EPTThe best current casters make the game fun to watch and add drama and excitement. I just don't get that from Moletrap. It isn't a personal attack, and he seems like a nice guy. A lot of people feel that way, and I assume its why no foreign leagues invite him to cast. Guys like Bitterdam, Apollo, Tastosis and Wolfdor have set the bar too high.
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Dante_A_
United States161 Posts
The best current casters make the game fun to watch and add drama and excitement. I just don't get that from Moletrap. It isn't a personal attack, and he seems like a nice guy. A lot of people feel that way, and I assume its why no foreign leagues invite him to cast. Guys like Bitterdam, Apollo, Tastosis and Wolfdor have set the bar too high. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3048 Posts
On September 05 2012 00:04 Kasaraki wrote: Moletrap is what you get when casters aren't as insanely passionate as we are used to. He's a working man, he puts on his casting suit and when his working day is over, he goes home to watch kodomo anime. I admit I may be wrong about certain things, but I think generally the above is true, and it's basically what you #1 option was as well. Huh. I guess he was lying to me when he said we should interview/translate at the OSL/WCS/WCG Preliminaries, instead of taking a break at home for the day. I guess he isn't passionate enough to wait 8 hours just to grab 4 people to interview, stating that we should have gotten more. I guess he doesn't give a crap about the foreign fans when he walked up to the SKT T1 coach to ask him about international sales of their jerseys. | ||
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MapleFractal
Canada307 Posts
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Dante_A_
United States161 Posts
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supernovamaniac
United States3048 Posts
On September 05 2012 02:00 Dante_A_ wrote: I wouldn't question his passion. But why do his BW fans find it so hard when people question his SC2 casting abilities? Pulling up his BW casts isn't as relevant as his GSL casts; I remember him saying probes were about to scout the main base when there were 3 stalkers at the top of the ramp, etc. These are some of the problems that put people off Moletrap, not personal hatred. Often times, it becomes a personal hatred because people tend to bandwagon what the community thinks, instead of checking out what's happening themselves. I'm not saying it applies to you, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to some people, but most people will go with what others have to say about person X. | ||
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PauseBreak
United States270 Posts
He lost his edge, and his game knowledge really isn't all that superb. | ||
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AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
I just think with the release of WoL the community as a whole became a lot younger than it used to be during BW times. Well and young people tend to be vocal while the old BW veteran just mutes the stream if he gets annoyed and that's it. Today you get 10 whine threads on TL and 50 on reddit about minor stuff which doesn't really bother the oldies. | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
On September 04 2012 23:52 Mr Showtime wrote: I don't really care about his BW casting anymore, and most others (especially those critical) don't either. "I think this and most others too so it's true" Well.... no. If I learned anything about what "most others" / "the majority" thinks, for example by - seeing what incredible crap tv programs are most popular - more people playing lol than sc2 - the witchhunt sponsor contacting low lifes forcing their morale upon the entire community - political candidates judged more by 1 tv performance than their political views and leadership capabilities. that you should not care too much about what "the majority" thinks or wants, because it's usually quite crappy. | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
I hate him as "play by play" caster since i don't like his voice and how he changes from whispering to screaming and all that in that very annoying high pitched tone... day9 does that as well but a lot of people don't seem to mind it, so maybe i am alone on this one ? But non the less play by play is a matter of personal opinion and if a lot of people like or don't like that side of his casting it will show and it will determinate how "good" he is at said style. But as far as analytical goes ? He knows BS about the game, he really doesn't know that much. There are caster like HD or day9 that don't go so much "in depth" on the meta game... fine, there are caster like apolo and artosis that will sometime focus on meta game to much that they will look silly. But moletrap is somewhere in between being bad at both. I would, mind you, give him a chance based on his BW casting carer if he cared enough as to have an account in high master or grand master, doesn't need to be korea. He can do it on NA or EU, but as far as i am concerned he was around diamond or low master, im sorry WHAT ? Tasteless which is by role a non analytical caster is high master on korea, roterdam which many time was the more non-analytical in the biterdam duo is grandmaster, not even to mention the analytical casters. Its not hard to get to high masters, you only need to play enough, even the most skill less person can do it if he plays a few hours a day. So let me TL;DR - his analysis is sup bar - his non-analytical casting doesn't appeal to me and it seems to a lot of other people - he isn't playing the game enough Why the fuck should i not be mad that he is casting what is supposed to become the 2nd most important league in the world of sc2 if no the 1st ? Its not hurting me as much tbh, i barely watch OSL anyway but i am damn sure its hurting them. And with so many good caster out there it seems like a really dumb move. Maybe Moletrap will improve in 6 months, maybe in 2 years, maybe he will become the best sc2 caster ever... who knows ? But until he at least shows signs of trying i don't see why any non-fan should "support" him as an OSL caster. There are a lot of online cups or smaller LANs, cast those. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3048 Posts
On September 05 2012 02:22 AngryMag wrote: I don't mind Moletrap' casting.. I find all this "favorite caster" etc. talk a bit irritating to be honest. Even Artosis/Tasteless/Day9 get a lot of hate lately... I just think with the release of WoL the community as a whole became a lot younger than it used to be during BW times. Well and young people tend to be vocal while the old BW veteran just mutes the stream if he gets annoyed and that's it. Today you get 10 whine threads on TL and 50 on reddit about minor stuff which doesn't really bother the oldies. Pitchforks. Don't forget the pitchforks. | ||
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AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
On September 05 2012 04:04 supernovamaniac wrote: Pitchforks. Don't forget the pitchforks. Oh yeah my fault, I guess Moletrap shouldn't get private sponsorship, his sponsors might get spammed with mails ala "but he said drone will scout, but there were marines on ramp LOL ROFL 11111111" | ||
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how2TL
1197 Posts
On September 05 2012 03:17 Aterons_toss wrote: Why give a guy credit if he doesn't try to improve ? I hate him as "play by play" caster since i don't like his voice and how he changes from whispering to screaming and all that in that very annoying high pitched tone... day9 does that as well but a lot of people don't seem to mind it, so maybe i am alone on this one ? But non the less play by play is a matter of personal opinion and if a lot of people like or don't like that side of his casting it will show and it will determinate how "good" he is at said style. But as far as analytical goes ? He knows BS about the game, he really doesn't know that much. There are caster like HD or day9 that don't go so much "in depth" on the meta game... fine, there are caster like apolo and artosis that will sometime focus on meta game to much that they will look silly. But moletrap is somewhere in between being bad at both. I would, mind you, give him a chance based on his BW casting carer if he cared enough as to have an account in high master or grand master, doesn't need to be korea. He can do it on NA or EU, but as far as i am concerned he was around diamond or low master, im sorry WHAT ? Tasteless which is by role a non analytical caster is high master on korea, roterdam which many time was the more non-analytical in the biterdam duo is grandmaster, not even to mention the analytical casters. Its not hard to get to high masters, you only need to play enough, even the most skill less person can do it if he plays a few hours a day. So let me TL;DR - his analysis is sup bar - his non-analytical casting doesn't appeal to me and it seems to a lot of other people - he isn't playing the game enough Why the fuck should i not be mad that he is casting what is supposed to become the 2nd most important league in the world of sc2 if no the 1st ? Its not hurting me as much tbh, i barely watch OSL anyway but i am damn sure its hurting them. And with so many good caster out there it seems like a really dumb move. Maybe Moletrap will improve in 6 months, maybe in 2 years, maybe he will become the best sc2 caster ever... who knows ? But until he at least shows signs of trying i don't see why any non-fan should "support" him as an OSL caster. There are a lot of online cups or smaller LANs, cast those. You "barely" watch OSL and yet you have such a strong opinion. Seems more like you just enjoy hating someone and encouraging others to do so. That's pretty toxic. But seriously, no more of these threads please. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On September 05 2012 02:22 AngryMag wrote: I don't mind Moletrap' casting.. I find all this "favorite caster" etc. talk a bit irritating to be honest. Even Artosis/Tasteless/Day9 get a lot of hate lately... I just think with the release of WoL the community as a whole became a lot younger than it used to be during BW times. Well and young people tend to be vocal while the old BW veteran just mutes the stream if he gets annoyed and that's it. Today you get 10 whine threads on TL and 50 on reddit about minor stuff which doesn't really bother the oldies. Everyone gets a lot of hate it's impossible not to. | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
On September 05 2012 04:28 how2TL wrote: You "barely" watch OSL and yet you have such a strong opinion. Seems more like you just enjoy hating someone and encouraging others to do so. That's pretty toxic. But seriously, no more of these threads please. Its not that i enjoy "hating" someone, as i said, it doesn't bother me "personally" for that exact reason. But the OP was getting on a high horse saying "why moletrap is a blooming rose" in a 3 page long post. Thus it only fits that my answer isn't " I don't like his casting that much and i think he isn't putting effort into improving" but rather a few paragraphs where i explain why i believe it to be that way. ( rather poorly, I must say, but than again English is not my first language and this is an international forum ) And again, as i said in the first post, I really think that this is an issue that should be talked about. I fell like GSL code A suffered a little bit from not having better casters and OSL might suffer as well. Do I not have the right to give my 2cents about the quality of a product if i don't "consume" it as often as other similar products ? Also, i might have been "pretty toxic" in my first post,tho I fell like you might just look at the "size" of it and fell that way but the conclusion was: There are a lot of online cups or smaller LANs, cast those I never said he shouldn't cast, i only said that he shouldn't be given the job of a "tip top" caster when he still isn't quite "tip top". | ||
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josephmcjoe
United States57 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
P.S. Fuck kespa for paying little attention to the foreign BW scene. | ||
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Dragar
United Kingdom971 Posts
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
On September 05 2012 02:34 Zandar wrote: "I think this and most others too so it's true" Well.... no. If I learned anything about what "most others" / "the majority" thinks, for example by - seeing what incredible crap tv programs are most popular - more people playing lol than sc2 - the witchhunt sponsor contacting low lifes forcing their morale upon the entire community - political candidates judged more by 1 tv performance than their political views and leadership capabilities. that you should not care too much about what "the majority" thinks or wants, because it's usually quite crappy. Seeing as how the vast majority of SC2 players didn't follow BW, it's not exactly a controversial statement. It doesn't really matter to me what Moletrap did or didn't do years ago in another game. I appreciate what he's done to the scene, but he needs to work on today. To be fair, he seems to be improving. I'm not giving him up yet, but he's had a lot of time. He needs to at least know the game. Perhaps this OSL/Kespa thing will get him back in the groove. | ||
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FrigolitH
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ggahSoO
United States191 Posts
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