EPTNo Kespa Players in Upcoming GSL - Page 71
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Sc2Null
United States3754 Posts
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ragz_gt
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On August 24 2012 11:50 mongmong wrote: jesus christ cant believe so called brood war fans dont even know how retarded kespa is. oh by the way here is the link to kespa saying "starcraft is public goods (LOL! ) http://www.gamemeca.com/news/news_view.html?seq=15&ymd=20100531&page=1&point_ck=1&search_ym=&sort_type=&search_text=&send=&mission_num=&mission_seq= Because most BW fans never lived through their idiocies. Lucky for them, that's why they are still BW fans. I personally couldn't stomach it after they killed only BW outlet for foreigners. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On August 24 2012 11:39 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Did they break a rule? No. Did they just act completely unnecessarily to restrict the freedom of their players for no discernible reason? Yes. Players should always have final say on the tournaments they attend. And don't give me any of this players = teams teams = Kespa crap. It's incredibly clear, and has been for a while, that Kespa doesn't have the best interests of the players at heart. Especially those players who aren't already superstars. You have a severe misunderstanding of what the KeSPA organisation actually IS. | ||
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Qwyn
United States2781 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 24 2012 11:54 ragz_gt wrote: Because most BW fans never lived through their idiocies. Lucky for them, that's why they are still BW fans. I personally couldn't stomach it after they killed only BW outlet for foreigners. Spewing bullshits don't exactly support your case man. You lost all credibility at that instant. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On August 24 2012 11:26 Azriel wrote: There will be many non-kespa players participating in the upcoming OSL. There's no protecting them anymore. If I had to bet on somebody to win it though, it would be on a Kespa player however, because of their ridiculous work ethic and training regimes. It's not about protecting the players for the players' sake. It's about not losing the amazing BW fanbase and fangirls by showing them their dreamboat players sucking at the new game too much. Honestly, though, I think that phase came and went fairly quickly. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On August 24 2012 11:52 Xiphos wrote: that's because they are looking toward the future of esport. a sport or game for that matter is public property that belongs to the mass. But then later we all learned that esport(s) are just fads. Precisely, in fact it's disingenuous to actually use the term ESPORTS if it isn't public property. Imagine the owner of football stepping in and putting an end to a local tourney. LOL BLizzard and no LAN. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On August 24 2012 11:54 Sc2Null wrote: I don't think people realize the best players in sc2 are far superior than the BW transfers..and will be for a long time. You also must remember the lack of english casting for the OSL which is limited to doa (lol) so in the long run. Gom will be fine, its kespa that will suffer. Eh, really? Effort flat out outplayed DRG. By.Sun beat Curious and Leenock Roro Beat Leenock. HerO beat Puzzle. Soulkey beat Coca. These GSL players are pretty damn high up there. At the very least, it shows that Kespa players don't have a long ways to go to catchup. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On August 24 2012 11:50 artosismermaid wrote: I hope some players quit their kespa teams and move to the federation teams, pretty funny how this deal was negotiated to have no team transfers for a year. I bet kespa spearheaded that move to further screw gom over Not necessarily. The traditional BW teams also have more money. While this deal does prevent the GOM-affiliated teams from reaching out to potentially disaffected BW players, it also prevents a big, rich BW team from buying up players. Imagine if a team were struggling in SC2 and made offers to Creator, Hack, Maru, Vampire, Shine, Life, Yoda, Sniper and AcE. They could offer higher wages to those players, snapping up emerging talent, hurting the SC2 teams which can't compete financially while at the same time hurting their own younger practice players. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:00 ShadeR wrote: Precisely, in fact it's disingenuous to actually use the term ESPORTS if it isn't public property. Are you guys seriously saying the Starcraft (and SC2 as well?) are public domain? I thought that would be indefensible outside of Korea... | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:04 SarcasmMonster wrote: Are you guys seriously saying the Starcraft (and SC2 as well?) are public domain? I thought that would be indefensible outside of Korea... Nope we are saying it is no ESPORTS since it is not public domain. On August 24 2012 12:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Not necessarily. The traditional BW teams also have more money. While this deal does prevent the GOM-affiliated teams from reaching out to potentially disaffected BW players, it also prevents a big, rich BW team from buying up players. Imagine if a team like KHAN, which IIRC has struggled in SC2, made offers to Creator, Hack, Maru, Vampire, Shine, Life, Yoda, Sniper and AcE. They could offer higher wages to those players, snapping up emerging talent, hurting the SC2 teams which can't compete financially while at the same time hurting their own younger practice players. Khan is not struggling with SC2. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:01 AndAgain wrote: Eh, really? Effort flat out outplayed DRG. By.Sun beat Curious and Leenock Roro Beat Leenock. HerO beat Puzzle. Soulkey beat Coca. These GSL players are pretty damn high up there. At the very least, it shows that Kespa players don't have a long ways to go to catchup. Don't forget Jaedong beating Genius a code S finalists on the first gsl this year iirc. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 24 2012 11:54 Sc2Null wrote: I don't think people realize the best players in sc2 are far superior than the BW transfers..and will be for a long time. You also must remember the lack of english casting for the OSL which is limited to doa (lol) so in the long run. Gom will be fine, its kespa that will suffer. You know a lot of the guys came from a BW background and not the other way around right? Nestea, MC, MVP, etc. I don't know how people can still keep trying to bring that home as if it has any meaning at all. I could lambast practically any caster if I wanted, but I'm not going to. They all have their weaknesses. You might want to re-think your strategy. One other thing, the guys who put in more work at the end of the day will do just fine. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On August 24 2012 11:54 ShadeR wrote: You have a severe misunderstanding of what the KeSPA organisation actually IS. You've not addressed my point. My point is that preventing players from playing is bad. All you've offered in return is some pap about players being too immature or something to choose their own schedules, and how Kespa and the teams need to protect them from themselves. That's dumb. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:05 ShadeR wrote: Nope we are saying it is no ESPORTS since it is not public domain. Khan is not struggling with SC2. You're right. I misremembered. Also that wasn't at all the point of the post. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:06 LuckoftheIrish wrote: You've not addressed my point. My point is that preventing players from playing is bad. All you've offered in return is some pap about players being too immature or something to choose their own schedules, and how Kespa and the teams need to protect them from themselves. That's dumb. You don't want to try and understand then that's your problem not the other guys. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:06 LuckoftheIrish wrote: You've not addressed my point. My point is that preventing players from playing is bad. All you've offered in return is some pap about players being too immature or something to choose their own schedules, and how Kespa and the teams need to protect them from themselves. That's dumb. I've said so such thing. If you don't agree that teams which pay the players salaries can regulate which tourneys their players can participate in or not then there is really nothing else to say. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
I guess this thread can go for another 30 pages or more. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:05 blade55555 wrote: Don't forget Jaedong beating Genius a code S finalists on the first gsl this year iirc. In fairness, there are way, way more replays of DRG and Leenock playing SC2 than there are of By.Sun and Effort. Preparing for players whose playstyle is still a bit unknown is always hard. The BW players have much more information about their opponents. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On August 24 2012 12:05 ShadeR wrote: Nope we are saying it is no ESPORTS since it is not public domain. Khan is not struggling with SC2. If that the bar is set that high, is there any game that would be ESport? I can't imagine a company spending the time, money, and effort to develop a popular game and then forfeit their right's on the work to put it in public domain. | ||
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