EPTAnd that's exactly what Flash is all about. He is not known for micro or macro, but rather his spectacular overall strategy which traps the other player to his own will.
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
And that's exactly what Flash is all about. He is not known for micro or macro, but rather his spectacular overall strategy which traps the other player to his own will. | ||
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Jmanthedragonguy
Canada1202 Posts
On August 29 2012 01:30 Twinkle Toes wrote: 1, Fuck micro and multitask. The rumors are true, in terms of micro and multitask, indeed sc1 >>> sc2 players.. Nestea and even Parting where simply outclassed in these areas. Parting won, but only because he had the good sense to see what Ty was doing and and the right reaction to it. Fantasy's marine micro might be the best I've seen, better than MMA even, and those drop harass + macro is impeccable. 2. Kespa players are not ahead, not yet. It is safe to say that GSL players still have a very slight advantage. I will not speculate whether it will hold or Kespa will take over. Both have an equal chance to improve at this point, so let's see how they adjust. 3. Experience counts. DRG and Parting won by sheer force of slyness and knowledge of the game. 4. Flash is nothing special. I will not speculate what is happening to him since I 1. Yeahm gotta agree with you on that one. But their are exceptions. In an interview even the Kespa players admit they are impressed by MKP's micro, so top tier players should still be comparable imo. 2. I agree. A the moment i would way that the kespa players have a higher chance to advance. Afterwards it'll the be GSL player's turn to catch up, and they will hopefully be able to learn from the kespa players. A higher skillcap all around  3. Yep 4. For the most part I agree. Even in the proleague games Flash hasn't really shined. (I found his game vs Bisu moderately impressive tho.) Nonetheless I expect great things from Flash, although i doubt he'll reprive his godlyness unfortunately. | ||
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ffrozenfish
820 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On August 29 2012 13:17 jellyjello wrote: LOL at ppl not impressed with Flash. That was one of the most dominating Terran plays vs turtle Protoss. Flash mind-gamed the fuck out of San, and in the end San had the look of "what the fuck, I just got owned" face. And that's exactly what Flash is all about. He is not known for micro or macro, but rather his spectacular overall strategy which traps the other player to his own will. To be fair, Flash is known for having probably the best macro on the planet. | ||
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Ragnar1
Australia88 Posts
He played very similar to how he does in BW, aggressive expansions and applying enough pressure to San to not allow him to be equally as greedy. Also his ghost transition timing was fantastic, he was getting his ghost energy even before the first engagement where he looked to trade armies. As soon as that happens 5 or 6 ghosts come straight out. | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
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Cink
United States93 Posts
Edit: never mind found the twitch channel. | ||
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Jacmert
Canada1709 Posts
On August 29 2012 01:34 AngryMag wrote: My conclusion would be that you cannot draw conclusion from such a small sample of games. We should wait for a year or so of competition until we start to evaluate. Let's just wait and see what happens.... Umm, a year is an eternity when it comes to SC2. Two to three months is already a lot of time, even for the metagame. I think you and I would agree that it could take roughly a year before we see the Kespa players up around peak form, but it's possible that the Kespa players pull ahead of the GSL players within a month or two. Or, we could see the Kespa players plateau or even fall, relative to the GSL players. Both possibilities are worth looking out for in the next 1-2 months and would be interesting developments. | ||
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
On August 29 2012 12:06 BackSideAttack wrote: I'm actually hoping that they do take over somewhat, so that foreigners stop getting seeds just for being foreigners. You should have to earn your seed, just like in the old days with idra, nony, and ret. Hrmm... Another reference to Idra. Idra was GIVEN the seed. | ||
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
On August 29 2012 01:46 Natespank wrote: There are no lessons to be learned in this thread. Further, it isn't even a finished OP, it ends with: "4. Flash is nothing special. I will not speculate what is happening to him since I" It's like saying that my reply here should be titled "What we have learned from Dr" and leave it at that. Same here, I don't see what there is to discuss. | ||
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6BiT
513 Posts
A big part of Boxer's job at SKT1 is to develop Fantasy into an sc2 champion. The current crop of kespa players won't dominate sc2, they will for sure add more competition. The time when its going to get really exciting further down the line when they are playing in finals against the best esf / foreign players when each side has a decent amount of vods to analyse and time to prepare for their opponents. That's gonna be epic. | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On August 29 2012 01:40 massivez wrote: To soon to jump onto conclusions. But anyway, 1. Fantasy's micro in protecting his marines + sniping banelings was impressive. 2. To me some are on the same level already (Roro, Effort, Jaedong, Fantasy, By.sun, CJhero), but they lack some general gamesense sometimes. 3. Flash didn't impress me that much either, he seems like macro hard and try to overpower the opponent with pure macro. Didn't see any harass. But ill give him some time, he is a practice beast. Um yeah, that is Flash's normal playstyle. He was never a multitasker or harasser or, he was a strategic macro player. | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2333 Posts
On August 29 2012 13:36 GolemMadness wrote: To be fair, Flash is known for having probably the best macro on the planet. Anyone that thinks Flash is/was all about strategy is retarded. His mechanics are right up there with the best. If anyone actually watched BW you'd know all Flash ever did was 14cc every game when he was dominating. The guy just had insane control/macro which allowed him to get away with it every single game. This, coupled with his amazing game sense is why he was God. Edit: Wow what is with all the people saying Flash didn't harass or multitask. There were plenty of games where he dissects players attacking them all over the map. Even Jaedong couldn't keep up 1/2 the time. He just didn't do it every game... | ||
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Aelonius
Netherlands432 Posts
But right now every KeSPA player is highly overestimated and overly hyped. It's a different game, let's see what happens. | ||
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sinigang
360 Posts
On August 29 2012 14:04 Jacmert wrote: Umm, a year is an eternity when it comes to SC2. Two to three months is already a lot of time, even for the metagame. I think you and I would agree that it could take roughly a year before we see the Kespa players up around peak form, but it's possible that the Kespa players pull ahead of the GSL players within a month or two. Or, we could see the Kespa players plateau or even fall, relative to the GSL players. Both possibilities are worth looking out for in the next 1-2 months and would be interesting developments. C'mon, be less neutral in your comments | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On August 29 2012 01:30 Twinkle Toes wrote: The rumors are true, in terms of micro and multitask, indeed sc1 >>> sc2 players.. Nestea and even Parting where simply outclassed in these areas. Yeah, Nestea didn't play SC:BW. Oh wait... he did, so check your facts next time. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
 its FLASH dude, come on | ||
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Noruxas
Netherlands129 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On August 29 2012 15:19 darkness wrote: Yeah, Nestea didn't play SC:BW. Oh wait... he did, so check your facts next time. He hasn't played since 2009 and he was pretty bad. Not really the same thing as someone like Fantasy. | ||
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