On August 24 2012 13:06 LighT. wrote: let's look at the sponsors for the Kespa Korean teams which makes up the federation that makes the final call: CJ Entus SKT1 Telecom KT Rolster Woojin STX Samsung Khan Air Force Ace Team 8.
Of this list; few things stand out. Air Force Ace first of all, is a team that is to be discounted in future events as they're impeding any future recruits bringing a halt to their esport history.
So now..7 teams. Of the 7 teams, Team 8 does NOT have a sponsor, and run purely by kespa
So now, we're looking at 6 teams.
CJ Entus, KT, SKT1 Telecom, are phone companies (much like Verizon in US, Telus in Canada), in which their focus in business is national across Korea rather than intentional. It would be illogical for them because expanding overseas would mean little to their entire aspect of sponsoring the team which is to advertise the brand name of their phone companies. This ALSO hapepns to be where the giants of BW players stand: aka bisu, fantasy, flash, Leta, effort. They have quite the stronghold.
Woongjin just happens to be a bank firm. Like the telecom companies. Do they care about intentional recognition? No. because there's little beneficialness out of it. Their best interest is to let the product and their firm known in Korea, and could care less about the US.
STX Korea - Trading Company for creating Ships, trade and banking. Samsung - Electronic Manufacturing Company.
These are 2 teams which are intentionally based. Aka. They WANT sponsorship and and their name value raised. Most likely these teams want to venture more intentionally to make their product known and Samsung has especially let its voice heard in its eagerness for intentional relations having hosted League of Legends tournaments. If anyone's pushing the movement of Kespa towards the intentional,sponsor wise, it's these two teams.
As you can see, the final weight is rather large with an overwhelming amount of companies that only should care about national interest outnumbering those sponsors who would push for intentional interest. It's the interest of such why they're reluctant.
...
We've heard the coaches interviews with Coach Lee, January etc. and their views. We've heard interviews from Kespa players on their perspective as well. Of course, as gamers and people with passion of the game, they want to go outside of Korea, and grow the e-sports scene, play in GSL, play in MLG, Dreamhack, IPL etc. The coaches and the players are the last people to blame. Sadly, the politics doesn't work that way. under obligated contracts players have to do what they're told.
Kespa won't adjust that easy. They will eventually play in the GSL. That will happen, perhaps not this season, maybe not the next but in a few. Why?? 1) Fan pressure + uproar + to appease 2) In the interest of business (GomTV does have a korean audience after all)
The big announcement they have planned? Most likely some national tournament to gain further exposure nationally within Korea because that's the sponsor's interest.
I almost wonder what the conversations are like amongst the representatives of each sponsor at meetings heh.
TL:DR; The coaches and players may have the passion and desire to play the game and expand esports; but the goal of Kespa is not of esports, I feel but nationally advertising their product which would not create an increase in stock, advertising overseas. Aka, they don't care about esports.
Just my two cents.
CJ is not a telecom company. CJ is an entertainment company and actually is the company that owns OGN.
Other than that, I think the best way to get Kespa to bend is through Team 8. If you offer up a major company willing to sponsor that team in return for certain conditions, then Kespa will consider.
The thing is...Kespa will never really care about e-sports at heart. Thats what people are failing to realize. That's why they're hated in Korea, and everywhere on this forums. Teams like KT an SKT will pursue national expansion, Samsung and STX would likely pursue international expansion. Rifts will likely create and the organization is in for a mess. I can ultimately see a powerful company like Samsung disbanding from the organziation and running its own thing, as they are starting to in all honesty, but Kespa wont budge. It's really not about Kespa wanting to create e-sports or killing it. It's about greed, money and interest and in their minds, its not intentional for a lot of teams.
And yes, my mistake on CJ, however, they are still seeking national attention than intentional and I think that's the key argument.
Of course they don't care about 'E-sports' at heart. They're businesses. Once 'E-sports' and their bottom lines don't align, they will either bend 'E-sports' till it does, or just move onto something else.
I still think a fire sale on Kespa players is going to happen in the next year or two.
If that were the case, then EG better start saving up some funds.
On August 24 2012 13:06 LighT. wrote: let's look at the sponsors for the Kespa Korean teams which makes up the federation that makes the final call: CJ Entus SKT1 Telecom KT Rolster Woojin STX Samsung Khan Air Force Ace Team 8.
Of this list; few things stand out. Air Force Ace first of all, is a team that is to be discounted in future events as they're impeding any future recruits bringing a halt to their esport history.
So now..7 teams. Of the 7 teams, Team 8 does NOT have a sponsor, and run purely by kespa
So now, we're looking at 6 teams.
CJ Entus, KT, SKT1 Telecom, are phone companies (much like Verizon in US, Telus in Canada), in which their focus in business is national across Korea rather than intentional. It would be illogical for them because expanding overseas would mean little to their entire aspect of sponsoring the team which is to advertise the brand name of their phone companies. This ALSO hapepns to be where the giants of BW players stand: aka bisu, fantasy, flash, Leta, effort. They have quite the stronghold.
Woongjin just happens to be a bank firm. Like the telecom companies. Do they care about intentional recognition? No. because there's little beneficialness out of it. Their best interest is to let the product and their firm known in Korea, and could care less about the US.
STX Korea - Trading Company for creating Ships, trade and banking. Samsung - Electronic Manufacturing Company.
These are 2 teams which are intentionally based. Aka. They WANT sponsorship and and their name value raised. Most likely these teams want to venture more intentionally to make their product known and Samsung has especially let its voice heard in its eagerness for intentional relations having hosted League of Legends tournaments. If anyone's pushing the movement of Kespa towards the intentional,sponsor wise, it's these two teams.
As you can see, the final weight is rather large with an overwhelming amount of companies that only should care about national interest outnumbering those sponsors who would push for intentional interest. It's the interest of such why they're reluctant.
...
We've heard the coaches interviews with Coach Lee, January etc. and their views. We've heard interviews from Kespa players on their perspective as well. Of course, as gamers and people with passion of the game, they want to go outside of Korea, and grow the e-sports scene, play in GSL, play in MLG, Dreamhack, IPL etc. The coaches and the players are the last people to blame. Sadly, the politics doesn't work that way. under obligated contracts players have to do what they're told.
Kespa won't adjust that easy. They will eventually play in the GSL. That will happen, perhaps not this season, maybe not the next but in a few. Why?? 1) Fan pressure + uproar + to appease 2) In the interest of business (GomTV does have a korean audience after all)
The big announcement they have planned? Most likely some national tournament to gain further exposure nationally within Korea because that's the sponsor's interest.
I almost wonder what the conversations are like amongst the representatives of each sponsor at meetings heh.
TL:DR; The coaches and players may have the passion and desire to play the game and expand esports; but the goal of Kespa is not of esports, I feel but nationally advertising their product which would not create an increase in stock, advertising overseas. Aka, they don't care about esports.
Just my two cents.
CJ is not a telecom company. CJ is an entertainment company and actually is the company that owns OGN.
Other than that, I think the best way to get Kespa to bend is through Team 8. If you offer up a major company willing to sponsor that team in return for certain conditions, then Kespa will consider.
The thing is...Kespa will never really care about e-sports at heart. Thats what people are failing to realize. That's why they're hated in Korea, and everywhere on this forums. Teams like KT an SKT will pursue national expansion, Samsung and STX would likely pursue international expansion. Rifts will likely create and the organization is in for a mess. I can ultimately see a powerful company like Samsung disbanding from the organziation and running its own thing, as they are starting to in all honesty, but Kespa wont budge. It's really not about Kespa wanting to create e-sports or killing it. It's about greed, money and interest and in their minds, its not intentional for a lot of teams.
And yes, my mistake on CJ, however, they are still seeking national attention than intentional and I think that's the key argument.
Of course they don't care about 'E-sports' at heart. They're businesses. Once 'E-sports' and their bottom lines don't align, they will either bend 'E-sports' till it does, or just move onto something else.
I still think a fire sale on Kespa players is going to happen in the next year or two.
If that were the case, then EG better start saving up some funds.
I expect the first wave to come after this Proleague season. I already have a few players in mind who I think are going to either retire or move to a non-Kespa team.
On August 24 2012 13:06 LighT. wrote: let's look at the sponsors for the Kespa Korean teams which makes up the federation that makes the final call: CJ Entus SKT1 Telecom KT Rolster Woojin STX Samsung Khan Air Force Ace Team 8.
Of this list; few things stand out. Air Force Ace first of all, is a team that is to be discounted in future events as they're impeding any future recruits bringing a halt to their esport history.
So now..7 teams. Of the 7 teams, Team 8 does NOT have a sponsor, and run purely by kespa
So now, we're looking at 6 teams.
CJ Entus, KT, SKT1 Telecom, are phone companies (much like Verizon in US, Telus in Canada), in which their focus in business is national across Korea rather than intentional. It would be illogical for them because expanding overseas would mean little to their entire aspect of sponsoring the team which is to advertise the brand name of their phone companies. This ALSO hapepns to be where the giants of BW players stand: aka bisu, fantasy, flash, Leta, effort. They have quite the stronghold.
Woongjin just happens to be a bank firm. Like the telecom companies. Do they care about intentional recognition? No. because there's little beneficialness out of it. Their best interest is to let the product and their firm known in Korea, and could care less about the US.
STX Korea - Trading Company for creating Ships, trade and banking. Samsung - Electronic Manufacturing Company.
These are 2 teams which are intentionally based. Aka. They WANT sponsorship and and their name value raised. Most likely these teams want to venture more intentionally to make their product known and Samsung has especially let its voice heard in its eagerness for intentional relations having hosted League of Legends tournaments. If anyone's pushing the movement of Kespa towards the intentional,sponsor wise, it's these two teams.
As you can see, the final weight is rather large with an overwhelming amount of companies that only should care about national interest outnumbering those sponsors who would push for intentional interest. It's the interest of such why they're reluctant.
...
We've heard the coaches interviews with Coach Lee, January etc. and their views. We've heard interviews from Kespa players on their perspective as well. Of course, as gamers and people with passion of the game, they want to go outside of Korea, and grow the e-sports scene, play in GSL, play in MLG, Dreamhack, IPL etc. The coaches and the players are the last people to blame. Sadly, the politics doesn't work that way. under obligated contracts players have to do what they're told.
Kespa won't adjust that easy. They will eventually play in the GSL. That will happen, perhaps not this season, maybe not the next but in a few. Why?? 1) Fan pressure + uproar + to appease 2) In the interest of business (GomTV does have a korean audience after all)
The big announcement they have planned? Most likely some national tournament to gain further exposure nationally within Korea because that's the sponsor's interest.
I almost wonder what the conversations are like amongst the representatives of each sponsor at meetings heh.
TL:DR; The coaches and players may have the passion and desire to play the game and expand esports; but the goal of Kespa is not of esports, I feel but nationally advertising their product which would not create an increase in stock, advertising overseas. Aka, they don't care about esports.
Just my two cents.
CJ is not a telecom company. CJ is an entertainment company and actually is the company that owns OGN.
Other than that, I think the best way to get Kespa to bend is through Team 8. If you offer up a major company willing to sponsor that team in return for certain conditions, then Kespa will consider.
The thing is...Kespa will never really care about e-sports at heart. Thats what people are failing to realize. That's why they're hated in Korea, and everywhere on this forums. Teams like KT an SKT will pursue national expansion, Samsung and STX would likely pursue international expansion. Rifts will likely create and the organization is in for a mess. I can ultimately see a powerful company like Samsung disbanding from the organziation and running its own thing, as they are starting to in all honesty, but Kespa wont budge. It's really not about Kespa wanting to create e-sports or killing it. It's about greed, money and interest and in their minds, its not intentional for a lot of teams.
And yes, my mistake on CJ, however, they are still seeking national attention than intentional and I think that's the key argument.
Well Blizzard don't actually care about 'esport' neither.
All they want to do is satisfy their consumers to like their product. If they truly believe in the spirit of the competition, they would 1. stop patching their goddamn multiplayer segment and 2. let the players figure out the game because while my pals played starcraft 2 for the sake of competition, a lot of them argued wins because of unit being nerfed or buffed and not at all blaming for their skills, and 3. it gives incentive for the players to put their entire devotion to make breakthrough builds and strategies knowing that those won't get shafted because of the aforementioned patches.
Imagine Bisu beating sAviOr 3-0 in that MSL only for Blizzard to patch the game to nerf DTs right afterward? How would Bisu feel and how would everyone on MBCGame that helped to devise the build feel afterwards?
On August 24 2012 13:06 LighT. wrote: let's look at the sponsors for the Kespa Korean teams which makes up the federation that makes the final call: CJ Entus SKT1 Telecom KT Rolster Woojin STX Samsung Khan Air Force Ace Team 8.
Of this list; few things stand out. Air Force Ace first of all, is a team that is to be discounted in future events as they're impeding any future recruits bringing a halt to their esport history.
So now..7 teams. Of the 7 teams, Team 8 does NOT have a sponsor, and run purely by kespa
So now, we're looking at 6 teams.
CJ Entus, KT, SKT1 Telecom, are phone companies (much like Verizon in US, Telus in Canada), in which their focus in business is national across Korea rather than intentional. It would be illogical for them because expanding overseas would mean little to their entire aspect of sponsoring the team which is to advertise the brand name of their phone companies. This ALSO hapepns to be where the giants of BW players stand: aka bisu, fantasy, flash, Leta, effort. They have quite the stronghold.
Woongjin just happens to be a bank firm. Like the telecom companies. Do they care about intentional recognition? No. because there's little beneficialness out of it. Their best interest is to let the product and their firm known in Korea, and could care less about the US.
STX Korea - Trading Company for creating Ships, trade and banking. Samsung - Electronic Manufacturing Company.
These are 2 teams which are intentionally based. Aka. They WANT sponsorship and and their name value raised. Most likely these teams want to venture more intentionally to make their product known and Samsung has especially let its voice heard in its eagerness for intentional relations having hosted League of Legends tournaments. If anyone's pushing the movement of Kespa towards the intentional,sponsor wise, it's these two teams.
As you can see, the final weight is rather large with an overwhelming amount of companies that only should care about national interest outnumbering those sponsors who would push for intentional interest. It's the interest of such why they're reluctant.
...
We've heard the coaches interviews with Coach Lee, January etc. and their views. We've heard interviews from Kespa players on their perspective as well. Of course, as gamers and people with passion of the game, they want to go outside of Korea, and grow the e-sports scene, play in GSL, play in MLG, Dreamhack, IPL etc. The coaches and the players are the last people to blame. Sadly, the politics doesn't work that way. under obligated contracts players have to do what they're told.
Kespa won't adjust that easy. They will eventually play in the GSL. That will happen, perhaps not this season, maybe not the next but in a few. Why?? 1) Fan pressure + uproar + to appease 2) In the interest of business (GomTV does have a korean audience after all)
The big announcement they have planned? Most likely some national tournament to gain further exposure nationally within Korea because that's the sponsor's interest.
I almost wonder what the conversations are like amongst the representatives of each sponsor at meetings heh.
TL:DR; The coaches and players may have the passion and desire to play the game and expand esports; but the goal of Kespa is not of esports, I feel but nationally advertising their product which would not create an increase in stock, advertising overseas. Aka, they don't care about esports.
Just my two cents.
CJ is not a telecom company. CJ is an entertainment company and actually is the company that owns OGN.
Other than that, I think the best way to get Kespa to bend is through Team 8. If you offer up a major company willing to sponsor that team in return for certain conditions, then Kespa will consider.
The thing is...Kespa will never really care about e-sports at heart. Thats what people are failing to realize. That's why they're hated in Korea, and everywhere on this forums. Teams like KT an SKT will pursue national expansion, Samsung and STX would likely pursue international expansion. Rifts will likely create and the organization is in for a mess. I can ultimately see a powerful company like Samsung disbanding from the organziation and running its own thing, as they are starting to in all honesty, but Kespa wont budge. It's really not about Kespa wanting to create e-sports or killing it. It's about greed, money and interest and in their minds, its not intentional for a lot of teams.
And yes, my mistake on CJ, however, they are still seeking national attention than intentional and I think that's the key argument.
Of course they don't care about 'E-sports' at heart. They're businesses. Once 'E-sports' and their bottom lines don't align, they will either bend 'E-sports' till it does, or just move onto something else.
I still think a fire sale on Kespa players is going to happen in the next year or two.
It will, once the contracts are up. because the demographics of SC2 is more internationally based, there will be guaranteed a lot of mess happening. But ahh...you're missing the important devilish plan, which makes Kespa looks like evil geniuses (pun unintended), they just signed a contract where players cannot be moved inbetween teams for X # of time, so basically players are stuck in their position and forced to play the product kespa puts in the floor because contractually, they're designed that way. The players are trapped for a while.
Until HoTS, there wont be a true reform, and I think that's what's amazing about the next expansion. it's a new start, a new beginning in many many ways.
On August 24 2012 13:06 LighT. wrote: let's look at the sponsors for the Kespa Korean teams which makes up the federation that makes the final call: CJ Entus SKT1 Telecom KT Rolster Woojin STX Samsung Khan Air Force Ace Team 8.
Of this list; few things stand out. Air Force Ace first of all, is a team that is to be discounted in future events as they're impeding any future recruits bringing a halt to their esport history.
So now..7 teams. Of the 7 teams, Team 8 does NOT have a sponsor, and run purely by kespa
So now, we're looking at 6 teams.
CJ Entus, KT, SKT1 Telecom, are phone companies (much like Verizon in US, Telus in Canada), in which their focus in business is national across Korea rather than intentional. It would be illogical for them because expanding overseas would mean little to their entire aspect of sponsoring the team which is to advertise the brand name of their phone companies. This ALSO hapepns to be where the giants of BW players stand: aka bisu, fantasy, flash, Leta, effort. They have quite the stronghold.
Woongjin just happens to be a bank firm. Like the telecom companies. Do they care about intentional recognition? No. because there's little beneficialness out of it. Their best interest is to let the product and their firm known in Korea, and could care less about the US.
STX Korea - Trading Company for creating Ships, trade and banking. Samsung - Electronic Manufacturing Company.
These are 2 teams which are intentionally based. Aka. They WANT sponsorship and and their name value raised. Most likely these teams want to venture more intentionally to make their product known and Samsung has especially let its voice heard in its eagerness for intentional relations having hosted League of Legends tournaments. If anyone's pushing the movement of Kespa towards the intentional,sponsor wise, it's these two teams.
As you can see, the final weight is rather large with an overwhelming amount of companies that only should care about national interest outnumbering those sponsors who would push for intentional interest. It's the interest of such why they're reluctant.
...
We've heard the coaches interviews with Coach Lee, January etc. and their views. We've heard interviews from Kespa players on their perspective as well. Of course, as gamers and people with passion of the game, they want to go outside of Korea, and grow the e-sports scene, play in GSL, play in MLG, Dreamhack, IPL etc. The coaches and the players are the last people to blame. Sadly, the politics doesn't work that way. under obligated contracts players have to do what they're told.
Kespa won't adjust that easy. They will eventually play in the GSL. That will happen, perhaps not this season, maybe not the next but in a few. Why?? 1) Fan pressure + uproar + to appease 2) In the interest of business (GomTV does have a korean audience after all)
The big announcement they have planned? Most likely some national tournament to gain further exposure nationally within Korea because that's the sponsor's interest.
I almost wonder what the conversations are like amongst the representatives of each sponsor at meetings heh.
TL:DR; The coaches and players may have the passion and desire to play the game and expand esports; but the goal of Kespa is not of esports, I feel but nationally advertising their product which would not create an increase in stock, advertising overseas. Aka, they don't care about esports.
Just my two cents.
CJ is not a telecom company. CJ is an entertainment company and actually is the company that owns OGN.
Other than that, I think the best way to get Kespa to bend is through Team 8. If you offer up a major company willing to sponsor that team in return for certain conditions, then Kespa will consider.
The thing is...Kespa will never really care about e-sports at heart. Thats what people are failing to realize. That's why they're hated in Korea, and everywhere on this forums. Teams like KT an SKT will pursue national expansion, Samsung and STX would likely pursue international expansion. Rifts will likely create and the organization is in for a mess. I can ultimately see a powerful company like Samsung disbanding from the organziation and running its own thing, as they are starting to in all honesty, but Kespa wont budge. It's really not about Kespa wanting to create e-sports or killing it. It's about greed, money and interest and in their minds, its not intentional for a lot of teams.
And yes, my mistake on CJ, however, they are still seeking national attention than intentional and I think that's the key argument.
Of course they don't care about 'E-sports' at heart. They're businesses. Once 'E-sports' and their bottom lines don't align, they will either bend 'E-sports' till it does, or just move onto something else.
I still think a fire sale on Kespa players is going to happen in the next year or two.
And the alternative is any better?
Blizzard got into eSports because it is nicely packed advertisement of their games.
GOM got into eSports because they wanted a piece of the cake, which they got by siding with Blizzard.
The difference is, none of these two organizations provide the relatively stable careers and salaries KeSPA do.
although i would obviously like to see Kespa players in GSL, people should understand how business works and chill out with all of the hurting/killing esports.
esports is unique in that you are typically not creating new demand for your product. most of the consumers are going to come into it naturally or not at all. you are usually competing with your competition for market share whether it be trying to get viewers to watch you vs. GOMtv or converting LOL players or whatever.
how the f does this hurt esports from their perspective? SC2 players are irritated, and will continue to watch GSL. BW players might be mad but continue to watch Kespa stuff, or some might be happy hoping this will keep BW alive and strong. LOL, DOTA2, etc players probably don't care much. the likelihood that this affects who watches what in the near future is very small. however, this stirs up contraversy, which is in fact great for esports. it also builds anticipation for events in the future for people who want to see these guys playing GSL.
BOREDOM KILLS ESPORTS, NOT THIS!
the people really getting screwed by this are the Kespa players who are having their chance of making money in a tournament denied.
On August 24 2012 13:06 LighT. wrote: let's look at the sponsors for the Kespa Korean teams which makes up the federation that makes the final call: CJ Entus SKT1 Telecom KT Rolster Woojin STX Samsung Khan Air Force Ace Team 8.
Of this list; few things stand out. Air Force Ace first of all, is a team that is to be discounted in future events as they're impeding any future recruits bringing a halt to their esport history.
So now..7 teams. Of the 7 teams, Team 8 does NOT have a sponsor, and run purely by kespa
.
The CJ group isn't telecom. Could stand to gain from international exposure in some sectors. SK owns some brands that could use worldwide exposure. Like SK Hynix and SK C&C. Woongjin has subsidiaries Woongjin Energy and Woongjin Chemicals that are looking at the world market. Woongjin Foods might be able to do something.
So only KT has zero interest in the world market.
(I don't think CJ owns OGN though. OGN is owned by On-Media which is a subsidiary of Orion if you follow the wiki links.)
On August 24 2012 13:06 LighT. wrote: let's look at the sponsors for the Kespa Korean teams which makes up the federation that makes the final call: CJ Entus SKT1 Telecom KT Rolster Woojin STX Samsung Khan Air Force Ace Team 8.
Of this list; few things stand out. Air Force Ace first of all, is a team that is to be discounted in future events as they're impeding any future recruits bringing a halt to their esport history.
So now..7 teams. Of the 7 teams, Team 8 does NOT have a sponsor, and run purely by kespa
.
The CJ group isn't telecom. Could stand to gain from international exposure in some sectors. SK owns some brands that could use worldwide exposure. Like SK Hynix and SK C&C. Woongjin has subsidiaries Woongjin Energy and Woongjin Chemicals that are looking at the world market. Woongjin Foods might be able to do something.
So only KT has zero interest in the world market.
(I don't think CJ owns OGN though. OGN is owned by On-Media which is a subsidiary of Orion if you follow the wiki links.)
Now that's some real insight right there. But apologys again, I was thinking of Hwaseung Oz than CJ haha SK Hynix and SKC&C...interesting..
with this light of information maybe kespa maybe have a motive of being influenced to go globally after all
On August 24 2012 13:38 FidoDido wrote: so when is this statement from Blizzard coming out? it's been over 24 hrs and still no word from their announcement of an announcement.
This is what I am waiting for as well. If it takes longer, I assume there is more of an issue than they might have thought...
On August 24 2012 13:06 LighT. wrote: let's look at the sponsors for the Kespa Korean teams which makes up the federation that makes the final call: CJ Entus SKT1 Telecom KT Rolster Woojin STX Samsung Khan Air Force Ace Team 8.
Of this list; few things stand out. Air Force Ace first of all, is a team that is to be discounted in future events as they're impeding any future recruits bringing a halt to their esport history.
So now..7 teams. Of the 7 teams, Team 8 does NOT have a sponsor, and run purely by kespa
So now, we're looking at 6 teams.
CJ Entus, KT, SKT1 Telecom, are phone companies (much like Verizon in US, Telus in Canada), in which their focus in business is national across Korea rather than intentional. It would be illogical for them because expanding overseas would mean little to their entire aspect of sponsoring the team which is to advertise the brand name of their phone companies. This ALSO hapepns to be where the giants of BW players stand: aka bisu, fantasy, flash, Leta, effort. They have quite the stronghold.
Woongjin just happens to be a bank firm. Like the telecom companies. Do they care about intentional recognition? No. because there's little beneficialness out of it. Their best interest is to let the product and their firm known in Korea, and could care less about the US.
STX Korea - Trading Company for creating Ships, trade and banking. Samsung - Electronic Manufacturing Company.
These are 2 teams which are intentionally based. Aka. They WANT sponsorship and and their name value raised. Most likely these teams want to venture more intentionally to make their product known and Samsung has especially let its voice heard in its eagerness for intentional relations having hosted League of Legends tournaments. If anyone's pushing the movement of Kespa towards the intentional,sponsor wise, it's these two teams.
As you can see, the final weight is rather large with an overwhelming amount of companies that only should care about national interest outnumbering those sponsors who would push for intentional interest. It's the interest of such why they're reluctant.
...
We've heard the coaches interviews with Coach Lee, January etc. and their views. We've heard interviews from Kespa players on their perspective as well. Of course, as gamers and people with passion of the game, they want to go outside of Korea, and grow the e-sports scene, play in GSL, play in MLG, Dreamhack, IPL etc. The coaches and the players are the last people to blame. Sadly, the politics doesn't work that way. under obligated contracts players have to do what they're told.
Kespa won't adjust that easy. They will eventually play in the GSL. That will happen, perhaps not this season, maybe not the next but in a few. Why?? 1) Fan pressure + uproar + to appease 2) In the interest of business (GomTV does have a korean audience after all)
The big announcement they have planned? Most likely some national tournament to gain further exposure nationally within Korea because that's the sponsor's interest.
I almost wonder what the conversations are like amongst the representatives of each sponsor at meetings heh.
TL:DR; The coaches and players may have the passion and desire to play the game and expand esports; but the goal of Kespa is not of esports, I feel but nationally advertising their product which would not create an increase in stock, advertising overseas. Aka, they don't care about esports.
Just my two cents.
CJ is not a telecom company. CJ is an entertainment company and actually is the company that owns OGN.
Other than that, I think the best way to get Kespa to bend is through Team 8. If you offer up a major company willing to sponsor that team in return for certain conditions, then Kespa will consider.
The thing is...Kespa will never really care about e-sports at heart. Thats what people are failing to realize. That's why they're hated in Korea, and everywhere on this forums. Teams like KT an SKT will pursue national expansion, Samsung and STX would likely pursue international expansion. Rifts will likely create and the organization is in for a mess. I can ultimately see a powerful company like Samsung disbanding from the organziation and running its own thing, as they are starting to in all honesty, but Kespa wont budge. It's really not about Kespa wanting to create e-sports or killing it. It's about greed, money and interest and in their minds, its not intentional for a lot of teams.
And yes, my mistake on CJ, however, they are still seeking national attention than intentional and I think that's the key argument.
Of course they don't care about 'E-sports' at heart. They're businesses. Once 'E-sports' and their bottom lines don't align, they will either bend 'E-sports' till it does, or just move onto something else.
I still think a fire sale on Kespa players is going to happen in the next year or two.
And the alternative is any better?
Blizzard got into eSports because it is nicely packed advertisement of their games.
GOM got into eSports because they wanted a piece of the cake, which they got by siding with Blizzard.
The difference is, none of these two organizations provide the relatively stable careers and salaries KeSPA do.
I never said that Blizzard and GOM were any better. Both sides are very dirty.
It is like alien vs predator. 'Whoever wins, we lose,' we being the SC2 fans.
On August 24 2012 13:06 LighT. wrote: let's look at the sponsors for the Kespa Korean teams which makes up the federation that makes the final call: CJ Entus SKT1 Telecom KT Rolster Woojin STX Samsung Khan Air Force Ace Team 8.
Of this list; few things stand out. Air Force Ace first of all, is a team that is to be discounted in future events as they're impeding any future recruits bringing a halt to their esport history.
So now..7 teams. Of the 7 teams, Team 8 does NOT have a sponsor, and run purely by kespa
So now, we're looking at 6 teams.
CJ Entus, KT, SKT1 Telecom, are phone companies (much like Verizon in US, Telus in Canada), in which their focus in business is national across Korea rather than intentional. It would be illogical for them because expanding overseas would mean little to their entire aspect of sponsoring the team which is to advertise the brand name of their phone companies. This ALSO hapepns to be where the giants of BW players stand: aka bisu, fantasy, flash, Leta, effort. They have quite the stronghold.
Woongjin just happens to be a bank firm. Like the telecom companies. Do they care about intentional recognition? No. because there's little beneficialness out of it. Their best interest is to let the product and their firm known in Korea, and could care less about the US.
STX Korea - Trading Company for creating Ships, trade and banking. Samsung - Electronic Manufacturing Company.
These are 2 teams which are intentionally based. Aka. They WANT sponsorship and and their name value raised. Most likely these teams want to venture more intentionally to make their product known and Samsung has especially let its voice heard in its eagerness for intentional relations having hosted League of Legends tournaments. If anyone's pushing the movement of Kespa towards the intentional,sponsor wise, it's these two teams.
As you can see, the final weight is rather large with an overwhelming amount of companies that only should care about national interest outnumbering those sponsors who would push for intentional interest. It's the interest of such why they're reluctant.
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We've heard the coaches interviews with Coach Lee, January etc. and their views. We've heard interviews from Kespa players on their perspective as well. Of course, as gamers and people with passion of the game, they want to go outside of Korea, and grow the e-sports scene, play in GSL, play in MLG, Dreamhack, IPL etc. The coaches and the players are the last people to blame. Sadly, the politics doesn't work that way. under obligated contracts players have to do what they're told.
Kespa won't adjust that easy. They will eventually play in the GSL. That will happen, perhaps not this season, maybe not the next but in a few. Why?? 1) Fan pressure + uproar + to appease 2) In the interest of business (GomTV does have a korean audience after all)
The big announcement they have planned? Most likely some national tournament to gain further exposure nationally within Korea because that's the sponsor's interest.
I almost wonder what the conversations are like amongst the representatives of each sponsor at meetings heh.
TL:DR; The coaches and players may have the passion and desire to play the game and expand esports; but the goal of Kespa is not of esports, I feel but nationally advertising their product which would not create an increase in stock, advertising overseas. Aka, they don't care about esports.
Just my two cents.
CJ is not a telecom company. CJ is an entertainment company and actually is the company that owns OGN.
Other than that, I think the best way to get Kespa to bend is through Team 8. If you offer up a major company willing to sponsor that team in return for certain conditions, then Kespa will consider.
That, or Samsung. They don't want the world to be holding LG phones now, do they?
On August 24 2012 13:38 FidoDido wrote: so when is this statement from Blizzard coming out? it's been over 24 hrs and still no word from their announcement of an announcement.
On August 24 2012 13:06 LighT. wrote: let's look at the sponsors for the Kespa Korean teams which makes up the federation that makes the final call: CJ Entus SKT1 Telecom KT Rolster Woojin STX Samsung Khan Air Force Ace Team 8.
Of this list; few things stand out. Air Force Ace first of all, is a team that is to be discounted in future events as they're impeding any future recruits bringing a halt to their esport history.
So now..7 teams. Of the 7 teams, Team 8 does NOT have a sponsor, and run purely by kespa
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The CJ group isn't telecom. Could stand to gain from international exposure in some sectors. SK owns some brands that could use worldwide exposure. Like SK Hynix and SK C&C. Woongjin has subsidiaries Woongjin Energy and Woongjin Chemicals that are looking at the world market. Woongjin Foods might be able to do something.
So only KT has zero interest in the world market.
(I don't think CJ owns OGN though. OGN is owned by On-Media which is a subsidiary of Orion if you follow the wiki links.)
On August 24 2012 13:06 LighT. wrote: let's look at the sponsors for the Kespa Korean teams which makes up the federation that makes the final call: CJ Entus SKT1 Telecom KT Rolster Woojin STX Samsung Khan Air Force Ace Team 8.
Of this list; few things stand out. Air Force Ace first of all, is a team that is to be discounted in future events as they're impeding any future recruits bringing a halt to their esport history.
So now..7 teams. Of the 7 teams, Team 8 does NOT have a sponsor, and run purely by kespa
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The CJ group isn't telecom. Could stand to gain from international exposure in some sectors. SK owns some brands that could use worldwide exposure. Like SK Hynix and SK C&C. Woongjin has subsidiaries Woongjin Energy and Woongjin Chemicals that are looking at the world market. Woongjin Foods might be able to do something.
So only KT has zero interest in the world market.
(I don't think CJ owns OGN though. OGN is owned by On-Media which is a subsidiary of Orion if you follow the wiki links.)
Now that's some real insight right there. But apologys again, I was thinking of Hwaseung Oz than CJ haha SK Hynix and SKC&C...interesting..
with this light of information maybe kespa maybe have a motive of being influenced to go globally after all
KeSPA has a motive to go global, and they will.
They will do it via carefully planned exhibitions that will not interfere with their main events.
What is naive is to think is that they are somehow going to subject themselves to the model of the GOM/foreign scene. They don't have to, as their income is not tournament money. On the other hand, they do have the prestige and name recognition tournament organizers want. So it is KeSPA who get to be the choosers.
On August 24 2012 13:06 LighT. wrote: let's look at the sponsors for the Kespa Korean teams which makes up the federation that makes the final call: CJ Entus SKT1 Telecom KT Rolster Woojin STX Samsung Khan Air Force Ace Team 8.
Of this list; few things stand out. Air Force Ace first of all, is a team that is to be discounted in future events as they're impeding any future recruits bringing a halt to their esport history.
So now..7 teams. Of the 7 teams, Team 8 does NOT have a sponsor, and run purely by kespa
.
The CJ group isn't telecom. Could stand to gain from international exposure in some sectors. SK owns some brands that could use worldwide exposure. Like SK Hynix and SK C&C. Woongjin has subsidiaries Woongjin Energy and Woongjin Chemicals that are looking at the world market. Woongjin Foods might be able to do something.
So only KT has zero interest in the world market.
(I don't think CJ owns OGN though. OGN is owned by On-Media which is a subsidiary of Orion if you follow the wiki links.)
Now that's some real insight right there. But apologys again, I was thinking of Hwaseung Oz than CJ haha SK Hynix and SKC&C...interesting..
with this light of information maybe kespa maybe have a motive of being influenced to go globally after all
KeSPA has a motive to go global, and they will.
They will do it via carefully planned exhibitions that will not interfere with their main events.
What is naive is to think is that they are somehow going to subject themselves to the model of the GOM/foreign scene. They don't have to, as their income is not tournament money. On the other hand, they do have the prestige and name recognition tournament organizers want. So it is KeSPA who get to be the choosers.
That on the other hand would not go well with sponsers. The GOM/foreigner model works much better into getting exposure for the teams in the global scene. In the end I think both sides will have to do both models to a certain extent.
On August 24 2012 14:16 hunts wrote: Where is the blizzard statement supposed to be posted anyway? I'm going to assume not on the normal blizzard site, maybe on GOM or something?
I'm not sure. What I am sure of though is it will be posted on sites like TL and Reddit moments after Blizzard has given the announcement. http://www.thisisgame.com/en/ is the site where I believe we first heard of Blizzard saying this. It might be a place to keep your eyes on.
that's because they are looking toward the future of esport.
a sport or game for that matter is public property that belongs to the mass.
But then later we all learned that esport(s) are just fads.
Precisely, in fact it's disingenuous to actually use the term ESPORTS if it isn't public property.
Are you guys seriously saying the Starcraft (and SC2 as well?) are public domain? I thought that would be indefensible outside of Korea...
Nope we are saying it is no ESPORTS since it is not public domain.
On August 24 2012 12:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On August 24 2012 11:50 artosismermaid wrote: I hope some players quit their kespa teams and move to the federation teams, pretty funny how this deal was negotiated to have no team transfers for a year. I bet kespa spearheaded that move to further screw gom over
Not necessarily. The traditional BW teams also have more money. While this deal does prevent the GOM-affiliated teams from reaching out to potentially disaffected BW players, it also prevents a big, rich BW team from buying up players. Imagine if a team like KHAN, which IIRC has struggled in SC2, made offers to Creator, Hack, Maru, Vampire, Shine, Life, Yoda, Sniper and AcE. They could offer higher wages to those players, snapping up emerging talent, hurting the SC2 teams which can't compete financially while at the same time hurting their own younger practice players.
Khan is not struggling with SC2.
If that the bar is set that high, is there any game that would be ESport? I can't imagine a company spending the time, money, and effort to develop a popular game and then forfeit their right's on the work to put it in public domain.
Blizzard creates video games, not eSports.
eSports is the result of playing a game at a highly competitive level, and creating a production around it: maps, players, commentators, gaming booths, eSport stadiums, HUDs, hype videos, etc. What should be "public domain" is the ability to create eSports. This is derivative work, which the game producer does not create, and Blizzard didn't get involved in for a whole decade.
Blizzard has all the right to ask a fee for using Starcraft, but Blizzard demanding intellectual ownership of all the derivative work related to Starcraft was the original douchebag move.
Blizzard having big control on eSports is extremely dangerous. It makes eSports gravitate around the game Blizzard wants to sell, not the game that provides the better competition. They can stretch the life of Starcraft II as they see fit, or kill the game when they want to sell the next big thing. It sets everything up for planned obsolescence. It makes eSports nothing but glorified advertisement. And as I see it, a farce.
Love them or hate them, OGN, MBC and then KeSPA managed to create a scene where a game thrived way past its expected shelf life. The life of the game is no longer determined by the commercial interest of the game creator, but how well the organization can develop competition, groom talent, and provide a good product that attracts sponsors. And each organization can develop their own talent and scene.
You know, like a real sport.
Well said. Couldn't have said better. Many dont also realise that starcraft is broadcasted on national television in Korea. When you look at the investment and effort made by the trio + the impact that they had not only in Korea but globally, its just mind boggling stuff.
And according to the offical statement from KeSPA from fomos, looks like they are participating in mlg with some sort of online tourney? and the grand finals?
Maybe the whole MLG-KeSPA is what this grand project is about? interesting times.
So they boycott MLG and GSL because the players have scheduling conflicts? This seems to me like an abuse of a loop hole in their agreement with the respective corporations.
Fuck Kespa.
BTW, they must realize that at this moment the only players that have appeal are the BW stars and the BW players that showed relevant skill already. The rest? Fuck them. In GSL I care for all 32 players. I know them, I have a history with them and I also know they are all guuut.
I can't wait Mvp to own Flash. Just for the sake of it.
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