feeling very exposed on the sponsor side at MLG's due to conflicting sponsors and so on So no, they didn't actually do that afaik. | ||
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Hylirion
Netherlands968 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Do you fear you'd lose your identity somewhat with a global collab? Sundance: Not really, everyone operates differently etc. The key point is sustainability. There are bigger worries than having your logo front and centre. Internationally federations are incredibly difficult to run, especially in an area with limited funds available. Redeye: What kind of responsibility do you feel towards the players. Sharing revenue when you make profits etc? Who needs who Russel Well we can put the prize pool up, the players are a big part, the game is the bottom necesasry component. Players are the most important element to esports Sundance Players and the game are top of the list. The game has to have the hooks and accessibility to get an audience. Esports titles are useless if no one actually plays them. Games will probably last longer than individual players, we need stars and to make stars, but we need the games too. Robert: to answer your question? Sundance: oh, well these guys are having an opportunity thanks to what we're doing right now. It's a hard one. redeye: paying for travel etc? Sundance: I got yelled at for paying for flights and hotels etc. I tried but I got yelled at. Prize money doesn't change attendance and viewership that much, found this out during spending arms race vs CGS Doesn't mean it's not important of course, but the infrastructure needs to be strong and what it is to be a team actually means to something. We can count on them to show up, or to contribute to content the league is making. One of our mission statements was to see 100 players making money NOT from prize winnings David Players are important, the game is important, but making esports are viable profession is important. If we're ever profitable we'll have a choice between raising staff salary, making events bigger, or raising prize pool. We'll probably do all of the above, it's very tight working in esports right now and it can be hard to make ends meet. It needs to be a balance for the long haul. Redeye: was it good for blizz to pay for players to attend wcs? Robert very good start and initiative. the audience needs to understand it's not easy to pay out prize money in terms of getting it in, and then getting it out. Dreamhack get a lot of hate because they only award the really top tier, but the plan is to build hype and build stars and to get people to really want to go there and compete, especially for the open content that travels around Europe. Redeye Do you feel less responsibility to the players? Robert nononon, my responsibility is not paying players, that's all on the team. My responsibility is to make sure that teams get the most out of my events, be that sponsor visibility or whatever. Redeye: Are you worried in any way about Riots plans and ideals for the next year? Ralf It's great that a publisher takes a big interest in esports and I think we've all benefited from it. Now they've got a plan to do something like CGS *deep breath*, either way we're all in different discussions with them about this. If they find a format which is beneficial for all and good for our tournaments of course we'll be happy, and if not then i'm sure we won't. Sundance Things are good when they go there way, but then you can get pains in the ass like the last event (referring to match rigging in finals). We have a great relationship with blizz, activision, other people etc, it goes on. Riot have a vision for how they want to go forwards and they are going to do what they are going to do. We can't operate out of fear and instead of have to hope it's an opportunity. They will say this is what we want, and we'll have to say yes or no. There's other options like Dota etc or you don't even need to look at the same kind of genre. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45922 Posts
On September 22 2012 03:09 Assirra wrote: If he was the better player he would have stopped the cheese of the other player. Why do people always act like cheese is a lower lvl of play, its a strategy like an other and if it works said player deserves to win and is the better player then. I'm not saying that a better player will always lose to a worse player who cheeses, and I think you're missing the statistical fact of longer series reducing the volatility of results between players who are measuredly better and worse. | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
To ESL: "You have a funny mustache...." *Points to upper lip* | ||
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Kilby
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Ein0r
Germany32 Posts
Mh.. i wonder. Would you guys stop watching Stacraft 2 tournaments, or League of Legends tournaments, when Blizzard or Riot only would produce those tournaments? (Different country tournaments, one big tournament, etc) Would it become boring? Because if they want to set something like this up, those companies will hire the needed people that have enough competence and knowledge of how to organise such a tournament. And for all that have troubles with a horribly lagging stream, someone already mentioned it : Use the 720p+ option. My lags stopped and i can watch it without any lags. ( i watched on 360p before) | ||
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Grettin
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
If it's a trend that devs and publishers want to do this themselves where does that leave you? Sundance well we've worked with them to this point on most things. there's guys from blizz here today talking with everyone. we can impact the lifestyle of a game when given the tools. if riot wants to control all that then that's fine, and that will have tobe the first time a publisher alone has managed to make it work Robert I sincerely hope that none of the guys at valve/blizz/riot want to stifle the competition from us If they try that, they are literally killing esports. Matthieu esports is beyond the game already *big laughs* You can't just limit it on single games. We need to pay respect to WCG for what they did accomplish outside of just a game etc esports doesn't belong to just one person Sundance WE COULD MAKE A GAME. If there were barriers to entry, we could definitely make a game to compete anyway. Ralf It's not easy to monopolise esports anyway, it's much more. It's why there's 6 guys from around the world here today and not just one. Robert I do think what valve/blizz/riot do is benefiting us because it's making a big impact. old time media loves the whole $1million tag etc and it's great publicity to a wider audience with these big one offs. I don't think they are a threat to us or anything really. ====== There's one question left on where esports will be in 10 years from now, but I've got to dash. Hope the LT was useful to some people who were having problems watching and that it remained readable (it's hard to keep up!) | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On September 22 2012 03:23 Ein0r wrote: "They are killing esports, no bullshit" (by setting up monoculture) Mh.. i wonder. Would you guys stop watching Stacraft 2 tournaments, or League of Legends tournaments, when Blizzard or Riot only would produce those tournaments? (Different country tournaments, one big tournament, etc) Would it become boring? Because if they want to set something like this up, those companies will hire the needed people that have enough competence and knowledge of how to organise such a tournament. Have you seen Blizzards ladder map pool? And you speak of competence? Pfft. | ||
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