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On August 29 2012 06:32 mrRoflpwn wrote:
My analysis from not even watching the games is that we should all be afraid of foreign players losing relevancy in their play- why would I watch the average foreigner when I can just turn on a VOD of the OSL or GSL and see someone who is far superior?
And OSL will NOT give out seeds just because you are a foreigner. It requires the player to participate in tournament to earn their place. I doubt we'll see one in the tournament. Which somewhat brings me some nostalgic memories of when idrA was in the OSL prellims.
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Well everyone coming from BW expected this from KeSPa really. And i'm just glad that GOM stood up for themselves this time against Kespa. Like everyone knew that KeSPa pretty much owned everything back in the BW days and they could do pretty much everything they wanted really. I'm just glad something happened this time and that GOM is powerful enough to stand on their own legs.
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On August 29 2012 06:02 Andr3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 05:49 rysecake wrote:On August 29 2012 05:45 mrtomjones wrote:On August 29 2012 05:44 rysecake wrote:On August 29 2012 05:41 mrtomjones wrote:
Oh god dude. lol. Kespa mechanics are NOT better universally. I saw plenty of things that they did wrong or moments when macro slipped. How can you argue that Parting was out micro'd when HE had the harder job to do? Defending those drops and the pressure at the front is harder for the Protoss than the Terran. Drg won because Jangbi was not experienced enough and had nothing to do with superior mechanics on either side although Jangbi made at least 3 bad mechanical errors, I can easily attribute those to a lack of experience since he started SC2 last. Nestea just looked BAD and has been rolled by multiple good and bad Terran players lately so that is not an example of BW mechanics winning. Fantasy's play looked very good with his dropship harass, but he had excess minerals on hand and that strategy hasnt worked against Zerg like that in ages. As for ManZenith vs Flash.. Flash picked a clever build and San decided he could win that without getting Storm which he couldnt, so between the good and the bad San got rolled. I've read some funny things in my time here... Yes kespa mechanics are better universally. It's really not possible for anyone to argue that. What esf players have to their advantage is build orders, timings, how to execute an attack etc. They have experience on their side, not raw hand speed. Wow ignorance at its worst. It is nice to know that literally every BW player has better mechanics than EVERYONE else. So ignorant. It is very possible to argue that but not with someone who has already made up their mind, so I am done here. It's not ignorance, it's truth. You remember mvp in his prime? You remember those mechanics? You seem to forget nestea, drg, and parting are all ex bw players. Remember flash's interview saying nestea was a genius in bw, but he just didn't have the mechanics to execute his brilliance? So the argument is a-team mechanics > b-team mechanics? Yes I think this one is pretty obvious. I'm not saying kespa > gsl players. I'm saying kespa mechanics > gsl mechanics. Plus from your post history it seems pretty blatant you're a hardcore esf fan. Who's talking about bias now? And before you go ahead and call me a bw fanboy, I entered the starcraft scene with sc2. Generally yes, kespa mechanics > esf. And MVP in his prime didn't have insane mechanics as you said, MVP never was a mechanical player...he's super smart and just wins like Nestea. They both arren't that fast, MVP maxes at like 180-190 eapm. But on the other hand you got players like DRG,Hero,Taeja,Supernova who all got 200+ eapm - getting even to 220-230. Mechanics don't even matter all that much, in the recent IEM games Yongwha had an average of ~210 eapm every game and he lost to those pesky EU zergs who have like 170-180. MVP had around ~150-170. Fantasy showed some great multitasking but I think what was more important is that Nestea was having a hard time defending all that.
apm =/= mechanics. Mvp's actions have always been more clean than the majority of sc2 pros. Didn't drg peak at like 600 apm in a game? I remember seeing a screenshot of that. Tell me all of that is useful apm lol
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On August 29 2012 05:45 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 05:44 rysecake wrote:On August 29 2012 05:41 mrtomjones wrote:
Oh god dude. lol. Kespa mechanics are NOT better universally. I saw plenty of things that they did wrong or moments when macro slipped. How can you argue that Parting was out micro'd when HE had the harder job to do? Defending those drops and the pressure at the front is harder for the Protoss than the Terran. Drg won because Jangbi was not experienced enough and had nothing to do with superior mechanics on either side although Jangbi made at least 3 bad mechanical errors, I can easily attribute those to a lack of experience since he started SC2 last. Nestea just looked BAD and has been rolled by multiple good and bad Terran players lately so that is not an example of BW mechanics winning. Fantasy's play looked very good with his dropship harass, but he had excess minerals on hand and that strategy hasnt worked against Zerg like that in ages. As for ManZenith vs Flash.. Flash picked a clever build and San decided he could win that without getting Storm which he couldnt, so between the good and the bad San got rolled. I've read some funny things in my time here... Yes kespa mechanics are better universally. It's really not possible for anyone to argue that. What esf players have to their advantage is build orders, timings, how to execute an attack etc. They have experience on their side, not raw hand speed. Wow ignorance at its worst. It is nice to know that literally every BW player has better mechanics than EVERYONE else. So ignorant. It is very possible to argue that but not with someone who has already made up their mind, so I am done here.
Players like DRG, MVP, Nestea, etc switched to SC2 because they didn't have the mechanics for BW. The guys still playing BW obviously did and do.
It's not a slight on any of the ESF players to say that Kespa players just have more talent mechanically when SC2 is a less mechanical game than BW. It evens the playing field, but it's pretty obvious that Kespa players have a higher skill ceiling in general.
Nobody is saying it's an absolute black and white shut case though. Obviously some Kespa players will flounder in SC2 and not be able to "get it". But it's also obvious that many of the SC2 pros who dropped BW several years ago are as good as they are because of the experience in BW. It's only logical to think the current BW pros will have just as much success in their own transition.
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On August 29 2012 05:50 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 05:44 rysecake wrote:On August 29 2012 05:41 mrtomjones wrote:
Oh god dude. lol. Kespa mechanics are NOT better universally. I saw plenty of things that they did wrong or moments when macro slipped. How can you argue that Parting was out micro'd when HE had the harder job to do? Defending those drops and the pressure at the front is harder for the Protoss than the Terran. Drg won because Jangbi was not experienced enough and had nothing to do with superior mechanics on either side although Jangbi made at least 3 bad mechanical errors, I can easily attribute those to a lack of experience since he started SC2 last. Nestea just looked BAD and has been rolled by multiple good and bad Terran players lately so that is not an example of BW mechanics winning. Fantasy's play looked very good with his dropship harass, but he had excess minerals on hand and that strategy hasnt worked against Zerg like that in ages. As for ManZenith vs Flash.. Flash picked a clever build and San decided he could win that without getting Storm which he couldnt, so between the good and the bad San got rolled. I've read some funny things in my time here... Yes kespa mechanics are better universally. It's really not possible for anyone to argue that. What esf players have to their advantage is build orders, timings, how to execute an attack etc. They have experience on their side, not raw hand speed. Fantasy reach 2k minerals because of his amazing mechanic, sure.
Sharp observation. Indeed, as a terran, you never should bank minerals until u have 4 mining bases. It shows Fantasy still has a lot of room to improve.
But the game with neatea the game itself was horrible. Nestea plays like a random plat/diamond player on KR ladder. So it makes fantasy's play not so impressive. But the marine micro is excellent and the early marine engagement timing is perfect which impress me a lot.
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On August 29 2012 01:45 Milkis wrote:
Flash is god tier in BW cause of his game sense, not because of his mechanics or whatever. players like Baby has always had fantastic mechanics and multitasking, while Flash is someone who just knows what you're doing and will destroy you cause he knows way too well what's going on in the game. Obviously it's going to take time for him to be impressive in a new game, and he even mentions that in an interview about how he needs a year or two to be god tier.
Saying stuff like "THIS IS EVIDENCE SC1 SKILLS DONT TRANSLATE IMMEDIATELY TO SC2" is pretty silly really. Give it time instead of being like "Oh he's nothing special" ~_~;
I agree. I also think that we need to stop bothering to speculate about anything. Let's see how this plays out for a few months, then we can draw conclusions rather than this stupid speculation. The speculation (while it still annoyed the shit out of me) made much more sense when BW was still going strong. Now that BW is officially done, there is no need to speculate. Let the shit play out.
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mmmm, not quite.
DRG straight up outclassed Jangbi. Had little to do with knowledge of the game. Jangbi goofed and lost a lot to a few lings getting into his base and DRG ran wild with this advantage and Jangbi was never coming back from there. He couldn't even creep out and get his 3rd, while DRG was laying down his 5th. Even mechanically, I'd argue DRG was equal or greater in that match.
Nestea has just been awful in the mu lately and opening pool first combined with allowing just 4 marines to deal staggering damage set him behind all game. Fantasy had some impressive multitasking but nothing extraordinarily groundbreaking I'd say. We've seen better from Taeja and MMA's glory days.
I just think you're flat out overrating Baby. Now, I don't know PvT as well since I don't play either race, but it seemed like Baby was a tad too aggressive that game. He got in and dealt some good damage, but he also lost his share of units while he was doing it. Parting never took the bait either, and Baby was never allowed to get up the ramp with his main force. Parting essentially defended most of the game and was even ahead in economy after all the harass and then just killed him with a superior force.
Flash won straight-up with superior macro. Although...iirc San didn't have storm for some reason. Meh, think Flash could've still won frankly.
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On August 29 2012 06:49 vesicular wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 05:45 mrtomjones wrote:On August 29 2012 05:44 rysecake wrote:On August 29 2012 05:41 mrtomjones wrote:
Oh god dude. lol. Kespa mechanics are NOT better universally. I saw plenty of things that they did wrong or moments when macro slipped. How can you argue that Parting was out micro'd when HE had the harder job to do? Defending those drops and the pressure at the front is harder for the Protoss than the Terran. Drg won because Jangbi was not experienced enough and had nothing to do with superior mechanics on either side although Jangbi made at least 3 bad mechanical errors, I can easily attribute those to a lack of experience since he started SC2 last. Nestea just looked BAD and has been rolled by multiple good and bad Terran players lately so that is not an example of BW mechanics winning. Fantasy's play looked very good with his dropship harass, but he had excess minerals on hand and that strategy hasnt worked against Zerg like that in ages. As for ManZenith vs Flash.. Flash picked a clever build and San decided he could win that without getting Storm which he couldnt, so between the good and the bad San got rolled. I've read some funny things in my time here... Yes kespa mechanics are better universally. It's really not possible for anyone to argue that. What esf players have to their advantage is build orders, timings, how to execute an attack etc. They have experience on their side, not raw hand speed. Wow ignorance at its worst. It is nice to know that literally every BW player has better mechanics than EVERYONE else. So ignorant. It is very possible to argue that but not with someone who has already made up their mind, so I am done here. Players like DRG, MVP, Nestea, etc switched to SC2 because they didn't have the mechanics for BW. The guys still playing BW obviously did and do. It's not a slight on any of the ESF players to say that Kespa players just have more talent mechanically when SC2 is a less mechanical game than BW. It evens the playing field, but it's pretty obvious that Kespa players have a higher skill ceiling in general. Nobody is saying it's an absolute black and white shut case though. Obviously some Kespa players will flounder in SC2 and not be able to "get it". But it's also obvious that many of the SC2 pros who dropped BW several years ago are as good as they are because of the experience in BW. It's only logical to think the current BW pros will have just as much success in their own transition.
DRG was a little boy when he joined CJ Entus.
He really didn't develop much as a pro-gamer until later on.
Saying that he doesn't have the mechanics of BW players when he's known to consistently shoot past 600APM is ridiculous.
There is no difference between KeSPA and current top eSF players besides game experience.
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On August 29 2012 06:53 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 06:49 vesicular wrote:On August 29 2012 05:45 mrtomjones wrote:On August 29 2012 05:44 rysecake wrote:On August 29 2012 05:41 mrtomjones wrote:
Oh god dude. lol. Kespa mechanics are NOT better universally. I saw plenty of things that they did wrong or moments when macro slipped. How can you argue that Parting was out micro'd when HE had the harder job to do? Defending those drops and the pressure at the front is harder for the Protoss than the Terran. Drg won because Jangbi was not experienced enough and had nothing to do with superior mechanics on either side although Jangbi made at least 3 bad mechanical errors, I can easily attribute those to a lack of experience since he started SC2 last. Nestea just looked BAD and has been rolled by multiple good and bad Terran players lately so that is not an example of BW mechanics winning. Fantasy's play looked very good with his dropship harass, but he had excess minerals on hand and that strategy hasnt worked against Zerg like that in ages. As for ManZenith vs Flash.. Flash picked a clever build and San decided he could win that without getting Storm which he couldnt, so between the good and the bad San got rolled. I've read some funny things in my time here... Yes kespa mechanics are better universally. It's really not possible for anyone to argue that. What esf players have to their advantage is build orders, timings, how to execute an attack etc. They have experience on their side, not raw hand speed. Wow ignorance at its worst. It is nice to know that literally every BW player has better mechanics than EVERYONE else. So ignorant. It is very possible to argue that but not with someone who has already made up their mind, so I am done here. Players like DRG, MVP, Nestea, etc switched to SC2 because they didn't have the mechanics for BW. The guys still playing BW obviously did and do. It's not a slight on any of the ESF players to say that Kespa players just have more talent mechanically when SC2 is a less mechanical game than BW. It evens the playing field, but it's pretty obvious that Kespa players have a higher skill ceiling in general. Nobody is saying it's an absolute black and white shut case though. Obviously some Kespa players will flounder in SC2 and not be able to "get it". But it's also obvious that many of the SC2 pros who dropped BW several years ago are as good as they are because of the experience in BW. It's only logical to think the current BW pros will have just as much success in their own transition. DRG was a little boy when he joined CJ Entus. He really didn't develop much as a pro-gamer until later on. Saying that he doesn't have the mechanics of BW players when he's known to consistently shoot past 600APM is ridiculous. There is no difference between KeSPA and current top eSF players besides game experience.
APM is not mechanics. And if you want to remove DRG from the equation fine, but then you may as well add into it MC, MMA, etc. There are countless examples of players who switched early because they did not have success in BW.
I'm also not sure age much matters. BaBy is one of the youngest progamers ever and most consider him a mechanical monster.
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On August 29 2012 06:47 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 06:02 Andr3 wrote:On August 29 2012 05:49 rysecake wrote:On August 29 2012 05:45 mrtomjones wrote:On August 29 2012 05:44 rysecake wrote:On August 29 2012 05:41 mrtomjones wrote:
Oh god dude. lol. Kespa mechanics are NOT better universally. I saw plenty of things that they did wrong or moments when macro slipped. How can you argue that Parting was out micro'd when HE had the harder job to do? Defending those drops and the pressure at the front is harder for the Protoss than the Terran. Drg won because Jangbi was not experienced enough and had nothing to do with superior mechanics on either side although Jangbi made at least 3 bad mechanical errors, I can easily attribute those to a lack of experience since he started SC2 last. Nestea just looked BAD and has been rolled by multiple good and bad Terran players lately so that is not an example of BW mechanics winning. Fantasy's play looked very good with his dropship harass, but he had excess minerals on hand and that strategy hasnt worked against Zerg like that in ages. As for ManZenith vs Flash.. Flash picked a clever build and San decided he could win that without getting Storm which he couldnt, so between the good and the bad San got rolled. I've read some funny things in my time here... Yes kespa mechanics are better universally. It's really not possible for anyone to argue that. What esf players have to their advantage is build orders, timings, how to execute an attack etc. They have experience on their side, not raw hand speed. Wow ignorance at its worst. It is nice to know that literally every BW player has better mechanics than EVERYONE else. So ignorant. It is very possible to argue that but not with someone who has already made up their mind, so I am done here. It's not ignorance, it's truth. You remember mvp in his prime? You remember those mechanics? You seem to forget nestea, drg, and parting are all ex bw players. Remember flash's interview saying nestea was a genius in bw, but he just didn't have the mechanics to execute his brilliance? So the argument is a-team mechanics > b-team mechanics? Yes I think this one is pretty obvious. I'm not saying kespa > gsl players. I'm saying kespa mechanics > gsl mechanics. Plus from your post history it seems pretty blatant you're a hardcore esf fan. Who's talking about bias now? And before you go ahead and call me a bw fanboy, I entered the starcraft scene with sc2. Generally yes, kespa mechanics > esf. And MVP in his prime didn't have insane mechanics as you said, MVP never was a mechanical player...he's super smart and just wins like Nestea. They both arren't that fast, MVP maxes at like 180-190 eapm. But on the other hand you got players like DRG,Hero,Taeja,Supernova who all got 200+ eapm - getting even to 220-230. Mechanics don't even matter all that much, in the recent IEM games Yongwha had an average of ~210 eapm every game and he lost to those pesky EU zergs who have like 170-180. MVP had around ~150-170. Fantasy showed some great multitasking but I think what was more important is that Nestea was having a hard time defending all that. apm =/= mechanics. Mvp's actions have always been more clean than the majority of sc2 pros. Didn't drg peak at like 600 apm in a game? I remember seeing a screenshot of that. Tell me all of that is useful apm lol
Not that I'm arguing that eapm = mechanics, but both jaedong and bisu who are arguably in the faster range of broodwar players have 240ish eapm. Drg and losira regularly get 230+ at least on the mlg replays that are released 
And that 630ish apm was in blizzard time so it was 870ish real time apm.
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GOM (Top 10) Allstars vs KeSPA (Top 10) Allstars needs to happen ASAP
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flash won without a single drop , just with pure macro in a front fight AGAINST PROTOSS WITH 3 COLLOSS
and he won
this IS amazing
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From the OSL games this far I don't think you can really say anything. Most of the games were dominated by mistakes of the losing players, not incredible play of the winning one. Also there was no game which went to the later stages. Fantasy's micro was certainly impressive but the way Nestea was defending was just bad.
Maybe in a few months with some more data we can really draw conclusions.
And saying PartinG was outclasses is quite strange to me. BaBy was trying to pressure him with drops but did almost no damage at all while PartinG split up his army very good and proceeded to win the game quite easily.
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On August 29 2012 01:30 Twinkle Toes wrote:
4. Flash is nothing special. I will not speculate what is happening to him since I
That's where you are wrong.
The special thing about flash is his determination. Losses don't really encourage him (although he might not really know how to lose anymore^^), he will just train even more. If he goes to SC2 with the same mentality, I don't see any other possibility than him owning.
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Well they are 2-2 so far, we'll see in the rest of the groups but I think it will still favor esf over kespa players.
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Holy shnikes fantasy's micro vs Nestea was insane. Reminded me of Boxer vs Chojja on 815 way back in the day.
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I think it´s too early to draw any conclusion regarding the Kespaa vs eSF debate because the population isn´t statistically relevant. You can´t base valid conclusions out of a population of 4 games and even if you also consider the WCS matches and GSL-Kespa cross matches the population is still to small.
In order to draw valid conclusions you need a lot games. A small populations doesn´t prove anything because it´s basically impossible to exclude the option of randomness. And even if you have a big population, there´s still a chance that your conclusion is wrong. If you ask 4 kids about what they think about smoking because you want to study kids behaviour regarding smoking for a study, your study doesn´t prove anything. It´s the same when you talk about 4 or even 100 games. The concept behind that is simple. You ask 4 kids(or watch games) and draw a conclusion but at the same time their 1000000 other kids(or 10000000 games yet to be played) which might lead to another, different conclusion.
So I order to figure out how far ahead or behind Kespa players are, we just have to wait and see until their are more games to judge.
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I think these are good and unbiased arguments.
Hmm... I think SC1 players have great mechanics because of the nature of SC1, being good at that game demanded more mechanically. Plus, it's a fact that many players have observed that BW teams just practice more and have a stricter regimen. I think if that remains to be the case and if they know SC2 enough to be able to implement a more systematic practice routine for the players then the SC1 playes will overtake the GSL players. I think Hyun and ForGG are bad examples of Kespa players' skill transference simply because they moved to SC2 teams with less strict and less rigid practice environments.
Still though, to say that Flash is nothing special, please qualify it by saying "right now" or "at SC2". Lol. It makes BW fans like me feel the need to get a little defensive. Haha! But, Flash is the best ever in BW because of his work ethic which built up his fundamentals such as his non-stop macro and impeccable game sense. Flash has said himself that he spent so much time THINKING about the ins and outs of BW. If he applies that to SC2, I don't think we'll necessary see things like MMA-style or (now Fantasy-style) drops, etc. We'll see a player who macros really hard, has good micro in big engagements and a player who reacts well to different situations. I think Flash has the potential (in SC2) to be somewhat of a player who is similar to Taeja in terms of playstyle. Nothing real fancy but everything extremely solid. It was his being extremely solid which won him so many championships in BW, it also made some people (not me) criticize him as a boring player.
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On August 29 2012 05:49 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 05:45 mrtomjones wrote:On August 29 2012 05:44 rysecake wrote:On August 29 2012 05:41 mrtomjones wrote:
Oh god dude. lol. Kespa mechanics are NOT better universally. I saw plenty of things that they did wrong or moments when macro slipped. How can you argue that Parting was out micro'd when HE had the harder job to do? Defending those drops and the pressure at the front is harder for the Protoss than the Terran. Drg won because Jangbi was not experienced enough and had nothing to do with superior mechanics on either side although Jangbi made at least 3 bad mechanical errors, I can easily attribute those to a lack of experience since he started SC2 last. Nestea just looked BAD and has been rolled by multiple good and bad Terran players lately so that is not an example of BW mechanics winning. Fantasy's play looked very good with his dropship harass, but he had excess minerals on hand and that strategy hasnt worked against Zerg like that in ages. As for ManZenith vs Flash.. Flash picked a clever build and San decided he could win that without getting Storm which he couldnt, so between the good and the bad San got rolled. I've read some funny things in my time here... Yes kespa mechanics are better universally. It's really not possible for anyone to argue that. What esf players have to their advantage is build orders, timings, how to execute an attack etc. They have experience on their side, not raw hand speed. Wow ignorance at its worst. It is nice to know that literally every BW player has better mechanics than EVERYONE else. So ignorant. It is very possible to argue that but not with someone who has already made up their mind, so I am done here. It's not ignorance, it's truth. You remember mvp in his prime? You remember those mechanics? You seem to forget nestea, drg, and parting are all ex bw players. Remember flash's interview saying nestea was a genius in bw, but he just didn't have the mechanics to execute his brilliance? So the argument is a-team mechanics > b-team mechanics? Yes I think this one is pretty obvious. I'm not saying kespa > gsl players. I'm saying kespa mechanics > gsl mechanics. Plus from your post history it seems pretty blatant you're a hardcore esf fan. Who's talking about bias now? And before you go ahead and call me a bw fanboy, I entered the starcraft scene with sc2.
Its another game dude.
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On August 29 2012 06:53 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 06:49 vesicular wrote:On August 29 2012 05:45 mrtomjones wrote:On August 29 2012 05:44 rysecake wrote:On August 29 2012 05:41 mrtomjones wrote:
Oh god dude. lol. Kespa mechanics are NOT better universally. I saw plenty of things that they did wrong or moments when macro slipped. How can you argue that Parting was out micro'd when HE had the harder job to do? Defending those drops and the pressure at the front is harder for the Protoss than the Terran. Drg won because Jangbi was not experienced enough and had nothing to do with superior mechanics on either side although Jangbi made at least 3 bad mechanical errors, I can easily attribute those to a lack of experience since he started SC2 last. Nestea just looked BAD and has been rolled by multiple good and bad Terran players lately so that is not an example of BW mechanics winning. Fantasy's play looked very good with his dropship harass, but he had excess minerals on hand and that strategy hasnt worked against Zerg like that in ages. As for ManZenith vs Flash.. Flash picked a clever build and San decided he could win that without getting Storm which he couldnt, so between the good and the bad San got rolled. I've read some funny things in my time here... Yes kespa mechanics are better universally. It's really not possible for anyone to argue that. What esf players have to their advantage is build orders, timings, how to execute an attack etc. They have experience on their side, not raw hand speed. Wow ignorance at its worst. It is nice to know that literally every BW player has better mechanics than EVERYONE else. So ignorant. It is very possible to argue that but not with someone who has already made up their mind, so I am done here. Players like DRG, MVP, Nestea, etc switched to SC2 because they didn't have the mechanics for BW. The guys still playing BW obviously did and do. It's not a slight on any of the ESF players to say that Kespa players just have more talent mechanically when SC2 is a less mechanical game than BW. It evens the playing field, but it's pretty obvious that Kespa players have a higher skill ceiling in general. Nobody is saying it's an absolute black and white shut case though. Obviously some Kespa players will flounder in SC2 and not be able to "get it". But it's also obvious that many of the SC2 pros who dropped BW several years ago are as good as they are because of the experience in BW. It's only logical to think the current BW pros will have just as much success in their own transition. DRG was a little boy when he joined CJ Entus. He really didn't develop much as a pro-gamer until later on. Saying that he doesn't have the mechanics of BW players when he's known to consistently shoot past 600APM is ridiculous. There is no difference between KeSPA and current top eSF players besides game experience.
But how much of that 600 apm is actually useful? Flash wasn't exactly the fastest player but his actions counted when it mattered.
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