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On August 31 2012 04:24 Bellygareth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 04:15 Ntwadumela wrote:
I think its funny Destiny got kicked from a team that consisted primarily of his friends.
Pretty sad the kid can't hold a job. Kicked from the restaurant business, kicked from every team hes been on.
Delinquent father. Poor guy.. Huh Destiny didn't break the law. However bluetea definitly did. My first sentence doesn't excuse Destiny's actions. However the second makes Bluetea the delinquant that got away with it really surprisingly well. I think people should slow down a bit here. They are a bit quick to judge...
Can you source the law that was broken?
Genuinely interested considering how much of a "Grey Area" this entire situation seems to be, in regards to the rule of law, especially when you factor in the different locations. Then again maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the "law" here is not so clear cut as you would lead people to believe.
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On August 31 2012 04:26 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 04:24 Bellygareth wrote:On August 31 2012 04:15 Ntwadumela wrote:
I think its funny Destiny got kicked from a team that consisted primarily of his friends.
Pretty sad the kid can't hold a job. Kicked from the restaurant business, kicked from every team hes been on.
Delinquent father. Poor guy.. Huh Destiny didn't break the law. However bluetea definitly did. My first sentence doesn't excuse Destiny's actions. However the second makes Bluetea the delinquant that got away with it really surprisingly well. I think people should slow down a bit here. They are a bit quick to judge... Can you source the law that was broken? Genuinely interested considering how much of a "Grey Area" this entire situation seems to be, in regards to the rule of law, especially when you factor in the different locations. Then again maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the "law" here is not so clear cut as you would lead people to believe.
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.33.htm
Look under impersonation. It's actually a pretty big offense also in Europe with almost the same terms.
I'll quote it to make it simple. What is written seems really really clear to me contrary to what you're saying :
ONLINE IMPERSONATION. (a) A person commits an offense if the person, without obtaining the other person's consent and with the intent to harm, defraud, intimidate, or threaten any person, uses the name or persona of another person to:
(1) create a web page on a commercial social networking site or other Internet website; or
(2) post or send one or more messages on or through a commercial social networking site or other Internet website, other than on or through an electronic mail program or message board program.
(b) A person commits an offense if the person sends an electronic mail, instant message, text message, or similar communication that references a name, domain address, phone number, or other item of identifying information belonging to any person:
(1) without obtaining the other person's consent;
(2) with the intent to cause a recipient of the communication to reasonably believe that the other person authorized or transmitted the communication; and
(3) with the intent to harm or defraud any person.
(c) An offense under Subsection (a) is a felony of the third degree. An offense under Subsection (b) is a Class A misdemeanor, except that the offense is a felony of the third degree if the actor commits the offense with the intent to solicit a response by emergency personnel.
(d) If conduct that constitutes an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under any other law, the actor may be prosecuted under this section, the other law, or both.
(e) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the actor is any of the following entities or that the actor's conduct consisted solely of action taken as an employee of any of the following entities:
(1) a commercial social networking site;
(2) an Internet service provider;
(3) an interactive computer service, as defined by 47 U.S.C. Section 230;
(4) a telecommunications provider, as defined by Section 51.002, Utilities Code; or
(5) a video service provider or cable service provider, as defined by Section 66.002, Utilities Code.
(f) In this section:
(1) "Commercial social networking site" means any business, organization, or other similar entity operating a website that permits persons to become registered users for the purpose of establishing personal relationships with other users through direct or real-time communication with other users or the creation of web pages or profiles available to the public or to other users. The term does not include an electronic mail program or a message board program.
(2) "Identifying information" has the meaning assigned by Section 32.51.
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This dumela kid seriously has sand in his vagina. Did destiny fuck your mom? Why so malicious?
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she hacked his twitter/skype/etc. whatever. thats against the law.
yes, i know she had his email password. but she had that only. she used it to hack his other shit.
google larry mendte, the news anchor who hacked his co-workers account. dude got a felony.
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On August 31 2012 04:25 Ntwadumela wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 04:24 divito wrote:On August 31 2012 04:19 Ntwadumela wrote:
I guess thats why hes living so large then, huh? LOL!!! What exactly is your definition of "living large?" Not living out of your girlfriends apartment.
take it you never moved in with a girlfriend
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On August 31 2012 04:30 JimSocks wrote:
she hacked his twitter/skype/etc. whatever. thats against the law.
yes, i know she had his email password. but she had that only. she used it to hack his other shit.
The fact that she had the password has nothing to do with the law itself actually. It's not the means it's the intent to harm and consent.
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well, in america, you can get a felony for it.
google larry mendte.
guy is fighting 3 years probation for hacking/releasing his co-anchor bikini pics
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On August 31 2012 04:26 bonifaceviii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 04:24 Myt wrote:
I really don't get this hole discussion.
Destiny showed some nude pictures to his friends. Not the finest move and quite frankly, to me this seem to be childish bragging. The girl finds out and decide to get back on him including a much bigger audiance. Also not a fine move and as well a bit childish but hey, she is young and probably pretty hurt so I can comprehand her move too. Root fears for their future development and decides to make a cut, also unterstandable.
What I find interessting is the reaction of the comunity. Why is this such ab big deal to the public that Root and their sponsors needed to deal with this? To me this seems to be highschoolcrap between two probably not very mature people which should not bother anybody besides the people involved, but what do we get? 100+ pages arguing about who is more to blame, destiny or the girl. Imo the answer is easy, both are, but again, why would anyone not involved care about their exchange? I really don't get it. Sponsors don't like fielding emails about pictures of penises. Basically that's the crux of this whole thing.
as I said, I understand the reaction of Root and the sponsors. This is a big thing with potentially a lot of bad attention that could fall back on them. What I don't get is why this is a big thing.
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On August 31 2012 04:28 Bellygareth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 04:26 Leth0 wrote:On August 31 2012 04:24 Bellygareth wrote:On August 31 2012 04:15 Ntwadumela wrote:
I think its funny Destiny got kicked from a team that consisted primarily of his friends.
Pretty sad the kid can't hold a job. Kicked from the restaurant business, kicked from every team hes been on.
Delinquent father. Poor guy.. Huh Destiny didn't break the law. However bluetea definitly did. My first sentence doesn't excuse Destiny's actions. However the second makes Bluetea the delinquant that got away with it really surprisingly well. I think people should slow down a bit here. They are a bit quick to judge... Can you source the law that was broken? Genuinely interested considering how much of a "Grey Area" this entire situation seems to be, in regards to the rule of law, especially when you factor in the different locations. Then again maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the "law" here is not so clear cut as you would lead people to believe. http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.33.htm .
texas state law doesnt apply to either (a) where Destiny is living or (b) where bluefish is living.
Realistically there must be some federal law she might have broken, but even if she did, that is only half the battle. The local prosecutor would still have to care enough to press charges against her.
Destiny might have a civil case law against her for damages, but it would be hard to quantify how much he 'lost' because of ROOT since I assume they didnt pay him a salary? And if he cant show that his viewership on the stream dropped -- which I highly doubt it did -- then he has to go for some sort of nebulous damages re: his reputation. And courts generally dont care about that kind of stuff, and a judge will especially find it hard to understand what it is exactly that Destiny is/his business model.
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On August 31 2012 04:31 Bellygareth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 04:30 JimSocks wrote:
she hacked his twitter/skype/etc. whatever. thats against the law.
yes, i know she had his email password. but she had that only. she used it to hack his other shit. The fact that she had the password has nothing to do with the law itself actually. It's not the means it's the intent to harm and consent.
He gave her his password, That can be seen as giving her permission. The law you quoted says
A person commits an offense if the person, without obtaining the other person's consent and with the intent to harm, defraud, intimidate, or threaten any person, uses the name or persona of another person to
Which reads to me like both criteria need to be met.
Also the person above me makes another point that I forgot even though I mentioned it in my first post. Their locations matter.
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bro, she only had email password. she hacked his other shit (twitter, skype passwords whatever.)
edit: i do think it would be stupid for destiny to take it any further though. it would just make him look like an asshole even more. just drop it. Us sc2 fans don't care about a penis pic. keep streaming.
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On August 31 2012 04:36 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 04:28 Bellygareth wrote:On August 31 2012 04:26 Leth0 wrote:On August 31 2012 04:24 Bellygareth wrote:On August 31 2012 04:15 Ntwadumela wrote:
I think its funny Destiny got kicked from a team that consisted primarily of his friends.
Pretty sad the kid can't hold a job. Kicked from the restaurant business, kicked from every team hes been on.
Delinquent father. Poor guy.. Huh Destiny didn't break the law. However bluetea definitly did. My first sentence doesn't excuse Destiny's actions. However the second makes Bluetea the delinquant that got away with it really surprisingly well. I think people should slow down a bit here. They are a bit quick to judge... Can you source the law that was broken? Genuinely interested considering how much of a "Grey Area" this entire situation seems to be, in regards to the rule of law, especially when you factor in the different locations. Then again maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the "law" here is not so clear cut as you would lead people to believe. http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.33.htm . texas state law doesnt apply to either (a) where Destiny is living or (b) where bluefish is living. Realistically there must be some federal law she might have broken, but even if she did, that is only half the battle. The local prosecutor would still have to care enough to press charges against her. Destiny might have a civil case law against her for damages, but it would be hard to quantify how much he 'lost' because of ROOT since I assume they didnt pay him a salary? And if he cant show that his viewership on the stream dropped -- which I highly doubt it did -- then he has to go for some sort of nebulous damages re: his reputation. And courts generally dont care about that kind of stuff, and a judge will especially find it hard to understand what it is exactly that Destiny is/his business model.
I'm sure there's the same law everywhere in the states. Search for impersonation, felony and USA should be able to cover it all if I cared to look. Also I'm not arguing whether or not he has a case. I'm just saying that he's not the law breaker here.
On August 31 2012 04:37 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 04:31 Bellygareth wrote:On August 31 2012 04:30 JimSocks wrote:
she hacked his twitter/skype/etc. whatever. thats against the law.
yes, i know she had his email password. but she had that only. she used it to hack his other shit. The fact that she had the password has nothing to do with the law itself actually. It's not the means it's the intent to harm and consent. He gave her his password, That can be seen as giving her permission. The law you quoted says A person commits an offense if the person, without obtaining the other person's consent and with the intent to harm, defraud, intimidate, or threaten any person, uses the name or persona of another person to Which reads to me like both criteria need to be met. Also the person above me makes another point that I forgot even though I mentioned it in my first post. Their locations matter.
Consent given for one task cannot be extended to another. She could have had admin passwords of everything wouldn't change the fact that he certainly didn't give her the consent to use his twitter to post his dick under his persona.
That's also why if you're system admin in a company or if someone let's you fix their pc or whatever, you still don't have their consent to post under their name.
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Well, now ROOT has space for a new controversial player to bring in viewers...
how about Naniwa 
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On August 31 2012 04:39 Bellygareth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 04:36 Sub40APM wrote:On August 31 2012 04:28 Bellygareth wrote:On August 31 2012 04:26 Leth0 wrote:On August 31 2012 04:24 Bellygareth wrote:On August 31 2012 04:15 Ntwadumela wrote:
I think its funny Destiny got kicked from a team that consisted primarily of his friends.
Pretty sad the kid can't hold a job. Kicked from the restaurant business, kicked from every team hes been on.
Delinquent father. Poor guy.. Huh Destiny didn't break the law. However bluetea definitly did. My first sentence doesn't excuse Destiny's actions. However the second makes Bluetea the delinquant that got away with it really surprisingly well. I think people should slow down a bit here. They are a bit quick to judge... Can you source the law that was broken? Genuinely interested considering how much of a "Grey Area" this entire situation seems to be, in regards to the rule of law, especially when you factor in the different locations. Then again maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the "law" here is not so clear cut as you would lead people to believe. http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.33.htm . texas state law doesnt apply to either (a) where Destiny is living or (b) where bluefish is living. Realistically there must be some federal law she might have broken, but even if she did, that is only half the battle. The local prosecutor would still have to care enough to press charges against her. Destiny might have a civil case law against her for damages, but it would be hard to quantify how much he 'lost' because of ROOT since I assume they didnt pay him a salary? And if he cant show that his viewership on the stream dropped -- which I highly doubt it did -- then he has to go for some sort of nebulous damages re: his reputation. And courts generally dont care about that kind of stuff, and a judge will especially find it hard to understand what it is exactly that Destiny is/his business model. I'm sure there's the same law everywhere in the states. Search for impersonation, felony and USA should be able to cover it all if I cared to look. Also I'm not arguing whether or not he has a case. I'm just saying that he's not the law breaker here.
You can never be sure, state laws differ for a reason.
But I am also unsure whether she doesnt have a case re him forwarding around her photos either.
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On August 31 2012 04:30 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 04:25 Ntwadumela wrote:On August 31 2012 04:24 divito wrote:On August 31 2012 04:19 Ntwadumela wrote:
I guess thats why hes living so large then, huh? LOL!!! What exactly is your definition of "living large?" Not living out of your girlfriends apartment. take it you never moved in with a girlfriend
This is relatively unrelated but...
You're not helping either the situation or your organization. The internet has a million trolls and it's best to just ignore them. I get that you're trying to defend your former teammate/friend, and that's noble enough, or maybe you like being a troll too, it doesn't really matter.
Responding to children with equally childish behavior typically makes you look far dumber.
Better take the high road especially when it comes down to threads like this. Most people have 10% of the intelligence, context, facts, and common sense to make cogent and meaningful posts.
Speaking of which, I can't believe I even bothered posting... sigh..
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On August 31 2012 04:40 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 04:39 Bellygareth wrote:On August 31 2012 04:36 Sub40APM wrote:On August 31 2012 04:28 Bellygareth wrote:On August 31 2012 04:26 Leth0 wrote:On August 31 2012 04:24 Bellygareth wrote:On August 31 2012 04:15 Ntwadumela wrote:
I think its funny Destiny got kicked from a team that consisted primarily of his friends.
Pretty sad the kid can't hold a job. Kicked from the restaurant business, kicked from every team hes been on.
Delinquent father. Poor guy.. Huh Destiny didn't break the law. However bluetea definitly did. My first sentence doesn't excuse Destiny's actions. However the second makes Bluetea the delinquant that got away with it really surprisingly well. I think people should slow down a bit here. They are a bit quick to judge... Can you source the law that was broken? Genuinely interested considering how much of a "Grey Area" this entire situation seems to be, in regards to the rule of law, especially when you factor in the different locations. Then again maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the "law" here is not so clear cut as you would lead people to believe. http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.33.htm . texas state law doesnt apply to either (a) where Destiny is living or (b) where bluefish is living. Realistically there must be some federal law she might have broken, but even if she did, that is only half the battle. The local prosecutor would still have to care enough to press charges against her. Destiny might have a civil case law against her for damages, but it would be hard to quantify how much he 'lost' because of ROOT since I assume they didnt pay him a salary? And if he cant show that his viewership on the stream dropped -- which I highly doubt it did -- then he has to go for some sort of nebulous damages re: his reputation. And courts generally dont care about that kind of stuff, and a judge will especially find it hard to understand what it is exactly that Destiny is/his business model. I'm sure there's the same law everywhere in the states. Search for impersonation, felony and USA should be able to cover it all if I cared to look. Also I'm not arguing whether or not he has a case. I'm just saying that he's not the law breaker here. You can never be sure, state laws differ for a reason. But I am also unsure whether she doesnt have a case re him forwarding around her photos either.
On this particular law I'm 95% sure it's everywhere. It might change on details but not on the actual content. For instance it might fall under a less specific law around impersonation.
On the second topic, maybe but that's not impersonation and that's not under the same law at all (also not related at all to my field of expertise, although online impersonation definitly is).
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My bottom line on the whole thing is this is ridiculous drama that doesn't need to be brought into the community. In law a woman does have a right to protect her body.. However this law is trumped when she willingly shows her body in public or through media. She She had to have known that at some point these pictures would see more than just his eyes. On her end the whole idea that was put out about underage girls and all of that is slanderous and false. If he admitted to getting some pictures from an underage girl than so be it. That's no fault of his, he didn't ask for them and he can't tell people not to send him pictures.
Were so happy about how far we've come as a community with our players, our coverage, and the name we've spread for ourselves, bluetea herself is a player so she's destroying the thing that she loves? I'm sorry a picture of hers got shown to two people IN CONFIDENCE and word got out it was shown. But for her to act as she did and immediately go behind peoples backs to tear down destiny isn't just against him. Now she's making a bad name for our community and all we've gained can go in the garbage by childish antics that she's pulled.
I I understand what root had to do and that every bit of it was against how they wanted to handle the situation. The sponsors support the players but they don't need to be a active part of the personal lives of the players. Do we really want to get the bad name such as players in football and other major sports that would cause our players to somewhat resent the community that supports them merely for the chance that one instance can ruin their career like this. I think there needs to be repercussions to her and that destiny shouldn't get away with no punishment, his actions were negative to a degree but nothing so horrible that he should be let go from a team that he not only helped come back but truly loved that much to always be a part of.
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On August 31 2012 04:42 GloPikkle wrote:
This is relatively unrelated but...
You're not helping either the situation or your organization. The internet has a million trolls and it's best to just ignore them. I get that you're trying to defend your former teammate/friend, and that's noble enough, or maybe you like being a troll too, it doesn't really matter.
Responding to children with equally childish behavior typically makes you look far dumber.
Better take the high road especially when it comes down to threads like this. Most people have 10% of the intelligence, context, facts, and common sense to make cogent and meaningful posts.
Speaking of which, I can't believe I even bothered posting... sigh..
Shouldn't feel that way for responding, you were trying to make a point. And while it's a somewhat valid point, we can't be sure that that kid is a troll. In the event that he's really like he's presenting himself, Fayth is taking more of the position of trying to educate and alter the perception and thinking through the aspect of an internet debate. A lot of people will think it's a waste of time, but then again, we're in a thread that's already over 110 pages.
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On August 31 2012 04:44 Bellygareth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 04:40 Sub40APM wrote:On August 31 2012 04:39 Bellygareth wrote:On August 31 2012 04:36 Sub40APM wrote:On August 31 2012 04:28 Bellygareth wrote:On August 31 2012 04:26 Leth0 wrote:On August 31 2012 04:24 Bellygareth wrote:On August 31 2012 04:15 Ntwadumela wrote:
I think its funny Destiny got kicked from a team that consisted primarily of his friends.
Pretty sad the kid can't hold a job. Kicked from the restaurant business, kicked from every team hes been on.
Delinquent father. Poor guy.. Huh Destiny didn't break the law. However bluetea definitly did. My first sentence doesn't excuse Destiny's actions. However the second makes Bluetea the delinquant that got away with it really surprisingly well. I think people should slow down a bit here. They are a bit quick to judge... Can you source the law that was broken? Genuinely interested considering how much of a "Grey Area" this entire situation seems to be, in regards to the rule of law, especially when you factor in the different locations. Then again maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the "law" here is not so clear cut as you would lead people to believe. http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.33.htm . texas state law doesnt apply to either (a) where Destiny is living or (b) where bluefish is living. Realistically there must be some federal law she might have broken, but even if she did, that is only half the battle. The local prosecutor would still have to care enough to press charges against her. Destiny might have a civil case law against her for damages, but it would be hard to quantify how much he 'lost' because of ROOT since I assume they didnt pay him a salary? And if he cant show that his viewership on the stream dropped -- which I highly doubt it did -- then he has to go for some sort of nebulous damages re: his reputation. And courts generally dont care about that kind of stuff, and a judge will especially find it hard to understand what it is exactly that Destiny is/his business model. I'm sure there's the same law everywhere in the states. Search for impersonation, felony and USA should be able to cover it all if I cared to look. Also I'm not arguing whether or not he has a case. I'm just saying that he's not the law breaker here. You can never be sure, state laws differ for a reason. But I am also unsure whether she doesnt have a case re him forwarding around her photos either. On this particular law I'm 95% sure it's everywhere. It might change on details but not on the actual content. On the second topic, maybe but that's not impersonation and that's not under the same law at all (also not related at all to my field of expertise, although online impersonation definitly is).
At the same time, given all the circumstances that took place with this situation, I doubt you could get a jury to convict BlueTea if she had a decent. At the same time, Destiny could almost certainly try to go after her for some sort of tort case.
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On August 31 2012 04:48 The Final Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 04:44 Bellygareth wrote:On August 31 2012 04:40 Sub40APM wrote:On August 31 2012 04:39 Bellygareth wrote:On August 31 2012 04:36 Sub40APM wrote:On August 31 2012 04:28 Bellygareth wrote:On August 31 2012 04:26 Leth0 wrote:On August 31 2012 04:24 Bellygareth wrote:On August 31 2012 04:15 Ntwadumela wrote:
I think its funny Destiny got kicked from a team that consisted primarily of his friends.
Pretty sad the kid can't hold a job. Kicked from the restaurant business, kicked from every team hes been on.
Delinquent father. Poor guy.. Huh Destiny didn't break the law. However bluetea definitly did. My first sentence doesn't excuse Destiny's actions. However the second makes Bluetea the delinquant that got away with it really surprisingly well. I think people should slow down a bit here. They are a bit quick to judge... Can you source the law that was broken? Genuinely interested considering how much of a "Grey Area" this entire situation seems to be, in regards to the rule of law, especially when you factor in the different locations. Then again maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the "law" here is not so clear cut as you would lead people to believe. http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.33.htm . texas state law doesnt apply to either (a) where Destiny is living or (b) where bluefish is living. Realistically there must be some federal law she might have broken, but even if she did, that is only half the battle. The local prosecutor would still have to care enough to press charges against her. Destiny might have a civil case law against her for damages, but it would be hard to quantify how much he 'lost' because of ROOT since I assume they didnt pay him a salary? And if he cant show that his viewership on the stream dropped -- which I highly doubt it did -- then he has to go for some sort of nebulous damages re: his reputation. And courts generally dont care about that kind of stuff, and a judge will especially find it hard to understand what it is exactly that Destiny is/his business model. I'm sure there's the same law everywhere in the states. Search for impersonation, felony and USA should be able to cover it all if I cared to look. Also I'm not arguing whether or not he has a case. I'm just saying that he's not the law breaker here. You can never be sure, state laws differ for a reason. But I am also unsure whether she doesnt have a case re him forwarding around her photos either. On this particular law I'm 95% sure it's everywhere. It might change on details but not on the actual content. On the second topic, maybe but that's not impersonation and that's not under the same law at all (also not related at all to my field of expertise, although online impersonation definitly is). At the same time, given all the circumstances that took place with this situation, I doubt you could get a jury to convict BlueTea if she had a decent. At the same time, Destiny could almost certainly try to go after her for some sort of tort case.
I don't think he wants to make everything worse than it already is. But i'm still sure that she did something illegal and he could do something about it if he wants to i guess.
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