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On August 24 2012 11:54 Sc2Null wrote:
I don't think people realize the best players in sc2 are far superior than the BW transfers..and will be for a long time. You also must remember the lack of english casting for the OSL which is limited to doa (lol) so in the long run. Gom will be fine, its kespa that will suffer.
For WCS Korea you saw a SMALL sample size of BW transfers and they knocked some shit out of the GOM pros. Doesn't even matter if the win it all or not, sometimes that is just up to the luck of the draw. Btw because I'm going to keep thinking that KESPA will win. I hope they snipe tasteless and artosis when they do win. I also hope they do what GOM was and reach out to the foreign scene.
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On August 24 2012 11:54 Sc2Null wrote:
I don't think people realize the best players in sc2 are far superior than the BW transfers..and will be for a long time. You also must remember the lack of english casting for the OSL which is limited to doa (lol) so in the long run. Gom will be fine, its kespa that will suffer.
Uhmmm... I think you're exaggerating a bit in that first line. The current top SC2 players are not miles and miles ahead of the KeSPA pros. The playing field might even out a tad sooner than you anticipate.
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I wake up to find out that this thread has become another SC2 vs BW bullshit.
Hey BW fanboys, this isn't about which game is better,
or which set of player is better.
This is just KeSPA assholery laid out bare in front of you.
We have a previous instance of the same assholery.
We know how far this douchebags will go to monopolize eSports in Korea.
Why are you pretending this isn't politics and some other excuse?
I'll just leave this quote here, props to those who know where it's from
You wanna play blind man, go walk with the sheperd, but me, my eyes are wide fuckin' open
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Well I guess those 2-3k people that watch sayle's bw stream can continue watching OSL. There's no way that KeSPA is going to get fan support outside of Korea by pulling this crap, and from what I've read of summaries there is some initial backlash in Korea as well. I'd love to see the bully get their due, and I think I'm not alone.
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On August 24 2012 12:11 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 12:05 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 12:04 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:00 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 11:52 Xiphos wrote:that's because they are looking toward the future of esport. a sport or game for that matter is public property that belongs to the mass. But then later we all learned that esport(s) are just fads. Precisely, in fact it's disingenuous to actually use the term ESPORTS if it isn't public property. Are you guys seriously saying the Starcraft (and SC2 as well?) are public domain? I thought that would be indefensible outside of Korea... Nope we are saying it is no ESPORTS since it is not public domain.On August 24 2012 12:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On August 24 2012 11:50 artosismermaid wrote:
I hope some players quit their kespa teams and move to the federation teams, pretty funny how this deal was negotiated to have no team transfers for a year. I bet kespa spearheaded that move to further screw gom over Not necessarily. The traditional BW teams also have more money. While this deal does prevent the GOM-affiliated teams from reaching out to potentially disaffected BW players, it also prevents a big, rich BW team from buying up players. Imagine if a team like KHAN, which IIRC has struggled in SC2, made offers to Creator, Hack, Maru, Vampire, Shine, Life, Yoda, Sniper and AcE. They could offer higher wages to those players, snapping up emerging talent, hurting the SC2 teams which can't compete financially while at the same time hurting their own younger practice players. Khan is not struggling with SC2. If that the bar is set that high, is there any game that would be ESport? I can't imagine a company spending the time, money, and effort to develop a popular game and then forfeit their right's on the work to put it in public domain.
Because ESPORT is essentially a made up term to hang with real sports, a real sport last throughout the ages and beyond that while esport can be destroyed at essentially any time.
Now you have to realize that many people bought the game and own that product. Its like you buying something from Ikea and then Ikea still have rights for it. But what Blizzard, broken down to fundamentals was to let you 'borrow' that service instead of actually owning it once for all.
And that is why esport is considered such a joke to the mainstream sans S.Korea. The whole scene is invented for the sake of the product's 'rental fee'.
On August 24 2012 12:16 nokz88 wrote:I wake up to find out that this thread has become another SC2 vs BW bullshit. Hey BW fanboys, this isn't about which game is better, or which set of player is better.This is just KeSPA assholery laid out bare in front of you. I'll just leave this quote here, props to those who know where it's from Show nested quote +You wanna play blind man, go walk with the sheperd, but me, my eyes are wide fuckin' open
Ummm, the OP is talking about segregation of players from the pespective sides so logically discussion of them will be summoned. I think that your eyes should be more to these important things and don't let rage get the better of it.
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On August 24 2012 12:11 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 12:05 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 12:04 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:00 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 11:52 Xiphos wrote:that's because they are looking toward the future of esport. a sport or game for that matter is public property that belongs to the mass. But then later we all learned that esport(s) are just fads. Precisely, in fact it's disingenuous to actually use the term ESPORTS if it isn't public property. Are you guys seriously saying the Starcraft (and SC2 as well?) are public domain? I thought that would be indefensible outside of Korea... Nope we are saying it is no ESPORTS since it is not public domain.On August 24 2012 12:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On August 24 2012 11:50 artosismermaid wrote:
I hope some players quit their kespa teams and move to the federation teams, pretty funny how this deal was negotiated to have no team transfers for a year. I bet kespa spearheaded that move to further screw gom over Not necessarily. The traditional BW teams also have more money. While this deal does prevent the GOM-affiliated teams from reaching out to potentially disaffected BW players, it also prevents a big, rich BW team from buying up players. Imagine if a team like KHAN, which IIRC has struggled in SC2, made offers to Creator, Hack, Maru, Vampire, Shine, Life, Yoda, Sniper and AcE. They could offer higher wages to those players, snapping up emerging talent, hurting the SC2 teams which can't compete financially while at the same time hurting their own younger practice players. Khan is not struggling with SC2. If that the bar is set that high, is there any game that would be ESport? I can't imagine a company spending the time, money, and effort to develop a popular game and then forfeit their right's on the work to put it in public domain.
Hmm. That sounds just like LoL lol
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On August 24 2012 12:23 jidolboy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 12:11 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:05 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 12:04 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:00 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 11:52 Xiphos wrote:that's because they are looking toward the future of esport. a sport or game for that matter is public property that belongs to the mass. But then later we all learned that esport(s) are just fads. Precisely, in fact it's disingenuous to actually use the term ESPORTS if it isn't public property. Are you guys seriously saying the Starcraft (and SC2 as well?) are public domain? I thought that would be indefensible outside of Korea... Nope we are saying it is no ESPORTS since it is not public domain.On August 24 2012 12:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On August 24 2012 11:50 artosismermaid wrote:
I hope some players quit their kespa teams and move to the federation teams, pretty funny how this deal was negotiated to have no team transfers for a year. I bet kespa spearheaded that move to further screw gom over Not necessarily. The traditional BW teams also have more money. While this deal does prevent the GOM-affiliated teams from reaching out to potentially disaffected BW players, it also prevents a big, rich BW team from buying up players. Imagine if a team like KHAN, which IIRC has struggled in SC2, made offers to Creator, Hack, Maru, Vampire, Shine, Life, Yoda, Sniper and AcE. They could offer higher wages to those players, snapping up emerging talent, hurting the SC2 teams which can't compete financially while at the same time hurting their own younger practice players. Khan is not struggling with SC2. If that the bar is set that high, is there any game that would be ESport? I can't imagine a company spending the time, money, and effort to develop a popular game and then forfeit their right's on the work to put it in public domain. Hmm. That sounds just like LoL lol
I'm pretty sure Riot still holds all the copyrights to League of Legends...
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On August 24 2012 12:19 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 12:11 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:05 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 12:04 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:00 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 11:52 Xiphos wrote:that's because they are looking toward the future of esport. a sport or game for that matter is public property that belongs to the mass. But then later we all learned that esport(s) are just fads. Precisely, in fact it's disingenuous to actually use the term ESPORTS if it isn't public property. Are you guys seriously saying the Starcraft (and SC2 as well?) are public domain? I thought that would be indefensible outside of Korea... Nope we are saying it is no ESPORTS since it is not public domain.On August 24 2012 12:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On August 24 2012 11:50 artosismermaid wrote:
I hope some players quit their kespa teams and move to the federation teams, pretty funny how this deal was negotiated to have no team transfers for a year. I bet kespa spearheaded that move to further screw gom over Not necessarily. The traditional BW teams also have more money. While this deal does prevent the GOM-affiliated teams from reaching out to potentially disaffected BW players, it also prevents a big, rich BW team from buying up players. Imagine if a team like KHAN, which IIRC has struggled in SC2, made offers to Creator, Hack, Maru, Vampire, Shine, Life, Yoda, Sniper and AcE. They could offer higher wages to those players, snapping up emerging talent, hurting the SC2 teams which can't compete financially while at the same time hurting their own younger practice players. Khan is not struggling with SC2. If that the bar is set that high, is there any game that would be ESport? I can't imagine a company spending the time, money, and effort to develop a popular game and then forfeit their right's on the work to put it in public domain. Because ESPORT is essentially a made up term to hang with real sports, a real sport last throughout the ages and beyond that while esport can be destroyed at essentially any time. Now you have to realize that many people bought the game and own that product. Its like you buying something from Ikea and then Ikea still have rights for it. But what Blizzard, broken down to fundamentals was to let you 'borrow' that service instead of actually owning it once for all. And that is why esport is considered such a joke to the mainstream sans S.Korea. The whole scene is invented for the sake of the product's 'rental fee'. Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 12:16 nokz88 wrote:I wake up to find out that this thread has become another SC2 vs BW bullshit. Hey BW fanboys, this isn't about which game is better, or which set of player is better.This is just KeSPA assholery laid out bare in front of you. I'll just leave this quote here, props to those who know where it's from You wanna play blind man, go walk with the sheperd, but me, my eyes are wide fuckin' open Ummm, the OP is talking about segregation of players from the pespective sides so logically discussion of them will be summoned. I think that your eyes should be more to these important things and don't let rage get the better of it.
LOL. You think that people view E Sports as a joke because it is "invented and players don't actually own the product"? That is pretty damn ridiculous dude. People quite simply don't accept that video games are a way to make a living and believe that they are only played by lazy unsuccessful people and sadly that hasn't changed yet despite games getting more public support.
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On August 24 2012 12:25 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 12:23 jidolboy wrote:On August 24 2012 12:11 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:05 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 12:04 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:00 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 11:52 Xiphos wrote:that's because they are looking toward the future of esport. a sport or game for that matter is public property that belongs to the mass. But then later we all learned that esport(s) are just fads. Precisely, in fact it's disingenuous to actually use the term ESPORTS if it isn't public property. Are you guys seriously saying the Starcraft (and SC2 as well?) are public domain? I thought that would be indefensible outside of Korea... Nope we are saying it is no ESPORTS since it is not public domain.On August 24 2012 12:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On August 24 2012 11:50 artosismermaid wrote:
I hope some players quit their kespa teams and move to the federation teams, pretty funny how this deal was negotiated to have no team transfers for a year. I bet kespa spearheaded that move to further screw gom over Not necessarily. The traditional BW teams also have more money. While this deal does prevent the GOM-affiliated teams from reaching out to potentially disaffected BW players, it also prevents a big, rich BW team from buying up players. Imagine if a team like KHAN, which IIRC has struggled in SC2, made offers to Creator, Hack, Maru, Vampire, Shine, Life, Yoda, Sniper and AcE. They could offer higher wages to those players, snapping up emerging talent, hurting the SC2 teams which can't compete financially while at the same time hurting their own younger practice players. Khan is not struggling with SC2. If that the bar is set that high, is there any game that would be ESport? I can't imagine a company spending the time, money, and effort to develop a popular game and then forfeit their right's on the work to put it in public domain. Hmm. That sounds just like LoL lol I'm pretty sure Riot still holds all the copyrights to League of Legends...
They probably do but they dont go apeshit and ask for commision or other fees when trying to host tournies
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On August 24 2012 12:16 nokz88 wrote:I wake up to find out that this thread has become another SC2 vs BW bullshit. Hey BW fanboys, this isn't about which game is better, or which set of player is better. This is just KeSPA assholery laid out bare in front of you. We have a previous instance of the same assholery. We know how far this douchebags will go to monopolize eSports in Korea. Why are you pretending this isn't politics and some other excuse? I'll just leave this quote here, props to those who know where it's from Show nested quote +You wanna play blind man, go walk with the sheperd, but me, my eyes are wide fuckin' open
You might want to take the advice of your own quote. 
I've seen quite a lot of bullshit in this thread and you certainly aren't helping.
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On August 24 2012 12:27 jidolboy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 12:25 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:23 jidolboy wrote:On August 24 2012 12:11 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:05 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 12:04 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:00 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 11:52 Xiphos wrote:that's because they are looking toward the future of esport. a sport or game for that matter is public property that belongs to the mass. But then later we all learned that esport(s) are just fads. Precisely, in fact it's disingenuous to actually use the term ESPORTS if it isn't public property. Are you guys seriously saying the Starcraft (and SC2 as well?) are public domain? I thought that would be indefensible outside of Korea... Nope we are saying it is no ESPORTS since it is not public domain.On August 24 2012 12:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On August 24 2012 11:50 artosismermaid wrote:
I hope some players quit their kespa teams and move to the federation teams, pretty funny how this deal was negotiated to have no team transfers for a year. I bet kespa spearheaded that move to further screw gom over Not necessarily. The traditional BW teams also have more money. While this deal does prevent the GOM-affiliated teams from reaching out to potentially disaffected BW players, it also prevents a big, rich BW team from buying up players. Imagine if a team like KHAN, which IIRC has struggled in SC2, made offers to Creator, Hack, Maru, Vampire, Shine, Life, Yoda, Sniper and AcE. They could offer higher wages to those players, snapping up emerging talent, hurting the SC2 teams which can't compete financially while at the same time hurting their own younger practice players. Khan is not struggling with SC2. If that the bar is set that high, is there any game that would be ESport? I can't imagine a company spending the time, money, and effort to develop a popular game and then forfeit their right's on the work to put it in public domain. Hmm. That sounds just like LoL lol I'm pretty sure Riot still holds all the copyrights to League of Legends... They probably do but they dont go apeshit and ask for commision or other fees when trying to host tournies
Are you talking about Blizz or Kespa? (There was a link in the last page or so that showed Kespa demanding fees from GOM)
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On August 24 2012 12:25 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 12:19 Xiphos wrote:On August 24 2012 12:11 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:05 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 12:04 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:00 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 11:52 Xiphos wrote:that's because they are looking toward the future of esport. a sport or game for that matter is public property that belongs to the mass. But then later we all learned that esport(s) are just fads. Precisely, in fact it's disingenuous to actually use the term ESPORTS if it isn't public property. Are you guys seriously saying the Starcraft (and SC2 as well?) are public domain? I thought that would be indefensible outside of Korea... Nope we are saying it is no ESPORTS since it is not public domain.On August 24 2012 12:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On August 24 2012 11:50 artosismermaid wrote:
I hope some players quit their kespa teams and move to the federation teams, pretty funny how this deal was negotiated to have no team transfers for a year. I bet kespa spearheaded that move to further screw gom over Not necessarily. The traditional BW teams also have more money. While this deal does prevent the GOM-affiliated teams from reaching out to potentially disaffected BW players, it also prevents a big, rich BW team from buying up players. Imagine if a team like KHAN, which IIRC has struggled in SC2, made offers to Creator, Hack, Maru, Vampire, Shine, Life, Yoda, Sniper and AcE. They could offer higher wages to those players, snapping up emerging talent, hurting the SC2 teams which can't compete financially while at the same time hurting their own younger practice players. Khan is not struggling with SC2. If that the bar is set that high, is there any game that would be ESport? I can't imagine a company spending the time, money, and effort to develop a popular game and then forfeit their right's on the work to put it in public domain. Because ESPORT is essentially a made up term to hang with real sports, a real sport last throughout the ages and beyond that while esport can be destroyed at essentially any time. Now you have to realize that many people bought the game and own that product. Its like you buying something from Ikea and then Ikea still have rights for it. But what Blizzard, broken down to fundamentals was to let you 'borrow' that service instead of actually owning it once for all. And that is why esport is considered such a joke to the mainstream sans S.Korea. The whole scene is invented for the sake of the product's 'rental fee'. On August 24 2012 12:16 nokz88 wrote:I wake up to find out that this thread has become another SC2 vs BW bullshit. Hey BW fanboys, this isn't about which game is better, or which set of player is better.This is just KeSPA assholery laid out bare in front of you. I'll just leave this quote here, props to those who know where it's from You wanna play blind man, go walk with the sheperd, but me, my eyes are wide fuckin' open Ummm, the OP is talking about segregation of players from the pespective sides so logically discussion of them will be summoned. I think that your eyes should be more to these important things and don't let rage get the better of it. LOL. You think that people view E Sports as a joke because it is "invented and players don't actually own the product"? That is pretty damn ridiculous dude. People quite simply don't accept that video games are a way to make a living and believe that they are only played by lazy unsuccessful people and sadly that hasn't changed yet despite games getting more public support.
With the skillset your learned from other field, say computer science or being a businessmen, you can live with those skills throughout the rest of your life. Or even an athletes can coach someone else after retirement, become a teacher or etc. But what can you do with 'esport'? You play the game for like what a decade? And then you want to coach the game for a living and/or commentate it but OH NOES you can't! Because your game is being forced out by corporate.
Yeah ponder about that clearly for couple of minutes.
On August 24 2012 12:29 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 12:27 jidolboy wrote:On August 24 2012 12:25 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:23 jidolboy wrote:On August 24 2012 12:11 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:05 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 12:04 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:00 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 11:52 Xiphos wrote:that's because they are looking toward the future of esport. a sport or game for that matter is public property that belongs to the mass. But then later we all learned that esport(s) are just fads. Precisely, in fact it's disingenuous to actually use the term ESPORTS if it isn't public property. Are you guys seriously saying the Starcraft (and SC2 as well?) are public domain? I thought that would be indefensible outside of Korea... Nope we are saying it is no ESPORTS since it is not public domain.On August 24 2012 12:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On August 24 2012 11:50 artosismermaid wrote:
I hope some players quit their kespa teams and move to the federation teams, pretty funny how this deal was negotiated to have no team transfers for a year. I bet kespa spearheaded that move to further screw gom over Not necessarily. The traditional BW teams also have more money. While this deal does prevent the GOM-affiliated teams from reaching out to potentially disaffected BW players, it also prevents a big, rich BW team from buying up players. Imagine if a team like KHAN, which IIRC has struggled in SC2, made offers to Creator, Hack, Maru, Vampire, Shine, Life, Yoda, Sniper and AcE. They could offer higher wages to those players, snapping up emerging talent, hurting the SC2 teams which can't compete financially while at the same time hurting their own younger practice players. Khan is not struggling with SC2. If that the bar is set that high, is there any game that would be ESport? I can't imagine a company spending the time, money, and effort to develop a popular game and then forfeit their right's on the work to put it in public domain. Hmm. That sounds just like LoL lol I'm pretty sure Riot still holds all the copyrights to League of Legends... They probably do but they dont go apeshit and ask for commision or other fees when trying to host tournies Are you talking about Blizz or Kespa? (There was a link in the last page or so that showed Kespa demanding fees from GOM)
He is talking about Riot games.
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On August 24 2012 12:29 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 12:27 jidolboy wrote:On August 24 2012 12:25 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:23 jidolboy wrote:On August 24 2012 12:11 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:05 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 12:04 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:00 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 11:52 Xiphos wrote:that's because they are looking toward the future of esport. a sport or game for that matter is public property that belongs to the mass. But then later we all learned that esport(s) are just fads. Precisely, in fact it's disingenuous to actually use the term ESPORTS if it isn't public property. Are you guys seriously saying the Starcraft (and SC2 as well?) are public domain? I thought that would be indefensible outside of Korea... Nope we are saying it is no ESPORTS since it is not public domain.On August 24 2012 12:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On August 24 2012 11:50 artosismermaid wrote:
I hope some players quit their kespa teams and move to the federation teams, pretty funny how this deal was negotiated to have no team transfers for a year. I bet kespa spearheaded that move to further screw gom over Not necessarily. The traditional BW teams also have more money. While this deal does prevent the GOM-affiliated teams from reaching out to potentially disaffected BW players, it also prevents a big, rich BW team from buying up players. Imagine if a team like KHAN, which IIRC has struggled in SC2, made offers to Creator, Hack, Maru, Vampire, Shine, Life, Yoda, Sniper and AcE. They could offer higher wages to those players, snapping up emerging talent, hurting the SC2 teams which can't compete financially while at the same time hurting their own younger practice players. Khan is not struggling with SC2. If that the bar is set that high, is there any game that would be ESport? I can't imagine a company spending the time, money, and effort to develop a popular game and then forfeit their right's on the work to put it in public domain. Hmm. That sounds just like LoL lol I'm pretty sure Riot still holds all the copyrights to League of Legends... They probably do but they dont go apeshit and ask for commision or other fees when trying to host tournies Are you talking about Blizz or Kespa? (There was a link in the last page or so that showed Kespa demanding fees from GOM)
Well. I wasn't implying on any of them o.o
All I wanted to say was that Riot has no problem with other people using their game because that's exactly what they want.
People have no problem broadcasting, playing and etc with LoL
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On August 24 2012 12:29 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 12:27 jidolboy wrote:On August 24 2012 12:25 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:23 jidolboy wrote:On August 24 2012 12:11 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:05 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 12:04 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:00 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 11:52 Xiphos wrote:that's because they are looking toward the future of esport. a sport or game for that matter is public property that belongs to the mass. But then later we all learned that esport(s) are just fads. Precisely, in fact it's disingenuous to actually use the term ESPORTS if it isn't public property. Are you guys seriously saying the Starcraft (and SC2 as well?) are public domain? I thought that would be indefensible outside of Korea... Nope we are saying it is no ESPORTS since it is not public domain.On August 24 2012 12:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On August 24 2012 11:50 artosismermaid wrote:
I hope some players quit their kespa teams and move to the federation teams, pretty funny how this deal was negotiated to have no team transfers for a year. I bet kespa spearheaded that move to further screw gom over Not necessarily. The traditional BW teams also have more money. While this deal does prevent the GOM-affiliated teams from reaching out to potentially disaffected BW players, it also prevents a big, rich BW team from buying up players. Imagine if a team like KHAN, which IIRC has struggled in SC2, made offers to Creator, Hack, Maru, Vampire, Shine, Life, Yoda, Sniper and AcE. They could offer higher wages to those players, snapping up emerging talent, hurting the SC2 teams which can't compete financially while at the same time hurting their own younger practice players. Khan is not struggling with SC2. If that the bar is set that high, is there any game that would be ESport? I can't imagine a company spending the time, money, and effort to develop a popular game and then forfeit their right's on the work to put it in public domain. Hmm. That sounds just like LoL lol I'm pretty sure Riot still holds all the copyrights to League of Legends... They probably do but they dont go apeshit and ask for commision or other fees when trying to host tournies Are you talking about Blizz or Kespa? (There was a link in the last page or so that showed Kespa demanding fees from GOM)
Riot.
learn 2 read~~
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On August 24 2012 12:19 Xiphos wrote:
Because ESPORT is essentially a made up term to hang with real sports, a real sport last throughout the ages and beyond that while esport can be destroyed at essentially any time.
Seriously? Whether or not something is a sport has nothing to do with time or relevance. There are a bunch of "Traditional" sports no one knows about because no one cares about them. Does the fact that no one knows or cares about them make them not a sport? No, it does not.
Sport is a sport is a sport, whether it be gaming, traditional, or whatever the fuck you want.
The mentality that statement is drawn around is exactly the sterotype that esports is trying to destroy. A sport doesn't rely on people being there for it to actually BE a sport. A sport does rely on people being there to make money YES. Money being there or not doesn't make it not a sport.
If starcraft stopped being played seriously and no one around the world played it except for 2 people in some log cabin on top of some mountain on mars somewhere they can still have sportsmanship, be good sports, or bad sports, and they can compete in the sport of their choosing and one of them will come out despite the horrible shape they are in.
1 400 lb. fat guy running a foot ball toward the end zone with another 400 lb. fat guy running after him is a sport.
Would people watch that seriously? No. (maybe idk people are weird sometimes) Why? Because 1 guy bested another guy in some way shape or form be it running faster, clicking faster, jumping higher, batting harder, or what the fuck you ever want ever.
TL;DR: eSports will never be destroyed no matter how many people stop watching. BW is still a sport despite it "dying" in the sense that no more "real" competitions will be played. Sports never die, sometimes people just stop caring, and that's perfectly fine and sensible.
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On August 24 2012 11:33 mongmong wrote:
back in brood war kespa claimed that they had the rights to broadcast broodwar (which really isnt since all the copyrights
are entitled to blizz),
You don't think the intellectual property created during a game of Starcraft might belong to the players (whose rights you're otherwise trying to defend) who put so much skill into creating them?
so kespa asked gom tv (gom classic back then) to pay fees if gom wanted to host a league to which
gom refused (btw gom already had permission from blizzard). Kespa all of a sudden pulled all the players from the league
so gom had no choice but to call it quits.
Good, if they wanted to set up a competing business but poach KeSPA's players because they didn't have their own talent, and still refused to pay a license, then it's their own fault they fell apart.
theyre just repeating what they did a few years ago cuz they wanna take the control
btw due to scheduling reasons blah blah is all bullshit cuz all of the kespa players managed to participate in 4 leagues at
the time. i dunno what the "big project" theyre working on is, but nice excuse from kespa.
You don't know this. For all we know, they really just haven't worked out scheduling yet. It's a measly two seasons of GSL. And if you recall, they didn't successfully participate in 4 leagues at one time. That's why they stopped playing GOM classics. Additionally, how does it actually hurt GOM this time around? e-sports federation players are still playing in the GSL, what's the big deal?
One more thing is that some people seem to think that kespa players are getting paid, yeah star players like
jaedong and flash (aka TBLS) do get paid a lot, but the majority of players are getting such a low salary. It would be
better for them to participate in gsl so that they can at least earn some money (i think qualifying for code a grants you $300
right??)
That's not how being in a team works. "Can you help Jaedong practice for his next match?"
"Sorry coach, I have to practice for GSL qualifiers."
"But Jaedong isn't even going to GSL qualifiers, and he has a much better shot than you. What about tomorrow, can you help Jaedong practice then?"
"Sorry coach, qualifiers are tomorrow."
That guy would be off the team instantly.
People need hobbies besides getting mad at random things, and you'd think Starcraft would be just such a hobby.
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On August 24 2012 12:35 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 12:29 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:27 jidolboy wrote:On August 24 2012 12:25 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:23 jidolboy wrote:On August 24 2012 12:11 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:05 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 12:04 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:00 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 11:52 Xiphos wrote:
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that's because they are looking toward the future of esport.
a sport or game for that matter is public property that belongs to the mass.
But then later we all learned that esport(s) are just fads. Precisely, in fact it's disingenuous to actually use the term ESPORTS if it isn't public property. Are you guys seriously saying the Starcraft (and SC2 as well?) are public domain? I thought that would be indefensible outside of Korea... Nope we are saying it is no ESPORTS since it is not public domain.On August 24 2012 12:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On August 24 2012 11:50 artosismermaid wrote:
I hope some players quit their kespa teams and move to the federation teams, pretty funny how this deal was negotiated to have no team transfers for a year. I bet kespa spearheaded that move to further screw gom over Not necessarily. The traditional BW teams also have more money. While this deal does prevent the GOM-affiliated teams from reaching out to potentially disaffected BW players, it also prevents a big, rich BW team from buying up players. Imagine if a team like KHAN, which IIRC has struggled in SC2, made offers to Creator, Hack, Maru, Vampire, Shine, Life, Yoda, Sniper and AcE. They could offer higher wages to those players, snapping up emerging talent, hurting the SC2 teams which can't compete financially while at the same time hurting their own younger practice players. Khan is not struggling with SC2. If that the bar is set that high, is there any game that would be ESport? I can't imagine a company spending the time, money, and effort to develop a popular game and then forfeit their right's on the work to put it in public domain. Hmm. That sounds just like LoL lol I'm pretty sure Riot still holds all the copyrights to League of Legends... They probably do but they dont go apeshit and ask for commision or other fees when trying to host tournies Are you talking about Blizz or Kespa? (There was a link in the last page or so that showed Kespa demanding fees from GOM) Riot. learn 2 read~~
When someone says
They probably do but they dont go apeshit and ask for commision or other fees when trying to host tournies
I thought it implied that someone did go apeshit... why else would he make that point -_-;;
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On August 24 2012 12:39 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 12:35 rasers wrote:On August 24 2012 12:29 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:27 jidolboy wrote:On August 24 2012 12:25 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:23 jidolboy wrote:On August 24 2012 12:11 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:05 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 12:04 SarcasmMonster wrote:On August 24 2012 12:00 ShadeR wrote:
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Precisely, in fact it's disingenuous to actually use the term ESPORTS if it isn't public property. Are you guys seriously saying the Starcraft (and SC2 as well?) are public domain? I thought that would be indefensible outside of Korea... Nope we are saying it is no ESPORTS since it is not public domain.On August 24 2012 12:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On August 24 2012 11:50 artosismermaid wrote:
I hope some players quit their kespa teams and move to the federation teams, pretty funny how this deal was negotiated to have no team transfers for a year. I bet kespa spearheaded that move to further screw gom over Not necessarily. The traditional BW teams also have more money. While this deal does prevent the GOM-affiliated teams from reaching out to potentially disaffected BW players, it also prevents a big, rich BW team from buying up players. Imagine if a team like KHAN, which IIRC has struggled in SC2, made offers to Creator, Hack, Maru, Vampire, Shine, Life, Yoda, Sniper and AcE. They could offer higher wages to those players, snapping up emerging talent, hurting the SC2 teams which can't compete financially while at the same time hurting their own younger practice players. Khan is not struggling with SC2. If that the bar is set that high, is there any game that would be ESport? I can't imagine a company spending the time, money, and effort to develop a popular game and then forfeit their right's on the work to put it in public domain. Hmm. That sounds just like LoL lol I'm pretty sure Riot still holds all the copyrights to League of Legends... They probably do but they dont go apeshit and ask for commision or other fees when trying to host tournies Are you talking about Blizz or Kespa? (There was a link in the last page or so that showed Kespa demanding fees from GOM) Riot. learn 2 read~~ When someone says Show nested quote +They probably do but they dont go apeshit and ask for commision or other fees when trying to host tournies I thought it implied that someone did go apeshit... why else would he make that point -_-;;
Haha. Sorry. Must have been my wording. That was one of examples I could think on top of my head. <3
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On August 24 2012 12:37 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 11:33 mongmong wrote:
back in brood war kespa claimed that they had the rights to broadcast broodwar (which really isnt since all the copyrights
are entitled to blizz), You don't think the intellectual property created during a game of Starcraft might belong to the players (whose rights you're otherwise trying to defend) who put so much skill into creating them?
I think you are seriously misunderstanding what intellectual property is.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property: "Intellectual property (IP) is any creative work or invention considered to be the property of its creator. Often, intellectual property rights are recognized and protected under the corresponding fields of law.[1] Under intellectual property law, owners are granted certain exclusive rights, such as the ability to publish to various markets, license the manufacture and distribution of inventions, and sue in case of unlawful or deceptive copying."
Basically, Blizzard invented and created Starcraft, so the intellectual property belongs to them.
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On August 24 2012 11:54 Sc2Null wrote:
I don't think people realize the best players in sc2 are far superior than the BW transfers..and will be for a long time. You also must remember the lack of english casting for the OSL which is limited to doa (lol) so in the long run. Gom will be fine, its kespa that will suffer.
I think I need new glasses O_O
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