EPTDH Valencia with eSports Congress - Page 26
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Grettin
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
You mentioned dark ages (cgs and recession etc). We're coming away from that now, but is the marketing pot one of the first things to go in that situation? Robert: Everything froze and because we're a fledgling industry we got hit hard. Redeye: Are you concerned that the money you've secured and worked hard for could be taken away by continued financial trouble Robert: No, we've developed too far in the last couple of years and the streaming technology grabs such a desirable demographic that it will continue to get people interested. Dreamhack always reinvests its profits to make things better for the audience. Sundance there's a challenge that we all face in terms of sponsorship revenue and alternative content distribution e.g. ppv. advertising is important, but it's not a certainty. people aren't guaranteed to continue to invest in a certain product. being able to say X number of people WILL pay for this content is vital. I'll take the flack for trying ppv, but i think it will be good for everyone here that we tried the model Ralf Look at any other sport, there's always entrance admissions and all the rest,. The fans do pay in some shape or form Robert Someone always has to pick up the bill Redeye Is over saturation hurting you guys? Robert survival of the fittest (laughs) It's a misconception caused by the void there was prior to the last year or two. Look at sports, you have so many and they are all sustainable, right down through the amateur leagues. Audiences don't have to follow everything minute by minute every weekend Redeye Are you dividing the sponsorship/oversaturating sponsorship requests David Small slice of NFL dollars could pay for all of us and more, we're still really early in the development of things so there's no real worries about the competition for sponsor $$$. In the next few years we can really get into this. Redeye Is the death of CGS still causing issues Sundance Never caused us issues outside of behind the scenes deals with Halo while cgs was alive. *just business* No one in the outside world remembers what happens. It's important to understand, if we don't build something that's sustainable then esports doesn't even exist tomorrow to the people who control the kind of money they are after. Yes at times we'll have arguments between each other, but the fact is we want to compete healthily against each other and to work for an audience that has the same passion as us. My mission in life is for MLG to outlive me, that and to raise my quest *All agree* Ralf: I've played in leagues that don't exist anymore, and that's the reason I started ESL because I wanted to see something like that happen and believed in it. David: I watched, but again I wanted to push forward something I believe in. People might over-analyse a tweet but we're really not that backstabby at all! | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46559 Posts
On September 22 2012 02:50 MLG_Adam wrote: Why because he said direct to consumer revenue needs to be one of 4 pillars of revenue? Not particularly based on the fact that he/ MLG has cogent financial reasons for setting up such a thing. Merely because of the huge thread wars in the past and because a lot of people feel entitled to free material and don't want to pay for things, etc. The other panelists didn't really respond, but I think if the topic had lasted more than two minutes, there would be at least some discussion on the topic (just as there is every time a PPV event is announced on TL). I support the idea; I know a lot of people who don't and are very vocal about their reasons why. | ||
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ellirc
Sweden3286 Posts
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
Single elimination is fine, but bo1 in Starcraft is like Russian Roulette | ||
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MBH
Ireland796 Posts
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Castigo
United Kingdom34 Posts
also ROFL at "i don't go and buy a porsche like Sundance" BO1 it's a good idea, if you remove mirror matchups | ||
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Hylirion
Netherlands968 Posts
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On September 22 2012 02:57 Castigo wrote: 720p+ setting fixed the lag for me. Go figure.... also ROFL at "i don't go and buy a porsche like Sundance" Its the video compression at Twitch that seems to be the problem - If you choose the native resolution of the stream, it will skip a link in the processing chain - This goes for all online video actually | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On September 22 2012 02:57 Castigo wrote: 720p+ setting fixed the lag for me. Go figure.... also ROFL at "i don't go and buy a porsche like Sundance" BO1 it's a good idea, if you remove mirror matchups You don't remember the early seasons of GSL, do you? Ro32 groups were by far the worst thing in the history of that league. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46559 Posts
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Chenz
Sweden1197 Posts
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Grettin
42417 Posts
On September 22 2012 02:57 ELA wrote: bo1 making best entertainment Sundance? xD Really? Single elimination is fine, but bo1 in Starcraft is like Russian Roulette I see it this way. Sure Bo3 is more fair and just as good as Bo1, but when it comes to Bo1 format, that would mean more games shown on streams and thus more entertainment and variety. Some Bo3's might be completely face-roll matches, which really isn't that entertaining. But when it comes to Bo1, we might see more entertaining games because there is more matches to show. But then, Bo1 just as well might be one cheesy game and thats that. I dunno, interesting topic nevertheless. Sundance should've said his reasons why Bo1 is more entertaining. Opinions i guess. On September 22 2012 02:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Bo1 is never a good idea if we want the better players to win, as statistically the better players will win the longer BoX series. I don't like such volatility from Bo1 either, where one cheese could knock half the great players out of the tournament. Who would want to watch the rest of the weekend? This is the problem with Bo1 for sure. As ELA said, it's really russian roulette for the players. It can or cannot be fair to some. | ||
MLG_Adam
United States994 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46559 Posts
In fact, double elimination is perfectly fine in my book, because that hypothetically allows for any player to play any other player in the finals- even if they're on the same side of the bracket at the beginning of the tournament. (That's not to say I dislike single elimination or other tournament setups, but I think double elimination without extended series can be run quite well.) | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Womens baseball/Softball came up with double elimination, why are we still using double elim, isn't it time we changed to something more modern? Sundance: Most fair vs Most entertaining Single elim = most entertaining because it's volatile and exciting, they're considering it. Agrees many of their rules are grandfathered in from older games, and sometimes things take a while to change but they won't change mid season and will try to correct Mathieu Double elim gives players a second chance, but we changed to double group stage into single elim bracket to make it clear who is the winner and who is the loser. Redeye good point, you all want to increase the number of people at your tournaments and isn't it better to have a simple format so people can easily understand. Ralf Double elim has legacy because players want the best one to win and like the extra chances. In classic sports often the luckier guy can win, and players don't like that. Different formats can be interesting, but can be complicated. We'll try some stuff Robert: comes back to advertising, it needs to be easy to explain to sponsors and viewers or it'll be a hard sell Russel well anyone can overcomplicate a formula redeye: yeah I guess double elim is just you lose twice and your out russel for a casual audience a tournament bracket and point system isn't traditional sports. Most sports go on leagues and a tournament at the end. sundance It needs experimenting for season formats too. we've done points systems that have been carried on too long, and in some formats fan favourites can qualify early and don't need to show up which hurts the events too. redeye Is double elim the historical format for esports by now? robert Even single elim group play can be bad if you don't think out the rules properly, we've had tiebreaks that go on and on and on. Sundance Many times you have to play way too many games to win a tournament, and to keep it exciting and package it up. Then you have to factor in that maybe 80% of games at an event like MLG don't even make it to the broadcast. double elim needs to be looked at, but till we have something better for advertisers, spectators, and players we need to stick with what we know. Redeye Maybe something similar to tennis structure with major tournaments and a standardised ruleset across events? Robert: If everyone uses the same ruleset it makes life great for everyone Sundance: Even in tennis you play on clay, there's differences and it makes it a little bit interesting. I think we need to get rid of what sucks, but if several things do work there's no reason not to keep them. | ||
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ellirc
Sweden3286 Posts
On September 22 2012 03:03 MLG_Adam wrote: He was being sensational on purpose. Chill. You should chill to be honest. There are five people posting in this thread. 3962 other people are actually listening and thinking about what is said on the panel. Chill. | ||
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ZjiublingZ
United Arab Emirates439 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On September 22 2012 02:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Bo1 is never a good idea if we want the better players to win, as statistically the better players will win the longer BoX series. I don't like such volatility from Bo1 either, where one cheese could knock half the great players out of the tournament. Who would want to watch the rest of the weekend? If he was the better player he would have stopped the cheese of the other player. Why do people always act like cheese is a lower lvl of play, its a strategy like an other and if it works said player deserves to win and is the better player then. | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On September 22 2012 03:06 ellirc wrote: You should chill to be honest. There are five people posting in this thread. 3962 other people are actually listening and thinking about what is said on the panel. Chill. rofl thinking? do you see that troll chat? | ||
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