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Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 14:34:33
September 04 2012 14:31 GMT
#1
With Moletrap currently casting the OSL, there has been lots of threads regarding him (the what makes a good caster thread, the Moletrap feedback thread, and the Grubby thread has lots of Moletrap talk).

What none of these threads really talk about is Moletrap's BW commentaries.

I think it's unfair that Moletrap gets a lot of negative feedback (some a bit too far) regarding his casting in general mainly because he did so well in BW, and a lot of people don't give him credit for that (and support for his SC2 transition). Of course, how he casts in SC2 is what matters now (not what he did in the past) but I'd still like to mention his BW casts as he did a lot for the community back then + he was really good as a caster too.

Also, a lot talk about what Moletrap lacks as a caster for SC2 but what I want to talk about is what Moletrap "lost" from his transition from BW to SC2.

I'll link to a few videos of Moletrap and comment on some things.

Video #1:
Moletrap and Klazart casting that infamous MSL Flash vs Jaedong Finals:

(Also they start talking about the game around a minute in)


(Also Moletrap's thought on Jaedong given the win at around 24 minutes and 30 seconds.)

As you can see in the video (they start talking about the game instead of the players a minute in), Moletrap is much better in BW than in SC2 (especially with co casting).

Moletrap was good in BW. He knew all the players, he knew most of the strategies, he basically knew most of the stuff needed to cast BW.

Moletrap was spot on. Mentioning and memorizing the builds Flash and Jaedong used. Mentioning how Jaedong shouldn't have did the guardian strategy against Flash because he should have seen the game where other Zergs used it and failed. Finally, his analysis on giving Jaedong the win due to the power outage mid game. He says that it was unfair to Flash since he still had a chance but he says if they had a rematched, it would be also unfair to Jaedong too (especially if in the rematch Jaedong lost because he had an advantage (see Parting vs MKP disconnect debate for example)).

Video #2:
Flash vs Jaedong 4set @ GomMSLs4 Ro8
Highlight
- at 3:15 mark Moletrap predicts that Jaedong will be able to fight off Flash's SCV + Marine + Bunker rush. It may not be an amazing prediction but it shows that Moletrap knows BW well enough to know when certain rushes may or may not work. (Speaking of that, the real commentary of the game starts about that time too, at 3:15 minutes. Before that, he mostly just talks about the players.)


(Also note in that game and in other games in general in BW, he rarely talks bad or calls out any players at least in a real negative fashion. In that game, he mostly praised Jaedong rather than negatively criticize Flash.

Video #3:
July vs Idra @ MSL Offline Prelims (Part 1 of 2)

Highlight #1 - At the 3 minute mark, Moletrap explains how he figured out Idra was playing in this game (also states he knows some Korean). Again, this is just shows he really put effort into his BW casts.

(Also yes, he pronounces Idra's name wrong but a lot of people make that mistake with his name.)

Highlight #2 - At 3:40, Moletrap talks about Idra's build (prediction is mostly spot on).
Besides those, Moletrap's commentary was spot on for the most part.


(Also here's part 2 of that game)


I can dig up more games but I think these videos are enough (especially the Moletrap and Klazart one and the Idra vs July one; the game with Flash vs Jaedong was kind of short and one sided to really show much from Moletrap).

The point I want to make is that Moletrap was much better in BW than in SC2. It's not what Moletrap lacks as a caster but what he lost from his transition to SC2.

Sure Moletrap wasn't the best BW caster but he was definitely good (in fact, most people loved him in BW; few if any criticized or disliked him in BW). There were some people who didn't like him in BW but those were the minority (really the minority).

So overall (the points I want to make with these videos):
1. Good with co casting (never really cut off co casters). See the first game with Klazart and Moletrap. In fact, I also remember a triple commentary where he excused himself before talking over his co casters to mention one specific thing (then he excused himself afterwards). (Though sadly, I forgot which game it was and haven't been able to find it.)

2. Knew most of the builds and the players (first game is also a good highlight).

3. Made the right calls (usually).

4. Never really negatively bashed or criticized any players (praise was often given, as seen in the Flash vs Jaedong game GomMSL game and the Idra vs July game).

5. Not exactly shown in the video but he did take feedback from people (mostly from either youtube comments or his TL thread).

Moletrap isn't doing as well in SC2 but why is that? 1. He might not be interested in SC2 as in BW (which would be disappointing but it's not too late to fix). 2. I also can imagine him being pressured with live casting (as all his BW casts were from his home, so maybe he just doesn't have the same atmosphere or environment that helps him cast when live casting). 3. Finally, none of his old co casting buddies (Diggity, Klazart, etc) are here in SC2. Of course, he can make new buddies but it still might not be the same which may affect how he co casts.

Out of the three reasons why Moletrap may not be doing well, I think #1 and #2 are the likely factors. The question is, how can we remedy that? Sure it's his job (literally) to take care of those problems for casting in SC2, but maybe if he can get a bit more support, he may do better.

He definitely has the potential to be good. I hope after seeing all these videos, people can give Moletrap some more support and less negativity because he has the potential to be great in SC2 + he did a lot for the community by casting in BW (again. he was one of the most beloved BW casters).
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xgtx
Profile Joined February 2009
227 Posts
September 04 2012 14:46 GMT
#2
his cast with grubby wasnt that bad
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
September 04 2012 14:49 GMT
#3
Honestly he just needs to play the dam game. Casting without spending a lot of hours playing the game makes you a bad caster. Just look at Tod, cloud and the other pros. Almost all pros are good casters. hell some will probably rank in the top 3 casters (aka grubby or idra for others). Most pros aren't even very articulate but when they talk, they dam well know what they are talking about.


so thats my advice for moletrap, play the game!
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 14:52:20
September 04 2012 14:52 GMT
#4
i think hes quite decent, nothing special like Tastosis with their feelings etc. You can tell when tastosis casts that they have the passion and the years behind them playing it competitively and the knowledge which gives them an edge in commentary. Same with IdrA and incontrol casting together also shows their passion and all these years spending playing this game and watching it. it helps a lot
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Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
September 04 2012 14:52 GMT
#5
I don't really care about his BW casting anymore, and most others (especially those critical) don't either.

If he can't learn SC2, he needs to stick to play-by-play.
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 14:54:17
September 04 2012 14:53 GMT
#6
Sure Moletrap wasn't the best BW caster but he was definitely good (in fact, most people loved him in BW; few if any criticized or disliked him in BW). There were some people who didn't like him in BW but those were the minority (really the minority).

This is a stretch because even Klazart got hate back in the day for his game knowledge not being up to par.
I think the BW community was just so conditioned to not expect jack shit from Blizzard and Kespa that anything, even shitty VODs with no English commentary and 240p quality was welcomed with open arms (which should be the case because over 5 years of watching BW, I know I never dropped a dime).

With SC2, you have a bunch of tournament organizers coming out and wooing the audience so everyone has an inflated sense of self-worth, hence the bitching even for free events.

Idk, times are different now and I really hope Moletrap can win over many of the SC2 fans because it would really suck if he can't find a job after all the work he's put in. If he really doesn't have the passion for SC2 then he should just quit and save himself the headache.
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
September 04 2012 14:54 GMT
#7
On September 04 2012 23:49 sekritzzz wrote:
Honestly he just needs to play the dam game. Casting without spending a lot of hours playing the game makes you a bad caster. Just look at Tod, cloud and the other pros. Almost all pros are good casters. hell some will probably rank in the top 3 casters (aka grubby or idra for others). Most pros aren't even very articulate but when they talk, they dam well know what they are talking about.


so thats my advice for moletrap, play the game!



Ive got to disagree, the majority of pro players AREN'T suited for casting. It's often just blatant analytical with no excitement.
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Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
September 04 2012 15:04 GMT
#8
I think the whole issue with Moletrap is that he doesn't care about SC2. He's a BW commentator who took the odd SC2 job because the guy has to make a living, or so it seems to me. He's also dabbling in LoL, which of course is alright (I don't share the LoL hatred of other people, although I do dislike the game itself, not my cup of tea), but it's one more example of how he's basically a "hired" caster. You can see he's also very passionate about SC1 pros, while not having the words or facts to describe SC2 pros, and apparantly the same is the case when it comes to LoL. He has simply not learned anything about the players, and he hasn't learned anything about the game. I am very certain Moletrap doesn't play a lot of SC2, I doubt he's consistently placed in any league above gold. He might be alright at RTS games (As in, a skilled amateur), but he doesn't practice on ladder I strongly suspect. He doesn't seem to actively seek out vods of tournaments he isn't casting, he doesn't like some casters keep notes or study builds. He has no active interest in this game.

Moletrap is what you get when casters aren't as insanely passionate as we are used to. He's a working man, he puts on his casting suit and when his working day is over, he goes home to watch kodomo anime. I admit I may be wrong about certain things, but I think generally the above is true, and it's basically what you #1 option was as well.

sickkungen
Profile Joined July 2012
Sweden179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 15:21:15
September 04 2012 15:16 GMT
#9
On September 04 2012 23:54 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 23:49 sekritzzz wrote:
Honestly he just needs to play the dam game. Casting without spending a lot of hours playing the game makes you a bad caster. Just look at Tod, cloud and the other pros. Almost all pros are good casters. hell some will probably rank in the top 3 casters (aka grubby or idra for others). Most pros aren't even very articulate but when they talk, they dam well know what they are talking about.


so thats my advice for moletrap, play the game!



Ive got to disagree, the majority of pro players AREN'T suited for casting. It's often just blatant analytical with no excitement.

To be honest. I watched the Battle at Ministry of Win and I have to say that Ret's girlfriend seems to mave more insight in the game than most of today's professional casters. That said, she's not a professional player nor a caster. It's damn important to have SOME insight in strategies and builds. It shouldn't take a lot of work to actually get a grip of this if casting is your job.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
September 04 2012 15:20 GMT
#10
On September 05 2012 00:04 Kasaraki wrote:
I think the whole issue with Moletrap is that he doesn't care about SC2. He's a BW commentator who took the odd SC2 job because the guy has to make a living, or so it seems to me. He's also dabbling in LoL, which of course is alright (I don't share the LoL hatred of other people, although I do dislike the game itself, not my cup of tea), but it's one more example of how he's basically a "hired" caster. You can see he's also very passionate about SC1 pros, while not having the words or facts to describe SC2 pros, and apparantly the same is the case when it comes to LoL. He has simply not learned anything about the players, and he hasn't learned anything about the game. I am very certain Moletrap doesn't play a lot of SC2, I doubt he's consistently placed in any league above gold. He might be alright at RTS games (As in, a skilled amateur), but he doesn't practice on ladder I strongly suspect. He doesn't seem to actively seek out vods of tournaments he isn't casting, he doesn't like some casters keep notes or study builds. He has no active interest in this game.

Moletrap is what you get when casters aren't as insanely passionate as we are used to. He's a working man, he puts on his casting suit and when his working day is over, he goes home to watch kodomo anime. I admit I may be wrong about certain things, but I think generally the above is true, and it's basically what you #1 option was as well.



You couldn`t be more wrong about his passion. Firstly he isn`t just taking this job in korea because he has to make a living. He mentioned in an interview he was working on building boats or some shit before this and would continue to do that again if this fails. You don`t just drop a job then go to korea because you lack passion. Also he does a lot of things for the community like hanging around the code A qualifiers to give us results when very few others were (Khaldor also). People find out that SKT1 is selling jerseys in korea and he goes to their manager to try to ask if they can sell it internationally. Excuse me but isnt this what people love about Artosis? He does things outside of casting as well.

I am not a huge fan of Moletrap, but to say he isn`t passionate is silly.
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
September 04 2012 15:23 GMT
#11
It seems like the more threads you guys create about him, the more he gets bashed for his casting..
RinconH
Profile Joined April 2010
United States512 Posts
September 04 2012 15:25 GMT
#12
Why does it matter that he was a good BW caster?

He is casting SC2 now and he's no good at it. He has no conception of the strategies and hasn't taken the time to educate himself on player styles or bios.

Added to the fact that he hasn't been blessed with other advantages that can help a commentator (good casting voice, appearance etc), I don't see how he has the job other than that he happens to be in Korea.

Khlador is a great example of a guy who went out and educated himself about the game and players and is a much better caster for it (despite not being a "natural" caster or a high level player).
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
September 04 2012 15:27 GMT
#13
I think he's passionate about e-sports, but I don't think he's passionate about SC2 specifically, and I am 100% sure that his biggest passion is BW and not SC2. I may be underestimating him, and I won't claim what I am saying is fact. It was just a guess of mine, and I do still think you didn't disprove my theory. He's really into e-sports, that much is clear, but I don't think he's as into SC2 as he should be if he were to become as good a caster as any of the current GSL casters.
freeshooter
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States477 Posts
September 04 2012 15:31 GMT
#14
Great examples, moletrap was amazing in his BW casts. Really needed to be said against the haters. I was just a horrible player in BW and had no understanding of the game, but watching moletrap over the years made me a fan of BW and had me get a somewhat decent understanding of what was happening in my monitor. His analysis of the build orders, strategies and mindset of the players plus him looking up stats on TLPD was spot on.

Watch these videos and shut your bashing on moletrap, he doesn't warrant any negativity.
Enel
Profile Joined April 2012
Sudan430 Posts
September 04 2012 16:11 GMT
#15
i always liked moletrap when he was at gomtv and will be watching OSL with him and grubby
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mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
September 04 2012 16:13 GMT
#16
Moletrap is pretty decent tbh, people just like to have someone to shit on though
Motiva
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1774 Posts
September 04 2012 16:28 GMT
#17
I agree, and was thinking the same thing recently as OP. His casting in 2008-2009 was superior to his 2011-2012 casting by far. It's strange cause I don't think he was any better at BW than he likely is at SC2.

It's a shame cause I'm a fan and have defended him numerous times in numerous threads, but I thought his recent OSL solo cast was painful to listen to. I hope he turns it around, I'm still a fan and all
Shocae
Profile Joined August 2010
United States141 Posts
September 04 2012 16:33 GMT
#18
I'm not a moletrap believer, but for those who are, you should probably stop creating these threads as it just attracts all the people who dislike his casting and want to be vocal about it once again. Food for thought. I just picture myself being moletrap and checking teamliquid to find another damn thread about his casting abilities lol.
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Lightswarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada966 Posts
September 04 2012 16:34 GMT
#19
you have to mention his dedication when casting july vs best. casting from his car at 4am leeching internet from the school library
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therockmanxx
Profile Joined July 2010
Peru1174 Posts
September 04 2012 16:37 GMT
#20
because we are in the golden age of SC anymore......
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Dante_A_
Profile Joined September 2010
United States161 Posts
September 04 2012 16:48 GMT
#21
I'm not sure why his former casting matters currently. He has been casting SC2 for long enough that he should have been able to improve to a level that the community finds enjoyable. He still has issues calling battles, and it feels like hes reacting to what he sees on the screen instead of anticipating it. This may be from a lack of understanding of gameflow that comes with not enough playtime.

The best current casters make the game fun to watch and add drama and excitement. I just don't get that from Moletrap. It isn't a personal attack, and he seems like a nice guy. A lot of people feel that way, and I assume its why no foreign leagues invite him to cast. Guys like Bitterdam, Apollo, Tastosis and Wolfdor have set the bar too high.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
September 04 2012 16:53 GMT
#22
On September 05 2012 00:04 Kasaraki wrote:

Moletrap is what you get when casters aren't as insanely passionate as we are used to. He's a working man, he puts on his casting suit and when his working day is over, he goes home to watch kodomo anime. I admit I may be wrong about certain things, but I think generally the above is true, and it's basically what you #1 option was as well.


Huh.

I guess he was lying to me when he said we should interview/translate at the OSL/WCS/WCG Preliminaries, instead of taking a break at home for the day. I guess he isn't passionate enough to wait 8 hours just to grab 4 people to interview, stating that we should have gotten more. I guess he doesn't give a crap about the foreign fans when he walked up to the SKT T1 coach to ask him about international sales of their jerseys.
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MapleFractal
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada307 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 16:58:13
September 04 2012 16:56 GMT
#23
Dedicated sure... good caster, absolutely not. More oft then not I find myself instantly mute anything he is casting. This is not to just flame him and say he is shit though. I dont think he has the game knowledge to be casting OSL or any High-level Starcraft for that matter. He's lasted this long in esports, I dont see him leaving any time soon... but neither is my mute button :D
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Dante_A_
Profile Joined September 2010
United States161 Posts
September 04 2012 17:00 GMT
#24
I wouldn't question his passion. But why do his BW fans find it so hard when people question his SC2 casting abilities? Pulling up his BW casts isn't as relevant as his GSL casts; I remember him saying probes were about to scout the main base when there were 3 stalkers at the top of the ramp, etc. These are some of the problems that put people off Moletrap, not personal hatred.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
September 04 2012 17:08 GMT
#25
On September 05 2012 02:00 Dante_A_ wrote:
I wouldn't question his passion. But why do his BW fans find it so hard when people question his SC2 casting abilities? Pulling up his BW casts isn't as relevant as his GSL casts; I remember him saying probes were about to scout the main base when there were 3 stalkers at the top of the ramp, etc. These are some of the problems that put people off Moletrap, not personal hatred.

Often times, it becomes a personal hatred because people tend to bandwagon what the community thinks, instead of checking out what's happening themselves.

I'm not saying it applies to you, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to some people, but most people will go with what others have to say about person X.
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PauseBreak
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States270 Posts
September 04 2012 17:16 GMT
#26
Moletrap needs to find some passion again and learn about SC2 like he knew about BW.
He lost his edge, and his game knowledge really isn't all that superb.
AngryMag
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1040 Posts
September 04 2012 17:22 GMT
#27
I don't mind Moletrap' casting.. I find all this "favorite caster" etc. talk a bit irritating to be honest. Even Artosis/Tasteless/Day9 get a lot of hate lately...

I just think with the release of WoL the community as a whole became a lot younger than it used to be during BW times. Well and young people tend to be vocal while the old BW veteran just mutes the stream if he gets annoyed and that's it. Today you get 10 whine threads on TL and 50 on reddit about minor stuff which doesn't really bother the oldies.
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
September 04 2012 17:34 GMT
#28
On September 04 2012 23:52 Mr Showtime wrote:
I don't really care about his BW casting anymore, and most others (especially those critical) don't either.


"I think this and most others too so it's true"

Well.... no.

If I learned anything about what "most others" / "the majority" thinks, for example by

- seeing what incredible crap tv programs are most popular
- more people playing lol than sc2
- the witchhunt sponsor contacting low lifes forcing their morale upon the entire community
- political candidates judged more by 1 tv performance than their political views and leadership capabilities.

that you should not care too much about what "the majority" thinks or wants, because it's usually quite crappy.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
Aterons_toss
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania1275 Posts
September 04 2012 18:17 GMT
#29
Why give a guy credit if he doesn't try to improve ?

I hate him as "play by play" caster since i don't like his voice and how he changes from whispering to screaming and all that in that very annoying high pitched tone... day9 does that as well but a lot of people don't seem to mind it, so maybe i am alone on this one ? But non the less play by play is a matter of personal opinion and if a lot of people like or don't like that side of his casting it will show and it will determinate how "good" he is at said style.

But as far as analytical goes ? He knows BS about the game, he really doesn't know that much.
There are caster like HD or day9 that don't go so much "in depth" on the meta game... fine, there are caster like apolo and artosis that will sometime focus on meta game to much that they will look silly.
But moletrap is somewhere in between being bad at both.

I would, mind you, give him a chance based on his BW casting carer if he cared enough as to have an account in high master or grand master, doesn't need to be korea. He can do it on NA or EU, but as far as i am concerned he was around diamond or low master, im sorry WHAT ?

Tasteless which is by role a non analytical caster is high master on korea, roterdam which many time was the more non-analytical in the biterdam duo is grandmaster, not even to mention the analytical casters.
Its not hard to get to high masters, you only need to play enough, even the most skill less person can do it if he plays a few hours a day.

So let me TL;DR

- his analysis is sup bar
- his non-analytical casting doesn't appeal to me and it seems to a lot of other people
- he isn't playing the game enough

Why the fuck should i not be mad that he is casting what is supposed to become the 2nd most important league in the world of sc2 if no the 1st ?
Its not hurting me as much tbh, i barely watch OSL anyway but i am damn sure its hurting them. And with so many good caster out there it seems like a really dumb move.
Maybe Moletrap will improve in 6 months, maybe in 2 years, maybe he will become the best sc2 caster ever... who knows ? But until he at least shows signs of trying i don't see why any non-fan should "support" him as an OSL caster.
There are a lot of online cups or smaller LANs, cast those.
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supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
September 04 2012 19:04 GMT
#30
On September 05 2012 02:22 AngryMag wrote:
I don't mind Moletrap' casting.. I find all this "favorite caster" etc. talk a bit irritating to be honest. Even Artosis/Tasteless/Day9 get a lot of hate lately...

I just think with the release of WoL the community as a whole became a lot younger than it used to be during BW times. Well and young people tend to be vocal while the old BW veteran just mutes the stream if he gets annoyed and that's it. Today you get 10 whine threads on TL and 50 on reddit about minor stuff which doesn't really bother the oldies.

Pitchforks. Don't forget the pitchforks.
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AngryMag
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1040 Posts
September 04 2012 19:18 GMT
#31
On September 05 2012 04:04 supernovamaniac wrote:
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On September 05 2012 02:22 AngryMag wrote:
I don't mind Moletrap' casting.. I find all this "favorite caster" etc. talk a bit irritating to be honest. Even Artosis/Tasteless/Day9 get a lot of hate lately...

I just think with the release of WoL the community as a whole became a lot younger than it used to be during BW times. Well and young people tend to be vocal while the old BW veteran just mutes the stream if he gets annoyed and that's it. Today you get 10 whine threads on TL and 50 on reddit about minor stuff which doesn't really bother the oldies.

Pitchforks. Don't forget the pitchforks.


Oh yeah my fault, I guess Moletrap shouldn't get private sponsorship, his sponsors might get spammed with mails ala "but he said drone will scout, but there were marines on ramp LOL ROFL 11111111"
how2TL
Profile Joined August 2010
1197 Posts
September 04 2012 19:28 GMT
#32
On September 05 2012 03:17 Aterons_toss wrote:
Why give a guy credit if he doesn't try to improve ?

I hate him as "play by play" caster since i don't like his voice and how he changes from whispering to screaming and all that in that very annoying high pitched tone... day9 does that as well but a lot of people don't seem to mind it, so maybe i am alone on this one ? But non the less play by play is a matter of personal opinion and if a lot of people like or don't like that side of his casting it will show and it will determinate how "good" he is at said style.

But as far as analytical goes ? He knows BS about the game, he really doesn't know that much.
There are caster like HD or day9 that don't go so much "in depth" on the meta game... fine, there are caster like apolo and artosis that will sometime focus on meta game to much that they will look silly.
But moletrap is somewhere in between being bad at both.

I would, mind you, give him a chance based on his BW casting carer if he cared enough as to have an account in high master or grand master, doesn't need to be korea. He can do it on NA or EU, but as far as i am concerned he was around diamond or low master, im sorry WHAT ?

Tasteless which is by role a non analytical caster is high master on korea, roterdam which many time was the more non-analytical in the biterdam duo is grandmaster, not even to mention the analytical casters.
Its not hard to get to high masters, you only need to play enough, even the most skill less person can do it if he plays a few hours a day.

So let me TL;DR

- his analysis is sup bar
- his non-analytical casting doesn't appeal to me and it seems to a lot of other people
- he isn't playing the game enough

Why the fuck should i not be mad that he is casting what is supposed to become the 2nd most important league in the world of sc2 if no the 1st ?
Its not hurting me as much tbh, i barely watch OSL anyway but i am damn sure its hurting them. And with so many good caster out there it seems like a really dumb move.
Maybe Moletrap will improve in 6 months, maybe in 2 years, maybe he will become the best sc2 caster ever... who knows ? But until he at least shows signs of trying i don't see why any non-fan should "support" him as an OSL caster.
There are a lot of online cups or smaller LANs, cast those.


You "barely" watch OSL and yet you have such a strong opinion. Seems more like you just enjoy hating someone and encouraging others to do so. That's pretty toxic.

But seriously, no more of these threads please.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
September 04 2012 19:43 GMT
#33
On September 05 2012 02:22 AngryMag wrote:
I don't mind Moletrap' casting.. I find all this "favorite caster" etc. talk a bit irritating to be honest. Even Artosis/Tasteless/Day9 get a lot of hate lately...

I just think with the release of WoL the community as a whole became a lot younger than it used to be during BW times. Well and young people tend to be vocal while the old BW veteran just mutes the stream if he gets annoyed and that's it. Today you get 10 whine threads on TL and 50 on reddit about minor stuff which doesn't really bother the oldies.


Everyone gets a lot of hate it's impossible not to.
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Aterons_toss
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania1275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 19:56:21
September 04 2012 19:54 GMT
#34
On September 05 2012 04:28 how2TL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 03:17 Aterons_toss wrote:
Why give a guy credit if he doesn't try to improve ?

I hate him as "play by play" caster since i don't like his voice and how he changes from whispering to screaming and all that in that very annoying high pitched tone... day9 does that as well but a lot of people don't seem to mind it, so maybe i am alone on this one ? But non the less play by play is a matter of personal opinion and if a lot of people like or don't like that side of his casting it will show and it will determinate how "good" he is at said style.

But as far as analytical goes ? He knows BS about the game, he really doesn't know that much.
There are caster like HD or day9 that don't go so much "in depth" on the meta game... fine, there are caster like apolo and artosis that will sometime focus on meta game to much that they will look silly.
But moletrap is somewhere in between being bad at both.

I would, mind you, give him a chance based on his BW casting carer if he cared enough as to have an account in high master or grand master, doesn't need to be korea. He can do it on NA or EU, but as far as i am concerned he was around diamond or low master, im sorry WHAT ?

Tasteless which is by role a non analytical caster is high master on korea, roterdam which many time was the more non-analytical in the biterdam duo is grandmaster, not even to mention the analytical casters.
Its not hard to get to high masters, you only need to play enough, even the most skill less person can do it if he plays a few hours a day.

So let me TL;DR

- his analysis is sup bar
- his non-analytical casting doesn't appeal to me and it seems to a lot of other people
- he isn't playing the game enough

Why the fuck should i not be mad that he is casting what is supposed to become the 2nd most important league in the world of sc2 if no the 1st ?
Its not hurting me as much tbh, i barely watch OSL anyway but i am damn sure its hurting them. And with so many good caster out there it seems like a really dumb move.
Maybe Moletrap will improve in 6 months, maybe in 2 years, maybe he will become the best sc2 caster ever... who knows ? But until he at least shows signs of trying i don't see why any non-fan should "support" him as an OSL caster.
There are a lot of online cups or smaller LANs, cast those.


You "barely" watch OSL and yet you have such a strong opinion. Seems more like you just enjoy hating someone and encouraging others to do so. That's pretty toxic.

But seriously, no more of these threads please.


Its not that i enjoy "hating" someone, as i said, it doesn't bother me "personally" for that exact reason.
But the OP was getting on a high horse saying "why moletrap is a blooming rose" in a 3 page long post.

Thus it only fits that my answer isn't " I don't like his casting that much and i think he isn't putting effort into improving" but rather a few paragraphs where i explain why i believe it to be that way. ( rather poorly, I must say, but than again English is not my first language and this is an international forum )

And again, as i said in the first post, I really think that this is an issue that should be talked about. I fell like GSL code A suffered a little bit from not having better casters and OSL might suffer as well. Do I not have the right to give my 2cents about the quality of a product if i don't "consume" it as often as other similar products ?

Also, i might have been "pretty toxic" in my first post,tho I fell like you might just look at the "size" of it and fell that way but the conclusion was:
There are a lot of online cups or smaller LANs, cast those

I never said he shouldn't cast, i only said that he shouldn't be given the job of a "tip top" caster when he still isn't quite "tip top".

A good strategy means leaving your opponent room to make mistakes
josephmcjoe
Profile Joined October 2009
United States57 Posts
September 04 2012 19:56 GMT
#35
Wow, do I miss Klazart. Best caster I've ever heard.
"This guy is the Bob Ross of adept shading: a little shade here, a little shade there." -Lambo
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 04 2012 21:36 GMT
#36
Oh the other hand, I miss Diggity? Uncertain of the correctness. Whoever spoke in a calm and collective way and had analysis that for exceeded Tasteless + Artosis. Oh man 2009 when EVERY single Brood War games would be casted by 5 or more English casters. Not only that but those casters would be collaborated via VioleTAK for double, triple commentaries. Those were the days man.

P.S. Fuck kespa for paying little attention to the foreign BW scene.
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Dragar
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom971 Posts
September 04 2012 21:46 GMT
#37
I hugely miss Diggity. Someone please tell him to cast again!
Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
September 04 2012 21:52 GMT
#38
On September 05 2012 02:34 Zandar wrote:
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On September 04 2012 23:52 Mr Showtime wrote:
I don't really care about his BW casting anymore, and most others (especially those critical) don't either.


"I think this and most others too so it's true"

Well.... no.

If I learned anything about what "most others" / "the majority" thinks, for example by

- seeing what incredible crap tv programs are most popular
- more people playing lol than sc2
- the witchhunt sponsor contacting low lifes forcing their morale upon the entire community
- political candidates judged more by 1 tv performance than their political views and leadership capabilities.

that you should not care too much about what "the majority" thinks or wants, because it's usually quite crappy.



Seeing as how the vast majority of SC2 players didn't follow BW, it's not exactly a controversial statement. It doesn't really matter to me what Moletrap did or didn't do years ago in another game. I appreciate what he's done to the scene, but he needs to work on today. To be fair, he seems to be improving. I'm not giving him up yet, but he's had a lot of time. He needs to at least know the game. Perhaps this OSL/Kespa thing will get him back in the groove.
FrigolitH
Profile Joined September 2011
134 Posts
September 04 2012 21:53 GMT
#39
Have to admit that I enjoyed Moletrap much more in BW. Perhaps he hasn't got the same amount of passion for SC2. Too bad :/
ggahSoO
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States191 Posts
September 04 2012 21:54 GMT
#40
Maybe moletrap just lost his passion like tasteless did
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antifan
Profile Joined August 2012
116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 22:07:49
September 04 2012 22:05 GMT
#41
Moletrap is a good caster
oZe
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden492 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 22:10:42
September 04 2012 22:09 GMT
#42
Judging by the amount of hate moletrap gets. He must be doing something right ;-) Worthless people never get any hate, mundanes pay no attention to them... Could it be that you see him rollin' and you hating?

People with nothing better to do than hate a guy on Internet/TV seriously need to examine their lives ^^ I bet these are the same people who call me gay/tell me they hope my mother gets cancer etc when I take their ladder points ;-)

I also bet these people would STFU smile and shake hands if they ever got to talk to him in person.

Moletrap for e-president! He's not my favorite he's not even top 5 but he doesn't bother me one bit. Because I've stared in to the abyss of frustration playing poker and living life. That gunrun guy would warrant 100 times more hate threads. I even think he made me post some hate. Nobodys perfect, especially me ;-)
The worst kinds of organized crime are religion & government.
starception
Profile Joined August 2012
205 Posts
September 04 2012 22:19 GMT
#43
moletrap is a top 3 caster in both sc2 and bw. his casting is both entertaining and provides knowledge to the game that is equal to or higher than the likes of artosis apollo or day9. his insight and knowledge of bw and sc2 is very deep, he makes calls correctly 100% of the time, with ogn and gom and he has that golden voice that gives people a pleasant sounding cast whenever they listen to him...eargasms. like most successful people, he gets hate because people are jealous of his skill and hard work. moletrap is one of the best, if not the best caster this industry has to offer. i dont know why foreign events just dont book him for more tournaments as he will get more tickets for live events as well as more views for the tournament stream. i have never seen a bad moletrap cast
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