EPTRandom and its place on the ladder - Page 29
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VictorJones
United States235 Posts
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On August 20 2012 12:12 BeeNu wrote: You have literally no argument for your completely wrong statement and I can also promise you I play this game more and at a higher level than you. Oh, you just want to rant and be mad instead of posting anything worth a damn. Gotcha. Looks like I might as well check out of this thread. | ||
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diddLY
United States215 Posts
It's black every time, but everyone guesses red. It's very interesting how this has worked out. I still don't know why basically no one chooses black. Edit - And as for all this unfair rabble, I think you're crazy. There is an advantage in that I fast expand in every matchup, but if you scout and expand as well we're on even terms. Then there's a higher chance of the game going to mid/late game, where a non random player should be better at anyways. | ||
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16127 Posts
On August 20 2012 12:49 jdseemoreglass wrote: The OP's argument makes no sense at all. "They choose to play random, it shouldn't affect me." When they choose to play terran, or protoss, or zerg, it all still affects you. You have to adapt your play to the matchup. Random is simply another matchup you have to adapt to. Basically the argument boils down to "I'm not comfortable in this matchup and so I'm gonna whine about it." The same way people complain about imbalance in other matchups. You can put a pylon on your natural on most maps and scout your opponent in time to decide forge or gateway. You can learn to go gateway openings against zerg. You can scout hatch first and simply go nexus or a slightly later low ground forge. Random is fine. This is a really good sum up of how I feel on the matter also. The way I see it, the majority of "anti random" arguments in this thread is just whining about another race in the same way they whine about any of the other match ups but they feel justified in their hatred because Random players are a minority. It's just whining at the end of the day. There's nothing fundamentally different about playing against someone whose race you don't know about beforehand. It just forces safer openings and earlier scouting. If you can't do that then you are not a fundamentally sound player and you're just complaining rather than adapting. That's all there is to it. | ||
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CaptainSlow
Malaysia164 Posts
But anyway, if u can play random, play random. I treat lit like a race by itself, where i play slightly more defensive and avoid FE unless im sure of what the opponent is doing. | ||
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jobber123rd
United States501 Posts
On August 20 2012 14:30 diddLY wrote: If someone asks me what race I am, I make them choose red or black. If they get it right I tell them my race. In about 1000 games played at random I've been asked what race I am in lets say 200 games. I've only had to tell my race MAYBE 10 times. It's black every time, but everyone guesses red. It's very interesting how this has worked out. I still don't know why basically no one chooses black. Clearly, they haven't seen Passenger 57. | ||
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pzea469
United States1520 Posts
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
And yeah randoms actually get all-ined as much as they all-in. It's a safer bet most of the time hehe. In lower leagues I don't get much BM that is unusual for the league. And I sort of agree with the idea that the race should show at open. I only random so I don't choose my race because I like to play them all, not to get an advantage at the start. | ||
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Zeevo
148 Posts
Players DO NOT pick random because they want to fool their opponent. They pick because they don't want to chose their race. In no way should the other player be put at an disadvantage for it. Their race should always be revealed. Its bullshit thats not addressed because no one that plays this game competitivly plays random anyway | ||
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boxman22
Canada430 Posts
I played random for around a year and topped out in plat for a couple months. I picked a race and within 2 weeks moved up to diamond and am still improving. It's really hard to play random well. I don't know why people complain. | ||
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boxman22
Canada430 Posts
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diddLY
United States215 Posts
On August 20 2012 15:09 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: I have been playing random alot lately. I have found that people tend to BM me more when I beat them as random then when I main as zerg. Also, i get all ined A FUCK TON as a rand. I see this as well. People expect it so much out of random so they do it themselves. But most arn't comfortable with it and I'm able to defend for a win. | ||
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cHaNg-sTa
United States1058 Posts
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Luoson
New Zealand153 Posts
Example I would wall off my natural with my first pylon, to ffe but if hes random, i cant do that because if hes terran or protoss i could get run over for building my gateways down my small ramp. Just because a player has selected random doesnt mean he should get a in-game gimmic advantage. A player might be really good with one race then gets it with random and gets a free advantage, what then? A game mode should not affect builds in game. I think alot of pros dont play random because you also have to say your race alot in tournaments so players can practice builds Random selecting but tells race imo | ||
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boxman22
Canada430 Posts
On August 20 2012 15:32 Luoson wrote: There is an advantage i dont agree with I play protoss Example I would wall off my natural with my first pylon, to ffe but if hes random, i cant do that because if hes terran or protoss i could get run over for building my gateways down my small ramp. Just because a player has selected random doesnt mean he should get a in-game gimmic advantage. A player might be really good with one race then gets it with random and gets a free advantage, what then? A game mode should not affect builds in game. I think alot of pros dont play random because you also have to say your race alot in tournaments so players can practice builds Random selecting but tells race imo OH NO YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER HOW TO 1 GATE OR 3 GATE EXPAND!!!! HOW TERRIBLE!!! You don't have to say your race in tournaments. The majority of tournaments accept random players. It's just not much of an advantage. You say a player might be really good with one race, well then what happens when he gets the other two? There isn't an advantage compared to how much extra time has to be put in to learn 3x the matchups... Or, to all these people who think it's unbalanced: Try it. I dare you. You'll find yourself losing way more. It's not an advantage. | ||
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Luoson
New Zealand153 Posts
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cHaNg-sTa
United States1058 Posts
On August 20 2012 15:36 boxman22 wrote: OH NO YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER HOW TO 1 GATE OR 3 GATE EXPAND!!!! HOW TERRIBLE!!! You don't have to say your race in tournaments. The majority of tournaments accept random players. It's just not much of an advantage. You say a player might be really good with one race, well then what happens when he gets the other two? There isn't an advantage compared to how much extra time has to be put in to learn 3x the matchups... Or, to all these people who think it's unbalanced: Try it. I dare you. You'll find yourself losing way more. It's not an advantage. Pretty much this. I hate it when people feel like FFE is the ONLY way to play PvZ. 3gate expand was a decent build back in the day, and it's still a pretty decent build. Most zergs nowadays are not as used to its timings compared to back then when that was the standard. Heaven forbit you remember two builds as opposed to the tons and tons of builds a Random player has to use. I bet most people's win ratio here is well above 50% against Randoms as well. | ||
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Luoson
New Zealand153 Posts
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